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RNG F/U switch.

Discussion in 'Online Casinos' started by rouletteguy, Jul 4, 2010.

    Jul 4, 2010
  1. rouletteguy

    rouletteguy Experienced Member

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    So I did some sleuthing on this and found alot of information on "trigger event" software. This is a program that triggers a specific event based on your method of play.

    ALLEGEDLY casino's use this on table game software to make it function on the same level as a slot's RNG. A counter measure because you have some level of control (where and how you bet) Essentially it is an F/U switch triggered automatically by analyzing your playing method and causing the game to go against you.

    So..........we would need someone with alot more know how than me to explain it. I don't think it would be considered illegal either a slot isn't left up to randomness it is programmed to not pay out to frequently. Again it's one of those thing's you can't prove or disprove
     
  2. Jul 4, 2010
  3. takethemoney

    takethemoney Banned User - Chargebacks at Slotastic

    Location:
    Washington
    I believe something like this exists. How else can I explain taking probably 800 free chips on RTG and Rival software and never hitting anything. Also have never won anything on comps.
     
  4. Jul 5, 2010
  5. lost2much

    lost2much Banned User

    Occupation:
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    I'm really wondering about this due to my long and very paiful losing streak at Inetbet. It is as bad as 3Dice (maybe worse!) in the RTP area. I am placing the very minimum bets (.40-.50) per spin. No play time, no enjoyment, just deposit and lose over and over again. If there is a magic switch, I sure need to figure out how to flip it back my way. So tired of the constant beatings at Inet that I am considering leaving them. That leaves quite a chunk of cash each month to someone else. Which of you trusted casinos wants it?? Make me an offer!!
     
  6. Jul 5, 2010
  7. just play

    just play closed account

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    This is so weird! I could have wrote this post word for word.

    I don't think there is a switch...lol...but I do believe there is something in the casino programming that allows the casinos to make someone win/lose when they please. No, I don't have proof, but that is my opinion. They are programmed to have a payout %, why not have a win/lose program?

    I uninstalled a few casinos this afternoon, it's just not very fun anymore, I try with a bonus, without a bonus, bla bla bla.
     
  8. Jul 5, 2010
  9. Jasminebed

    Jasminebed Closer to 100 than Birth

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    I don't think there is one, at least not on a player by player basis anywhere I've played.

    RTGs might tighten the RTP, either across the board on or some games.

    Honestly, if there was a switch, I think I should win more than I do.

    If I thought the games were anything but random (please note that weighted or sucky does not mean not random), I'd give up playing there.
     
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  10. Jul 5, 2010
  11. AuntieIdiot

    AuntieIdiot Meister Member

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    I have noticed a few times when I'm on a good winning streak at one (RTG)casino, I also do very well on other RTGs. And the same happens when I'm on a horrible losing streak, I lose at any RTG that I might play at. This has been the case (horrible playtime) for me for the last month and half or so at RTGs. I can't hit anything at any any of them. It makes me think that if there were a switch or some win/lose programming going on, its coming straight from RTG...not just the individual casinos.

    I too have uninstalled several RTG casinos today. I haven't closed my accounts yet, but I'm sure that will happen soon enough. Deposit after deposit lasting minutes gets rather old after awhile. Oh, the good ole days, when a small deposit could get you hours or even days of playtime, and an occassional nice cashout here and there. Well, it was fun while it lasted.
     
  12. Jul 5, 2010
  13. love2winalot

    love2winalot Dormant account

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    Philippines/Visiting Las vegas
    Hiya: I do not think such a switch exist, for the following reason. There are a lot of table players who do think there is. A lot of them are a lot smarter than you or I. If they/you truely believe this to be true, then you would simply do the following.
    Bet the next to last color to hit in Roulette. You Win on streaks of the same color, and you win on the zig zag. The combination that beats you is the double zig zag. rr-bb-rr-bb-rr.

    If there was a switch, then the switch has to be set to make this double zig zag appear. You would see it at the 4th bet, "rr-bb", and adjust your bet accordingly. This make the game, 'Predictable", and thus beatable.

    I think this is more of varience, "against your betting style", that happens sometimes vs there being a switch. The only way to have a switch is in games like, War or BJ, when they could stack the deck. imhop.
     
  14. Jul 5, 2010
  15. lost2much

    lost2much Banned User

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    NorCal
    Yeah, the only switch I know of for sure, is my personal SWITCH to somewhere else if things don't get better!! I may just have to SWITCH my ass over to the Indian casino up the road, can't be any worse returns than what I'm getting online these days!
     
  16. Jul 5, 2010
  17. just play

    just play closed account

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    Not to change the subject, but just for my own knowledge...do people really win more at land casinos? (Not including comps/food/drinks/etc.)

    Aren't the odds stacked against us there too? Especially for me, being a slot player?

    If many of you say yes, I might have to take a few extra pills and venture over to Connecticut. I went to Foxwoods once and lost about $200 in 1/2hour-hour on slots. (this was about 15 years ago)
     
  18. Jul 5, 2010
  19. rouletteguy

    rouletteguy Experienced Member

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    Ontario
    Make's you wonder doesn't it. Summer is slow for online casino's hence the crazy bonuses I've been offered. So if money is tight why not tighten up the purse strings? Do the math 98% pay out leaves 2% to pay the unvarying bills.
    9 months out of the year 2% is relatively stable 3 month's it takes a face plant.you would have to pay the bills with a much smaller 2% or.........lower pay outs for 3 month's and raise them slightly for 9 month's. It's a business not a charity. If I was losing I'd lower my payout percentage.
     
  20. Jul 5, 2010
  21. love2winalot

    love2winalot Dormant account

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    Hiya: Just Play, I do not know about slots, but i do know about Roulette. There is NO difference between playing in a real casino vs playing On-Line vs playing a Roulette slot machine in a real casino vs playing a combination, ie rapid roulette in a real casino. The results are the same.
     
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  22. Jul 5, 2010
  23. Cristian

    Cristian Experienced Member

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    hypothetical = switch between different RNG`s each with a different payout percentage . Ex. 50% 75% 95% is possible ( even pseudo RNG`s ) . it can be automatic , based on global total wagered / total RTP ratio in a time interval .You can spot some " loops " , playing at some online casinos ( i won`t give any names , because i have no proof ) .
     
  24. Jul 5, 2010
  25. Casinomeister

    Casinomeister Forum Cheermeister Staff Member

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    Admin note: changed thread title...

    ...to something more accurate. :D
     
  26. Jul 5, 2010
  27. takethemoney

    takethemoney Banned User - Chargebacks at Slotastic

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    Which reminds me..........Bryan, a while back you said you were going to go test the waters at an RTG casino, since so many people have been bitching about their results, or the lack thereof lately. Did you ever do this, or is it still a work in progress? :D
     
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  28. Jul 5, 2010
  29. vinylweatherman

    vinylweatherman You type well loads CAG MM

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    Used in UK FRuit machines, usually to trigger the "streak" in games that have this sub-programme. The trigger can be amount played since last "streak", or even amount paid below mid term RTP.

    Since it is possible to "trip" this switch in UK fruit machines by certain playing methods (the most common of which is "forcing"), it seems the most common deciding input is mid term RTP.

    Unless the software is not random, there would be no equivalent in online TABLE games, nor in RANDOM video slots. Online COMPENSATED games may well have a "trigger event" programmed into the game.

    This is something UK land operators have learned can be costly. Program a "trigger event" subroutine carelessly, and players will EMPTY your machine:D
     
  30. Jul 5, 2010
  31. skiny

    skiny Banned User - violation of <a href="http://www.cas

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    I have an FU switch.....


    And an itchy trigger finger.
     
  32. Jul 5, 2010
  33. rouletteguy

    rouletteguy Experienced Member

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    Even if RTG casino's have lowered payouts for the short term (i.e. summer) it's still not illegal I don't think. pay out 95% 3 month's 98% 3 months 96.5% 6 month's still equals a 96.5 % payout for the year. And Brian could go dump 1 grand into slots and not hit or hit big 1 person has no better odds than you as an individual of winning or losing. What if he loses your gonna expect him to say RTG casino's cheat?
     
  34. Jul 5, 2010
  35. takethemoney

    takethemoney Banned User - Chargebacks at Slotastic

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    No but he might confirm what most of us seasoned RTG players have noticed.....something has drastically changed.
     

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