ATTN: Casino Rep Rizk Race is currently extremely unfair and the same player wins literally every single time.

chiya

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Perhaps kinda silly to some that I spent the time to figure it out & write this up, but I enjoy playing the Rizk Race a lot (spend most of my non-betting gambling time on it) and I just wanted to dispel the theory that they're using in-house players in case anybody else also believed it. I've contacted customer support and explained how it's done and they've forwarded it to the appropriate department. Until then, the same players are still blatantly doing it as we speak.

If this is really true then why not join the folks? Clearly Rizk-free money considering how long this has been going for. If I discovered a bug like that to ensure I win every race for thousands of euros daily then I'd be a fool to report it. If this bug is real and they fix it what do you think will happen? Probably 10 spins on Starburst for your honesty.

What's the worst that would happen? Your casino account banned. Oh no what a disaster.
 

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If this is really true then why not join the folks? Clearly Rizk-free money considering how long this has been going for. If I discovered a bug like that to ensure I win every race for thousands of euros daily then I'd be a fool to report it. If this bug is real and they fix it what do you think will happen? Probably 10 spins on Starburst for your honesty.

What's the worst that would happen? Your casino account banned. Oh no what a disaster.

I'm just not that kind of person. I had a casino accidentally credit my sports bet €1000 too much twice (they were converting from SEK to € due to not getting swedish license and it messed up 2 of my bets). Took weeks and went unnoticed. I still contacted support to have them deduct it.

And it is true. Like I said, I've explained to the support in detail how it's done.
 

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You do bring up an important issue though, I genuinely feel bad when I play a game like roulette and see others not play it. I already felt bad for the unfair advantage, but now I feel straight up awful knowing that the players who weren't playing it simply didn't have access to it. Can I ask you what your first name is? Just curious if I'd recognize you from the races.

That's a point that's been raised in the past, can hardly be construed as fair to all when the "hot slot" is only available to players from certain jurisdictions, typically they do try to stay on top of it, but there always seems to be an overlap of at least a few days where the newest flavour of the week drastically lowers the odds for those who are netent/nyx/blueprint/elk excluded (damn that list just keeps growing...)

Personally (Shawn) I'm not in much of a position to complain, my account historically has been very well rewarded by the built in systems Rizk has in place, I also have the luxury of playing a few hrs each day when a large portion of the userbase is in sleep mode so the pendulum swings back in it's own way.

As to the exploit you discuss, I'm not aware of it, it doesn't surprise me.. and if it's not rizk exclusive it sure would explain some ridiculously "unlucky" races lost at the last minute when the player who had been sitting on their last 6 spins for half the race suddenly had jackpot style hits to race to the top...
 

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That's a point that's been raised in the past, can hardly be construed as fair to all when the "hot slot" is only available to players from certain jurisdictions, typically they do try to stay on top of it, but there always seems to be an overlap of at least a few days where the newest flavour of the week drastically lowers the odds for those who are netent/nyx/blueprint/elk excluded (damn that list just keeps growing...)

Personally (Shawn) I'm not in much of a position to complain, my account historically has been very well rewarded by the built in systems Rizk has in place, I also have the luxury of playing a few hrs each day when a large portion of the userbase is in sleep mode so the pendulum swings back in it's own way.

As to the exploit you discuss, I'm not aware of it, it doesn't surprise me.. and if it's not rizk exclusive it sure would explain some ridiculously "unlucky" races lost at the last minute when the player who had been sitting on their last 6 spins for half the race suddenly had jackpot style hits to race to the top...

Yeah a bunch of providers are restricted here too since January and it feels like another one is added each week. Latest one being Thunderkick. Swedish company but restricted for Swedish players.

Netent though? That's rough. How long has Netent been unavailable for you? And is it going to change?
 

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Yeah a bunch of providers are restricted here too since January and it feels like another one is added each week. Latest one being Thunderkick. Swedish company but restricted for Swedish players.

Netent though? That's rough. How long has Netent been unavailable for you? And is it going to change?

Netent has been technically out for quite a while, restricted status" as an actual enforced policy though has been slow in coming and still isn't 100% complete, but they're working official channels to secure real estate in the government run casinos as well (Now up and running in BC) so enforcement ramped up pretty darn quick ;-P

Scientific Games has been growing the list steadily as they acquire more and more of the competition. As a major player here in the B&M casinos they're essentially committed to exclusivity with the lottery and gaming corps. The NYX acquisition created a lot of overnight holes as they were a fairly larger aggregator/provider for an impressive list of smaller labels.


Truth be told, the local offerings for online sites leave a lot to be desired, so even when/if they all make their way to Ontario casinos I imagine my deposits will still be mainly skipping across the pond to the sites that aren't run by committees of people who it would appear have never actually visited a casino, yet alone been an active player and know what makes us tick/keeps us happy (at least temporarily)
 
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That's why I never play any of those 'races' at any casino.
They're all run in-house. So who's there to check everything's done properly.

It's the same with prize draws. who adjudicates them?
how do we know all the participants are included in the draw?
How do we know it's done randomly?
How do we know the draw even takes place?

I could not agree with you more. I was going to post and say exactly the same thing. Yes I know this was an oldish post now. But just wanted to say I agree with what you said.
 

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I could not agree with you more. I was going to post and say exactly the same thing. Yes I know this was an oldish post now. But just wanted to say I agree with what you said.

If you read the comment I made last night, you'll see that that isn't the case (with Rizk anyway). And I used to think like that too until a few days ago.
 

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If you read the comment I made last night, you'll see that that isn't the case (with Rizk anyway). And I used to think like that too until a few days ago.

Well I have never won a prize draw at any casino. And I have been entered into probably hundreds and thousands of them over the years. And I never won in them ever.
 

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Well done! :thumbsup: I smelled smoke.. did report it to Rizk.. did a long posts here.. because nothing happened and same players kept on winning weeks after weeks it was obvious that house is allowing them to win. Like You may see; One of my main questions was "Why they are not banned even are winning half of the main races?" After that it is not just a "conspiracy theory", but a certain fact that something is wrong. Anyway if my initial post have resulted You to carry on detective work then it have done its job. :cool:

It's actually a few players that are exploiting a bug.

If this is true then Rizk is partially to blame. They have been reported several times about these players. I even pointed those nicks out. And Rizk have, several times, stated that they are investigated and no foul play have been found.

What the exploit essentially allows you to do is to get 300-pointers every single spin.

If this is true then Rizks investigation team has been blind or just done really bad job. This is unpossible to notice...

Perhaps kinda silly to some that I spent the time to figure it out & write this up, but I enjoy playing the Rizk Race a lot (spend most of my non-betting gambling time on it) and I just wanted to dispel the theory that they're using in-house players in case anybody else also believed it. I've contacted customer support and explained how it's done and they've forwarded it to the appropriate department. Until then, the same players are still blatantly doing it as we speak.

Again well done. :thumbsup: I gave up with this Rizk sheit. Several times tried to point out that it is not possible just some players to win all the time and also noted out these huge win margins. All what I got was.. well.. :rolleyes: atleast one who listened. :)

You have gotten Your race ban lifted.. I haven't. If they fix this bug I might play there again... at fair races.
 

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Well I have never won a prize draw at any casino. And I have been entered into probably hundreds and thousands of them over the years. And I never won in them ever.

Ohh sorry, didn't see the part about prize draw. I just meant the Rizk Race isn't rigged.

Well done! :thumbsup: I smelled smoke.. did report it to Rizk.. did a long posts here.. because nothing happened and same players kept on winning weeks after weeks it was obvious that house is allowing them to win. Like You may see; One of my main questions was "Why they are not banned even are winning half of the main races?" After that it is not just a "conspiracy theory", but a certain fact that something is wrong. Anyway if my initial post have resulted You to carry on detective work then it have done its job. :cool:



If this is true then Rizk is partially to blame. They have been reported several times about these players. I even pointed those nicks out. And Rizk have, several times, stated that they are investigated and no foul play have been found.



If this is true then Rizks investigation team has been blind or just done really bad job. This is unpossible to notice...



Again well done. :thumbsup: I gave up with this Rizk sheit. Several times tried to point out that it is not possible just some players to win all the time and also noted out these huge win margins. All what I got was.. well.. :rolleyes: atleast one who listened. :)

You have gotten Your race ban lifted.. I haven't. If they fix this bug I might play there again... at fair races.

Right, I reported cheaters in the past as well and when I saw them blatantly keep doing it with no repercussions, I too suspected that they were in-house. But now I finally figured out how they do it, explained it to the support and the support thanked me repeatedly and said they were unaware of it. So I'm just hoping it'll get sorted asap. :)
 

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I mean one way to get 300 points (10x wins) is to save up on say sweet alchemy, gemix, viking runecraft etc until your nearly completed the level. Lower your bet until your completion is at least 10x your bet and boom. I expect you can do this on several slots.

But this only work on the smaller races, the big ones which are one game only it would only work for the first time (or twice if you use the mobile version too). They are my favorite races anyway, as they have decent prizes. The others dont
 

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I mean one way to get 300 points (10x wins) is to save up on say sweet alchemy, gemix, viking runecraft etc until your nearly completed the level. Lower your bet until your completion is at least 10x your bet and boom. I expect you can do this on several slots.

But this only work on the smaller races, the big ones which are one game only it would only work for the first time (or twice if you use the mobile version too). They are my favorite races anyway, as they have decent prizes. The others dont

Not really, they're extremely unreliable. And you're never going to reach 10x bet with a lower bet size, you'll pick it up long before you get there. And even if it was a viable strategy, you wouldn't have nearly enough time to do it, it would take half the race to just save up enough. Regardless, I think they're all restricted from races anyway.

I have thought along those lines as well though, it's fun to think of fair ways you can get a little edge but those games don't work unfortunately.
 

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Not really, they're extremely unreliable. And you're never going to reach 10x bet with a lower bet size, you'll pick it up long before you get there. And even if it was a viable strategy, you wouldn't have nearly enough time to do it, it would take half the race to just save up enough. Regardless, I think they're all restricted from races anyway.

I have thought along those lines as well though, it's fun to think of fair ways you can get a little edge but those games don't work unfortunately.

I meant as in do that before the race and then trigger it. You could do that with Gemix, Viking Runecraft, Sweet Alchemy, Viking go Berzerk/Hell, Wolf Hunters and other collect them slots. Worth it? Doubt it as they are not for the main races.
 

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If this is really true then why not join the folks? Clearly Rizk-free money considering how long this has been going for. If I discovered a bug like that to ensure I win every race for thousands of euros daily then I'd be a fool to report it. If this bug is real and they fix it what do you think will happen? Probably 10 spins on Starburst for your honesty.

What's the worst that would happen? Your casino account banned. Oh no what a disaster.

My apologies to you, you were 100% right. Except instead of 10 freespins on starburst, I got banned :rolleyes:

I ask support why. Response: "You've used a method in Rizk Race that isn't allowed and I can see that you contacted us yesterday to explain this". So the people who abused it for months and months can keep using it, but the person who used it one race and reported how it's done gets banned.

When I contacted the support the first time and asked if it's fine to just use it until it's fixed (because nothing was happening to the players abusing it despite reports), he responded that he messaged the relevant department so that people soon wont be able to use the bug anymore. So they aren't banning these players for abusing it but instead waiting for a fix to the bug.

It's hard to not think that it's a conspiracy with in-house players at this point. People use it for months despite reports of them cheating - no ban. They use it after I report how it's done & list players blatantly using it with screen shots from races - no ban. I report how it's done & use it in one actual race - instant ban.
 
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We have a saying in german that basically says "the honest one is the stupid one".

Unbelievable they ban you for pointing out the error in their system.

And imho ALL games with a gamble feature shouldnt be used in the races. Takes the fun out of it completely. Everybody can use the gamble to collect points but Im sure a lot of people dont know about how to use it to their advantage. No chance to win without using this tactic. I dont even try.
 

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Guess main races dont have games with gamble feature, are these allowed to these small races?
 

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Last week there was a special main race on BOD with the gamble feature. How many of the main races are with a gamble slot I can’t say as Iam not that interested in the races.
 

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Rizk tried to fraud me on live black jack games and fought all the way till i prove the scam then "oops" so i have absolutely no trust in them whatsoever. Also, i am a streamer on twitch of casinos, or well i was more now just here and there to rip quick. But i know, from having discussed deals with multiple casinos that big streamers either play fake money or have "happy days rtp" to promote the casino and show wins. But then you see these streamers with their happy days rng go and run all races and very regularly win, i witnessed multiple casumo 5000e wins and such from these streamers... And it's not just a matter of luck when they beat thousands of players literally left and right like wow. Makes me wonder if they really win the races or if it's all play money and the casino can just throw the big prizes to streamers so they don't have to pay it. After 2 years daily on twitch and casinos, i learned that online is everything but fair. Casinos cheat, lie, fraud, scam and nobody seem to care lol. I'm not saying we can't win, i won a bunch myself but too late have i realized those wins were "maybe" not all random and were given to achieve another objective, hook me, make me stay, make me bet more. After looking at years of play and casinos history, it becomes clear that if it's truly, really, random, then omfg then it's totally possible for me to open my bedroom door and it opens on planet Mars, magic! The funniest part is when the casino refuse to provide rtp of the slots, refuse to provide anything, then claim they are legit, proof... they have curacao license LUL.
 

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My apologies to you, you were 100% right. Except instead of 10 freespins on starburst, I got banned :rolleyes:

:D They gave You troll face...

It's hard to not think that it's a conspiracy with in-house players at this point. People use it for months despite reports of them cheating - no ban. They use it after I report how it's done & list players blatantly using it with screen shots from races - no ban. I report how it's done & use it in one actual race - instant ban.

Roller coaster feelings are notable.. First con.. then obviously not a con.. and now after mangled through path of rightness meeting Mr. Con S Piracy again. I feel You man, I feel You. :( But hey, this is very honest casino and everything is done properly and right. They have earned top spot at Casinomeister's casino listings. :thumbsup:

How about giving up methods how trick was done... And good luck for all players with their main races; lottery winning God mode level is needed. :lolup:
 

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Peluri, honest and bla bla.. they scammed me and lied to me straight without any kind of remorse.. just like it's a protocol, i think they do regularly. Of course i will have long time trouble trying to convince you but i don't really want to convince you, i just know what happened to me and then read your comment about how good they are and i just have a good laugh.
 

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If the races aren't fair, then Rizk need reporting to the gaming commission in each country they operate, especially if they are allowing it to continue after being made aware. If everyone doesn't have the same chance, and from some people being banned for using the same method as others who don't, then it clearly is not fair, and customers playing the games, thinking they have as much chance as others, are being ripped off. Maybe @Sebastian - Rizk could comment on the recent posts and explain why the Rizk races haven't been taken offline if some players have an advantage others do not?
 

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If the races aren't fair, then Rizk need reporting to the gaming commission in each country they operate, especially if they are allowing it to continue after being made aware. If everyone doesn't have the same chance, and from some people being banned for using the same method as others who don't, then it clearly is not fair, and customers playing the games, thinking they have as much chance as others, are being ripped off. Maybe @Sebastian - Rizk could comment on the recent posts and explain why the Rizk races haven't been taken offline if some players have an advantage others do not?

Through the scams i dealt with through the years i can tell you without any doubts (but this opinion involves just me) casinos know, it's planned and all on purpose. Obviously like most shady things in big industries probably just a handfull of top employers/CEO's are aware of it so any random support on a forum on chat support on casinos or even most of the employees working for the companies have no idea whatsoever this is going on for obvious reasons. But for me, to be scammed 3 times by top 10 casinos online with them everytime replying they and provider investigated and found nothing wrong and i just lose... to then flip 180 degrees when i provide evidence is clear that it's a protocol and casino staff are trained to reply the way they did to me in that kind of situation. Most likely the people i talked to had no idea whatsoever what was going on, but when i provided evidences everytime they muted and infos went up the ladder to one that knows and said "pay him back". But my worry is why aren't they sued, fined or whatever for that? I have proof against rizk and leovegas at hand that prove without any doubts they screwed me and tried to get away with it by lying and bringing providers said this and that to make me go home without my due money. I mean seriously, when yggdrasil and leovegas tell you that there was no malfunction whatsoever and decision is final.. then i post the video on youtube where you see it and oops magic, they flip and admit there was a malfunction. Like hello? I would do that now to anyone or even a casino and i would most likely end up in jail. Why they get nothing? For curious people, the video about the scam on leovegas and yggdrasil is still up on youtube :p .
 

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Through the scams i dealt with through the years i can tell you without any doubts (but this opinion involves just me) casinos know, it's planned and all on purpose. Obviously like most shady things in big industries probably just a handfull of top employers/CEO's are aware of it so any random support on a forum on chat support on casinos or even most of the employees working for the companies have no idea whatsoever this is going on for obvious reasons. But for me, to be scammed 3 times by top 10 casinos online with them everytime replying they and provider investigated and found nothing wrong and i just lose... to then flip 180 degrees when i provide evidence is clear that it's a protocol and casino staff are trained to reply the way they did to me in that kind of situation. Most likely the people i talked to had no idea whatsoever what was going on, but when i provided evidences everytime they muted and infos went up the ladder to one that knows and said "pay him back". But my worry is why aren't they sued, fined or whatever for that? I have proof against rizk and leovegas at hand that prove without any doubts they screwed me and tried to get away with it by lying and bringing providers said this and that to make me go home without my due money. I mean seriously, when yggdrasil and leovegas tell you that there was no malfunction whatsoever and decision is final.. then i post the video on youtube where you see it and oops magic, they flip and admit there was a malfunction. Like hello? I would do that now to anyone or even a casino and i would most likely end up in jail. Why they get nothing? For curious people, the video about the scam on leovegas and yggdrasil is still up on youtube :p .
How much money are you talking? It does sound odd that they wouldn't repay you for an error, especially if you're a streamer which could bring them negative PR. We talking in the tens of thousands or?

I'm a nobody and they still over-compensated me €250 + €30 in free spins after BTG messed up and made me lose over €200 worth of progress in Extra Chilli. They compensated me €20 for me losing progress in a game that got restricted for Swedish players. Neither of these were their fault, neither of these would I ever expect compensation, nor did I ask for it. Nor am I a VIP or a losing player, I'm up thousands of euro on Rizk. But they still did it.
 
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