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[trancemonkey]

Seems that every screen shot of "Slot Tracker" shows most games in the "Red" and any that show "Green" are only just above the stated RTP of the game. Everything else is below the stated RTP.

The community stats for each game are "Red" mostly. Well down on the stated RTP. I get the impression that very few games actually have a decent return and therefore the gameplay on these slots is naturaly going to be awful.

Also like many have said, I find it damn near impossible to get even a few £'s in front of my starting balance, It does feel like you have to feed the game before it compensates the player.

Trickery i tell thee, Its trickery.

Well it isn't though is it... it's stats. The more people that play, the more likely the game is to be near the RTP. And because games need a fair few of the rarer wins to actually get up to RTP in the long run, they will always hover below.

When I do stats runs the game is ALWAYS below and increases to the target RTP over time. RTP only every varies wildly in short lumps of games.

 

[trancemonkey]

Hard as it is to believe, I know how badly I was doing on this game on Videoslots, 800 spins = no feature, this was probably the worst but numerous times I came close to that figure without a feature and the dead spins wow, which prompted me to check with Videoslots customer service but I will go back and check again with them.

Ask them for:
Total amount staked and
Total amount won

Nothing else.

I almost 100% guarantee that your figures are incorrect. What you seem to be quoting is win frequency, not RTP

 

[trancemonkey]

Poor old trancemonkey must answer this question at least once daily.
He should just be like most live chat ops and have cut and paste answers at the ready.

Good idea I will write a lengthy reply explaining it all and just use that hehe

 

[lockinlove]

Good idea I will write a lengthy reply explaining it all and just use that hehe

There is no explanation. Alot of software providers bonuses are predetermined. Im sorry if you dont agree with that and want to try and say its shoddy coding. Shoddy coding can be explained for the base game hit but not the bonus. Each spin is separate. When you have a bonus that has 25 freespins. And the result is already determined on a separate tab, as you press start on your first spin out of 25. Thats pre-determined.

And yes you may have to repeat yourself a 100 times. Believe it or not we dont follow every post thats made about this discussion. As others, we do appreciate the discussion you bring.

 

[Gonzo]

Just enden a session with this loveley and absoultley not rigged slots. The deposit was 5000sek (10sek=1euro) started playing the little brakdancing fucker Gonzo.. start betting 50 sek nothing happend the i lower ny bet 30sek. Bonus after spin. played som flowers aswell. i have pictures but i dont know how tu uppload.. anyway the lovey random slots paid like this..

Gonzobonus=30sek paid 132 sek
Flowers.45sek+retriger paid 735 sek
flowers-45 sek =1530
Flowers30sek =435
Flower30 sek=1340 sek
like scratchcard but the odds are better on scrathcard. Have nice with the 5000sek netent i hope u can bye something nice to the kids..

 

[trancemonkey]

There is no explanation. Alot of software providers bonuses are predetermined. Im sorry if you dont agree with that and want to try and say its shoddy coding. Shoddy coding can be explained for the base game hit but not the bonus. Each spin is separate. When you have a bonus that has 25 freespins. And the result is already determined on a separate tab, as you press start on your first spin out of 25. Thats pre-determined.

And yes you may have to repeat yourself a 100 times. Believe it or not we dont follow every post thats made about this discussion. As others, we do appreciate the discussion you bring.

Ive already explained (and agreed with you) that some providers do predetermine the bonus at the point it is won. I'm not disagreeing with you. What I'm saying is that all 25 spins in your example would still be randomly determined at the point the bonus is won

 

[trancemonkey]

Just enden a session with this loveley and absoultley not rigged slots. The deposit was 5000sek (10sek=1euro) started playing the little brakdancing fucker Gonzo.. start betting 50 sek nothing happend the i lower ny bet 30sek. Bonus after spin. played som flowers aswell. i have pictures but i dont know how tu uppload.. anyway the lovey random slots paid like this..

Gonzobonus=30sek paid 132 sek
Flowers.45sek+retriger paid 735 sek
flowers-45 sek =1530
Flowers30sek =435
Flower30 sek=1340 sek
like scratchcard but the odds are better on scrathcard. Have nice with the 5000sek netent i hope u can bye something nice to the kids..

I see your problem...

You played Flowers

 

[Gonzo]

Really dont know what the problem is but these netent games.. i cant just find words for it. So happy i dont know somone ho works for them in moment like this

 

[lockinlove]

I see your problem...

You played Flowers

I actually miss being able to play that slot I always had pretty good luck with it. I saw others complaining about it though so I guess it is a tough one

 

[lockinlove]

Really dont know what the problem is but these netent games.. i cant just find words for it. So happy i dont know somone ho works for them in moment like this

Look at the community stats from the slot tracker. It speaks volumes about their slots. I think they had close to a million spins..rtp 93.7% and average bonus win 23x. BAD!

But I do miss playing them still lol

 

[trancemonkey]

Really dont know what the problem is but these netent games.. i cant just find words for it. So happy i dont know somone ho works for them in moment like this

I do.. I'll pass it on

 

[Gonzo]

yes give them a flower from me

 

[Gonzo]

Look at the community stats from the slot tracker. It speaks volumes about their slots. I think they had close to a million spins..rtp 93.7% and average bonus win 23x. BAD!

But I do miss playing them still lol

Yes like scratchcard that is what i call moneymakers

 

[slot_zombie]

Are you playing EXACTLY the same games?

Not exactly but I AM sticking to mostly medium variance ones, I do not really play the "garbage paytable" mid 2016-2017 modern stuff as a rule, 80% of my play is not on those.

It's 2014-15 NetEnt (not DOA), Microgaming (not Terminator, GOT or any such dangerous stuff) and WMS.

Only exception being Rhino which I accept is a highly volatile game, but that has also turned to dust this year, and the shockingly bad HTML5 conversion finished me off on that 2 months ago.

 

[Playford7]

Just enden a session with this loveley and absoultley not rigged slots. The deposit was 5000sek (10sek=1euro) started playing the little brakdancing fucker Gonzo.. start betting 50 sek nothing happend the i lower ny bet 30sek. Bonus after spin. played som flowers aswell. i have pictures but i dont know how tu uppload.. anyway the lovey random slots paid like this..

Gonzobonus=30sek paid 132 sek
Flowers.45sek+retriger paid 735 sek
flowers-45 sek =1530
Flowers30sek =435
Flower30 sek=1340 sek
like scratchcard but the odds are better on scrathcard. Have nice with the 5000sek netent i hope u can bye something nice to the kids..

That said though you could do 100 spins on 20p, then raise to £5 and you could hit the bonus next spin.
It works both ways.
It's happened to me many times.

 

[trancemonkey]

That said though you could do 100 spins on 20p, then raise to £5 and you could hit the bonus next spin.
It works both ways.
It's happened to me many times.

Exactly...

 

[Gonzo]

That said though you could do 100 spins on 20p, then raise to £5 and you could hit the bonus next spin.
It works both ways.
It's happened to me many times.

Yes u know u are a proffesional. It is like u say

 

[Gonzo]

So what do u members here say?? Wich games is the best to highroll on? and is it better to highroll on low wariance or high.

 

[Playford7]

Yes u know u are a proffesional. It is like u say

Easy tiger, the wars over.
I'm just saying in my experience it happens both ways, we are more inclined to remember the times a raise hasn't worked than the few times it does.
And professional, well I have my moments, but I'm far from that.
Unless discussing the 'camel currency' where of course I'm like yoda.

 

[Gonzo]

Easy tiger, the wars over.
I'm just saying in my experience it happens both ways, we are more inclined to remember the times a raise hasn't worked than the few times it does.
And professional, well I have my moments, but I'm far from that.
Unless discussing the 'camel currency' where of course I'm like yoda.

So u mean just because it happend to you it is that way.. It never happend to me when i higher my bet i got the bonus after 2 spinn. I swear never never.

 

[Playford7]

So u mean just because it happend to you it is that way.. It never happend to me when i higher my bet i got the bonus after 2 spinn. I swear never never.

I didn't say that.
Anyway happy slotting

 

[Tropicana50]

Now I'm using Slot tracker to monitor each session carefully, I've found that recently, that EVERY session starts the same way -

Very low RTP for the first 100+ spins (usually around 30-40%)
After 200 spins RTP has crept up to just over 50%

Obviously by this time there's a big chunk of my balance missing.

Then for the next 200-400 spins my balance either maintains its level (+/- 20x stake), building the RTP up to a (more reasonable) level of 70-80%, before busting out. But without getting anywhere near my starting balance.

Or I get a few decent wins, taking me above my starting balance.


Whatever happens, I'm finding I need a lot of spins, before it goes one way or the other

It's like the games are following some predetermined RTP curve.

I was going to download the data from Slot tracker, for some session and use Excel to plot a graph of RTP against balance. But unfortunately the export function in Slot tracker, doesn't appear to be working properly, or I'm doing something wrong

Hey Brian,

We fixed an issue with exporting today. Things should work normally for you now! Let us know if you have any other problems.

- T

 

[trancemonkey]

So u mean just because it happend to you it is that way.. It never happend to me when i higher my bet i got the bonus after 2 spinn. I swear never never.

So here's a test. Next time you are playing, change your bet every spin. Pick one at random out of bets you're comfortable playing... record the bets you get features on. I guarantee with enough games you'll see the ratio is identical

 

[brianmon]

Hey Brian,

We fixed an issue with exporting today. Things should work normally for you now! Let us know if you have any other problems.

- T

Yep, working fine now

So just to show Trancemonkey what I was talking about earlier....

A quick session on DOA today.



(the 'bonus' is just a marker of where it occurred, not a value)


£30 starting balance - 18p spins, that is until my balance reached 16p, forcing me to change to a 9p stake - 676 spins in total - RTP 72.5%

In this case the RTP grew a little faster than normal - reaching the 50% mark after 56 spins, but didn't really settle above 50% until after 150 spins

First feature triggered after 361 spins, which is fairly normal from first opening a game.
Second feature triggered on spin 543, coincidentally, on the first spin at 9p and paid the best bonus!!!!!
Third and last feature triggered on spin 614

I'm not disputing that it's a high variance game, I'm not bothered that the RTP was only 72.5%, and I'm not bothered that the bonuses didn't pay particularly well.

But this is what's happening on just about every new session on most of the games I play, Low RTP for the first 100-200 spins, slowly building up to an 'acceptable' level
No feature for the first 300-500 spins, but eventually balancing out to an 'acceptable' level (225 average in this case)
Feature on the very first spin after lowering the stake!!!!

All Random???

 

[Playford7]

So here's a test. Next time you are playing, change your bet every spin. Pick one at random out of bets you're comfortable playing... record the bets you get features on. I guarantee with enough games you'll see the ratio is identical

I've actually had more memorable raising of bet bonus rounds or free spins than i have decreasing the bet.
I know people have there theories on it all, but in my eyes it's random.
If I didn't believe so I'd not bother playing again.
What's the sense in wasting hard earn money on something I believe to be 'rigged'
Rather spend it elsewhere if that's the train of thought I had.