ATTN: Casino Rep Rizk Race is currently extremely unfair and the same player wins literally every single time.

PetraPool

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This issue can be simply resolved, make a race with just 1 slot like Casumo and Videoslots do in their races and battles.
Obviously people are abusing the Rizk Race system by playing slots that give them an edge on the rest of the people who are restricted from playing these slots (Greentube / Merkur).
On Greentube slots it sometimes is very easy to gamble high up the ladder on a good streak.

So maybe Rizk should make the same slots available for everyone, any slots brand that is banned in certain countries should be banned for all players during the race.

If the race offers more slots to other players the race is simply dishonest and unfair.

Personally I like that some races allow you to play your favorite slot as long as the biggest races (the ones with £500 £1000) enforce a certain game. I just think they need to be a little more responsive when it comes to banning unstoppable games. And I'm happy that the Rizk Rep got 2 games removed and he is very nice, but he doesn't... seem to be an expert on Rizk Races (which is fine) so I just kind of gave up on the cause because I don't want to keep being that naggy argumentive bitch. I mostly play the game-specific races now so I will settle for that :) Here's the quote that made me give up:

"Rizk Races are based on luck and our casino team does its best of excluding games where there is an advantage, whether it's Merkur or any other provider. I can not reveal (neither do I know as it's very advanced) mechanics of Rizk Race, but I can assure you that it's not like all the games with certain features would give a great advantage."

10 points for win, 30 points for 3 win streak, 40 points for 3 loss streak, 300 bonus points for 10x win. It's already revealed on the information part of Rizk Race. Very basic, not secret "very advanced mechanics" :p

So regarding gambling feature not gaining you a great advantage: If somebody has a 2 loss streak and get a 5x win and is playing a regular slot, their win streak gets interrupted and they get 10 points. If somebody in the exact same situation is playing a game with the gamble feature, they have a 50% chance to get 40 points for losing the gamble and 50% chance to get 310 points for winning the gamble. It's an advantage that is absolutely impossible to overcome, there's nothing random about it. Gamble feature games get at worst 40 points per 3 games and far more big wins thanks to gamble feature being able to channel all wins into 10x> wins for the 300 point bonus. So even if there are more than Ari that are winning the races, the point is that whoever it is, is definitely using gamble-feature games (in the €120 races). And this is why 99% of all games with gamble-feature are already disabled for Rizk Race, only these unpopular ones that slipped through the cracks that are only available to some countries, giving them indeed a "great advantage".

He also accused me of lying about all merkur games having the gamble-feature. Here's from merkur themselves:

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A special feature of ALL Merkurslots is the “Gamble Function”. This Function allows you, to choose between two gamble systems where you be able to increase your winnings.

So who knows, I have played many merkur games and they all had the same gamble feature, Merkur themselves say on their official website that literally ALL of their games do have the gamble-feature but maybe he's right :p And I absolutely don't want this to come off as me bashing him or Rizk, just letting you know not to get your hopes up on things getting fixed because they seem pretty adamant that it's fair and random despite only gamble-feature games being able to win the races that they decide to enter.
 

SlotGrinder

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Regarding "Alexander" or "Oliver" winning lots of the races ... how do you know it's the same Alexander each time ? I mean , it's a very common name in some countries
 

Peluri

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Kymenlaakso
Rizk rep Sebastian has been here Today several times. Yesterday was active and fast to answer. Today silence. Perhaps doing a massive and inclusive point to point answer.. or just lurking in the shadows and hoping this just melt away...

Today's Olympos race had already a familiar winner.. Guido. The way how "he" got that win was also "very lucky". I'd like to ask if Casinomeister could PAB (if that can be used or some similar third party investigation) whole Rizk money races? Take a closer look collectively last Months. Rizk is rated at Casinomeister 9,8 top points and any suspected, even fraud, game fixing should be investigated! I urge You all to keep close eye for these main races!
 

Tirilej

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Rizk rep Sebastian has been here Today several times. Yesterday was active and fast to answer. Today silence. Perhaps doing a massive and inclusive point to point answer.. or just lurking in the shadows and hoping this just melt away...

Today's Olympos race had already a familiar winner.. Guido. The way how "he" got that win was also "very lucky". I'd like to ask if Casinomeister could PAB (if that can be used or some similar third party investigation) whole Rizk money races? Take a closer look collectively last Months. Rizk is rated at Casinomeister 9,8 top points and any suspected, even fraud, game fixing should be investigated! I urge You all to keep close eye for these main races!

Accusing them for fraud is a bit too much I think and you should consider not doing that here. They are accredited and well respected.
Casinomeister are offering help through PAB. They can't PAB themselves. That would be a little odd:p

Maybe you should relax a bit and let Sebastian work this out. I'm sure he reads this thread and they maybe are looking in to the races. Patience is a gold quality though :)
 

Peluri

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Kymenlaakso
Yes, and remember that "Trip to Iceland" promotion? I think it was Felix who won it. He had unnaturally high score after the first day of races, and he never played after that.

Checked just that winners list.. :D

1 Felix 10450 VIP-matka Islantiin
2 Guido 10190 2 500 €
3 Niels 9820 1 000 €
4 Heiner 9540 500 €
5 Oliver 9290 250 €

Accusing them for fraud is a bit too much I think and you should consider not doing that here. They are accredited and well respected.
Casinomeister are offering help through PAB. They can't PAB themselves. That would be a little odd:p

Maybe you should relax a bit and let Sebastian work this out. I'm sure he reads this thread and they maybe are looking in to the races. Patience is a gold quality though :)

Didn't, yet, accuse them for fraud.. just brought up a high possibility ("even fraud" was my words exact!) of a hoax.. Perhaps these win percentages are normal to someone and someone thinks that it is inline within all expectations.. :rolleyes: And asking about PAB was a question; I have never done it.. Yep, I am relaxed.. nothing to gain or lose here.. just truth! :thumbsup: I know that I am not alone here with these thoughts. I am not the only one who has noted these really odd patterns and winners in "real money" races.. so far I am the only one who has been loud about it.
 

Sebastian - Rizk

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Hi everyone,


First of all, like I mentioned before, feedback is more than welcome and I have let the discussion flow here until now before commenting on anything. I think it’s very important to critically evaluate the products and the businesses of online casino operators, whether it’s a top rated & accredited casino, a new one, an old one or a shady one. That’s one of the main reasons this excellent forum exists and is alive, to find which place is the best for a player and also to know which places to avoid. So I welcome discussion and also come to Casinomeister myself often to read reviews and threads about other casinos.

In this thread there are some accusations of fraud, race-fixing, in-house players and other claims based on feeling, which I come back to a bit later on. I think before that though I should give a clear overview on what Rizk races are and how they work so you all understand what the topic is about. Someone also asked this question previously in the thread and I am sure some of you readers and thread contributors might not have tried them before :)

Rizk Races are a way of earning wager-free rewards (ranging from free spins and super spins to up to 1500 EUR for the biggest 1st prize) while playing your favourite games.

  • They start every 30 minutes seven days a week and last for either 25 or 55 minutes

  • Opt-in is free, however as usual playing the games, i.e. wagering, is not.

  • The minimum bet which counts towards points is depending on the race and ranges anywhere from £/€/$ 0.20 to £/€/$2. More info about the prize pools and races can be found here:
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  • As you can see, in the races called Rizk Race, Lunch Race or Super Spins Race you can earn points by playing any games in the All Race Games category found in our games lobby.

  • Other races again are for a specific game where everyone plays the same game, such as the Vikings race mentioned, where “that one guy” won a trip to Iceland :thumbsup:

How are the points calculated?

+10 POINTS

Every win

+30 POINTS

3 wins in a row

+40 POINTS

3 losses in a row

+300 POINTS

Big wins (minimum 10x your original bet)


More information and rules about the races can be found here by clicking the Information tab:
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Now…regarding the accusations that the same players win all the time or that the races are fixed. Our forum member Peluri had gathered some data about the top 3 players from several main races (all of them are played in one specific game and everyone has the same amount of spins to use, as always) during several consecutive days. If we take a closer look we can actually see multiple different names in the top 3. However, I can agree that there are also players who are in the top 3 clearly a few times. How is this possible?


It comes down to two things:

1) Although we at Rizk are very proud of the Rizk Race as one of our products & promotions, I can honestly say that player pool is not that big and we would like to see more players playing them. You could argue that they are not exciting enough and on mobile I can definitely agree with that. This is something we are working on. They are more exciting on desktop where the leaderboard is clearly shown. Below you can find some examples of how many many players have participated in the races (you can also follow this yourselves when you opt-in to the races and try them out, even for one spin) during the last 24 hours:


Yesterday's Battle Royal Race at 9pm CET (the race with the biggest prize pool) : 38 racers, out of whom 10 won a prize


One of today's RIZK RACEs: 03:30 am: 3 racers and all 3 of them won a prize. Quite nice!


Today's BREAKFAST RACE: 12 racers, out of whom 5 racers won a prize.


2) As always, luck plays a role as well, but the main point is that everyone in the game-specific races Peluri mentioned had the same chance of winning.


Now, to one serious accusation raised in this thread, that Rizk has it’s own in-house players. I will of course not laugh this one off, but neither can I disprove it. Let me just assure you that with programming or using our own players we would shoot ourselves in the foot. The more players who play the races and the more players who win, the better it is for Rizk as a casino as players wager more in our casino games and players who win come back to our site and enjoy our games more.


What I suggest is that you try the races out yourselves and see what you think :thumbsup:


Lastly (I might have missed out some points raised in this thread), some comments related to where this discussion initially began and which @PetraPool among others also raised and rightly so. Different types of games and maybe even providers which should be excluded from the races. Right now we have excluded Genii slots from our races and we will look into more games and providers and re-evaluate. I have sent a link of this thread to our casino team and I will sit down in a meeting with my colleagues as soon as possible and the main topic is our Rizk Races and how we can improve them.


Thank you for a great discussion so far! :) - Sebastian
 

xexe

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It comes down to two things:

1) Although we at Rizk are very proud of the Rizk Race as one of our products & promotions, I can honestly say that player pool is not that big and we would like to see more players playing them. You could argue that they are not exciting enough and on mobile I can definitely agree with that. This is something we are working on. They are more exciting on desktop where the leaderboard is clearly shown. Below you can find some examples of how many many players have participated in the races (you can also follow this yourselves when you opt-in to the races and try them out, even for one spin) during the last 24 hours:


Yesterday's Battle Royal Race at 9pm CET (the race with the biggest prize pool) : 38 racers, out of whom 10 won a prize


One of today's RIZK RACEs: 03:30 am: 3 racers and all 3 of them won a prize. Quite nice!


Today's BREAKFAST RACE: 12 racers, out of whom 5 racers won a prize.

...Wow. :rolleyes: I was banned without warning for playing the risk race too much. Pelluri claims the same thing happened to him although his ban was heaved for being a VIP member. Y'all ban anybody who play them too much without any warning and in the next breath express a wish to have more race players. I came from VideoSlots where you automatically join every single race. Each spin you perform counts towards a race. How was I supposed to know that rizk bans anybody who do the very same thing that's encouraged on thé most popular online casino in the world?
 

Peluri

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Now, to one serious accusation raised in this thread, that Rizk has it’s own in-house players. I will of course not laugh this one off, but neither can I disprove it. Let me just assure you that with programming or using our own players we would shoot ourselves in the foot. The more players who play the races and the more players who win, the better it is for Rizk as a casino as players wager more in our casino games and players who win come back to our site and enjoy our games more.

Hello, Sebastian! Thank You for Your answer! Unfortunately I have been active in politics and studied marketing and Your reply is like is expected when one wants to answer long sentences, a lot of words, but needs to hold up real information. Yes, I asked specific numbers and what I get..

Yesterday's Battle Royal Race at 9pm CET (the race with the biggest prize pool) : 38 racers, out of whom 10 won a prize


One of today's RIZK RACEs: 03:30 am: 3 racers and all 3 of them won a prize. Quite nice!


Today's BREAKFAST RACE: 12 racers, out of whom 5 racers won a prize.

If this is The Info what You can give to convince doubtful minds, even after You stated:

I will of course not laugh this one off, but neither can I disprove it. Let me just assure you that with programming or using our own players we would shoot ourselves in the foot.

Yes, this answer wasn't even close to disproving my suspicions.. Like I can also say that let me just assure You are using some methods which are not acceptable. Only difference between me and You is that I have something to show which is way over all expectations if we are talking about variance. Like You said noted that I had gathered info about races. Yes, why had I done so? Because those winners are just toooooo often same ones! This also leads to two another funny things, I'd laugh on those also, like You, but...

One: Rizk kicks out from races players mainly for playing/winning too much from them. I have been contacted by players after this post saying that they have been kicked out like I was earlier. What is the limit how much one player can win/take part of Your races? I see, that Heiner has been winning and taking part for Months.. winning A LOT! And still keeps on going.

Winners after my post:

30.1. Battle Royal: Tom, Kevin, Sofie

31.1. Reactoons: Christoph, Melanie, Mira
31.1. Book of Dead: Heiner, Nancy, Ross
31.1. Starburst: Kira, Anne, Sven

1.2. Gonzo: Tristan, Alexander, Melanie
1.2. Twin Spin: Heiner, Darren, Kaisa
1.2. Sakura: Michelle, Sven, Michael

(Got dates day wrong so edited afterwards)

Both wins for Heiner are 2€ wager races with heaviest money prize. Also Kira got "her" 3rd win in 50 races like did Michelle. Usually odd players will win that 500€ race and familiar names takes 1€ and 2€ races.. How, Sebastian, You can explain "Heiner", "Oliver", "Tom", "Sylvio" and now rising "female" stars luck mathematically? Open up also their winning points and note the differences between first, second and third. Those are just HUGE! And after that explain how same names who do win a lot also wins with huge point difference!?

Back to the point... so, if Heiner is winning this often and much.. why "he" isn't banned!? Why any of those regular winners are never banned!? All I see that players who I can confirm to be flesh and blood are banned after winning spin prizes and small, 120€, races.. like I already stated that those are possible to win by playing right games and right tactics.. which isn't possible 500+€ races; those should be -only- for luck. And winners from those are never banned! Weird!!

Second:
What I suggest is that you try the races out yourselves and see what you think :thumbsup:

LoL. This is just absurd! I waited over a day to see if anyone answers to You, but only one.. xexe.. and he pointed out what I have been asking directly from You last Year:

Y'all ban anybody who play them too much without any warning and in the next breath express a wish to have more race players.

If You ban always player who wins or plays "too much" races.. it leads that first You ban a couple of winners.. lets say that You have 50 players.. 3 cut off.. then new winners.. they are cut off.. then new winners.. they are cut off.. After 3 Months You have 30 players.. and cutting off spirals.. which means all players are cut off with "playing and winning too much" after five Months! And here, Sebastian, You are asking us to try out.. Unreal if You don't see the problem.. Oh, of course, there are these most trusted "players" who are able to continue winning streak month after month..

And now in economical thinking..

Let me just assure you that with programming or using our own players we would shoot ourselves in the foot.

You state this after giving sample where You are posting like so few players and they win all prizes.. If I put up a lottery and have a million tickets sold versus I have a lottery with 38 tickets sold.. which one is more likely to give me negative earnings?? And thinking more deeply, which one would benefit me more to have tickets to sold for myself... or have a fixed lottery?

Answer is obvious. Heiner and others win all the time the biggest races. Race prize structure is heavily win weighted. It's enough if main prize is allocated in right way to get into zero balance.. and if more then even fewer tickets might get positive outcome. But it is very sure if only 38 tickets are sold for 1000€-2000€ grand prize win that it will be negative outcome even short period.

When I was first banned out and then "traded" my VIP status to possibility to take part to Your races I asked numbers how You can rationalize kicking me out..

*Viimeiset 7 päivää:* (last 7 days)
Talletukset:€1983 (depos)
Kotiutukset:€1133 (withdrawals)
Tappiot: €850 = RTP 90.54% (losses)
Bonukset:€375 = Bonus kustannukset 34.63% (bonuses) (bonus expences)

*Viimeiset 30 päivää:*
Talletukset:€4491
Kotiutukset:€3877
Tappiot: €614 = RTP 94.13%
Bonukset:€1850 = Bonus kustannukset 95.46%

You were banning me even I was, with all race winnings, on negative and inline with RTP. Without those race winnings numbers would have been really bad. Also You explained that You think that races are at Rizk considered as "bonus". Yes, they are bonuses which You might win.

You also stated to me that "Pyrimme pitämään bonukset 10% pelaajaa kohden" (We try to maintain bonuses at 10% per player) I'd like to know if this is the number also for these "players" who seem to dominate money races!?

In the end I ask again.. You don't have to give any single names, even though they already are publicly announced, just name them like numbers or letters for last three Months:

How much has been total value of main race winnings?
How much have been won by 10 "luckiest" players?
 
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Tirilej

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Hello, Sebastian! Thank You for Your answer! Unfortunately I have been active in politics and studied marketing and Your reply is like is expected when one wants to answer long sentences, a lot of words, but needs to hold up real information. Yes, I asked specific numbers and what I get..



If this is The Info what You can give to convince doubtful minds, even after You stated:



Yes, this answer wasn't even close to disproving my suspicions.. Like I can also say that let me just assure You are using some methods which are not acceptable. Only difference between me and You is that I have something to show which is way over all expectations if we are talking about variance. Like You said noted that I had gathered info about races. Yes, why had I done so? Because those winners are just toooooo often same ones! This also leads to two another funny things, I'd laugh on those also, like You, but...

One: Rizk kicks out from races players mainly for playing/winning too much from them. I have been contacted by players after this post saying that they have been kicked out like I was earlier. What is the limit how much one player can win/take part of Your races? I see, that Heiner has been winning and taking part for Months.. winning A LOT! And still keeps on going.

Winners after my post:

31.1. Battle Royal: Tom, Kevin, Sofie

1.2. Reactoons: Christoph, Melanie, Mira
1.2. Book of Dead: Heiner, Nancy, Ross
1.2. Starburst: Kira, Anne, Sven

2.2. Gonzo: Tristan, Alexander, Melanie
2.2. Twin Spin: Heiner, Darren, Kaisa
2.2. Sakura: Michelle, Sven, Michael

Both wins for Heiner are 2€ wager races with heaviest money prize. Also Kira got "her" 3rd win in 50 races like did Michelle. Usually odd players will win that 500€ race and familiar names takes 1€ and 2€ races.. How, Sebastian, You can explain "Heiner", "Oliver", "Tom", "Sylvio" and now rising "female" stars luck mathematically? Open up also their winning points and note the differences between first, second and third. Those are just HUGE! And after that explain how same names who do win a lot also wins with huge point difference!?

Back to the point... so, if Heiner is winning this often and much.. why "he" isn't banned!? Why any of those regular winners are never banned!? All I see that players who I can confirm to be flesh and blood are banned after winning spin prizes and small, 120€, races.. like I already stated that those are possible to win by playing right games and right tactics.. which isn't possible 500+€ races; those should be -only- for luck. And winners from those are never banned! Weird!!

Second:


LoL. This is just absurd! I waited over a day to see if anyone answers to You, but only one.. xexe.. and he pointed out what I have been asking directly from You last Year:



If You ban always player who wins or plays "too much" races.. it leads that first You ban a couple of winners.. lets say that You have 50 players.. 3 cut off.. then new winners.. they are cut off.. then new winners.. they are cut off.. After 3 Months You have 30 players.. and cutting off spirals.. which means all players are cut off with "playing and winning too much" after five Months! And here, Sebastian, You are asking us to try out.. Unreal if You don't see the problem.. Oh, of course, there are these most trusted "players" who are able to continue winning streak month after month..

And now in economical thinking..



You state this after giving sample where You are posting like so few players and they win all prizes.. If I put up a lottery and have a million tickets sold versus I have a lottery with 38 tickets sold.. which one is more likely to give me negative earnings?? And thinking more deeply, which one would benefit me more to have tickets to sold for myself... or have a fixed lottery?

Answer is obvious. Heiner and others win all the time the biggest races. Race prize structure is heavily win weighted. It's enough if main prize is allocated in right way to get into zero balance.. and if more then even fewer tickets might get positive outcome. But it is very sure if only 38 tickets are sold for 1000€-2000€ grand prize win that it will be negative outcome even short period.

When I was first banned out and then "traded" my VIP status to possibility to take part to Your races I asked numbers how You can rationalize kicking me out..

*Viimeiset 7 päivää:* (last 7 days)
Talletukset:€1983 (depos)
Kotiutukset:€1133 (withdrawals)
Tappiot: €850 = RTP 90.54% (losses)
Bonukset:€375 = Bonus kustannukset 34.63% (bonuses) (bonus expences)

*Viimeiset 30 päivää:*
Talletukset:€4491
Kotiutukset:€3877
Tappiot: €614 = RTP 94.13%
Bonukset:€1850 = Bonus kustannukset 95.46%

You were banning me even I was, with all race winnings, on negative and inline with RTP. Without those race winnings numbers would have been really bad. Also You explained that You think that races are at Rizk considered as "bonus". Yes, they are bonuses which You might win.

You also stated to me that "Pyrimme pitämään bonukset 10% pelaajaa kohden" (We try to maintain bonuses at 10% per player) I'd like to know if this is the number also for these "players" who seem to dominate money races!?

In the end I ask again.. You don't have to give any single names, even though they already are publicly announced, just name them like numbers or letters for last three Months:

How much has been total value of main race winnings?
How much have been won by 10 "luckiest" players?

If there are so few people taking part in the races then it's pretty clear to me there are even fewer in those where you have to bet €1 to €2. Most people never bet that high. I wouldn't and couldn't.
The same goes with other battles with not so many players in them. If it's been possible to get high up because of how you play then that is what they have done. Nothing odd but there should be changes now if some games isn't allowed.

I chose to trust what Sebastian are telling us since he doesn't have anything to gain by lying. I doubt that the battles are costing them that much either that they need every win for themselves :rolleyes:
You are stuck in the thought that they are cheating in some way, and you need to stop thinking that.

The only thing I don't like is that they are banning some people from the battles. That shouldn't be happening. That's just stupidity!
 

Peluri

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If there are so few people taking part in the races then it's pretty clear to me there are even fewer in those where you have to bet €1 to €2. Most people never bet that high. I wouldn't and couldn't.
The same goes with other battles with not so many players in them. If it's been possible to get high up because of how you play then that is what they have done. Nothing odd but there should be changes now if some games isn't allowed.

I chose to trust what Sebastian are telling us since he doesn't have anything to gain by lying. I doubt that the battles are costing them that much either that they need every win for themselves :rolleyes:
You are stuck in the thought that they are cheating in some way, and you need to stop thinking that.

The only thing I don't like is that they are banning some people from the battles. That shouldn't be happening. That's just stupidity!

Sorry, but I usually don't trust words when money is involved. Numbers tell then the truth.

Even if fewer people attend those races still there should be more winners. If I use me as a subject of the past; I took part most of the main races and won around 1% of played. Usually even played through as every spin allowed. Didn't think if there is around 100 players that it was unexpected. But how anyone can "choose to trust" (It means that You do that without any real, hard, evidence..). Sebastian might not have anything to gain.. what do I? If You see nearby where You live at local store some odd guys always walking out shady and after there is stuff missing at shelves.. Then You need to stop thinking that they might have taken them.. and just go on.

I was talking with Rizk Finnish rep last April about this matter first time. I then gave them advice that they might limit players to take part races.. not just ban like Thor with his ban hammer off right away. I wanted to first wait Sebastian's answer before giving my proposition..

First: Like You said banning from races where players play with their own money tournaments which casino itself promotes is just total stupidity! Right! Firstly Rizk should lift ALL bans off which are given by that reason.

Second: They should find some kind of cap to these races.. smaller ones maybe without any restrictions, but cooling period after major win is needed. It really doesn't look honest if four (4) "players" win 50% or more of all races. Even You had to admit that! Cap might be either amount of win money surpassed or first place with days or week "cool off" -period. Yes, I hate these restrictions, but something is to be done.

Third: Tournament games must be all the players on the same line, so allowed every player to play and, if need to go on lower iQ -leveling, without doubling, holding, gathering, tactics etc possibilities; just plain game play. This problem is, like I have mentioned several times here and there, brought up by Rizk itself after they changed all last Fall. Before it races went on like train on its tracks. After it.. well.. atleast I caught my eye and now writing novels here because of it.

Fourth and last: There must be simple rules! It just can't be arbitrary invisible line on the water. Rizk gives very seldom any bonuses as they think these races are "bonuses". Their wheel is as a bonus a joke.. so any player without possibility to have any perks is crazy to put money in there. What they are thinking at marketing department when doing these lunatic decisions.

I wonder what is difficulty of bringing stats from these races? It is totally possible to do without giving out any personal info. They already publish every nick after every race.. why those nick's winnings couldn't be brought collectively out? We all have had possibility to take notes of won sums and print/screen (or even video material (!!) how races have been played by) winners... Even better would be third party audit about last three Months main race winnings and how they are spread/dealt by the players.

Ugh!
 

Tirilej

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Sorry, but I usually don't trust words when money is involved. Numbers tell then the truth.

Even if fewer people attend those races still there should be more winners. If I use me as a subject of the past; I took part most of the main races and won around 1% of played. Usually even played through as every spin allowed. Didn't think if there is around 100 players that it was unexpected. But how anyone can "choose to trust" (It means that You do that without any real, hard, evidence..). Sebastian might not have anything to gain.. what do I? If You see nearby where You live at local store some odd guys always walking out shady and after there is stuff missing at shelves.. Then You need to stop thinking that they might have taken them.. and just go on.

I was talking with Rizk Finnish rep last April about this matter first time. I then gave them advice that they might limit players to take part races.. not just ban like Thor with his ban hammer off right away. I wanted to first wait Sebastian's answer before giving my proposition..

First: Like You said banning from races where players play with their own money tournaments which casino itself promotes is just total stupidity! Right! Firstly Rizk should lift ALL bans off which are given by that reason.

Second: They should find some kind of cap to these races.. smaller ones maybe without any restrictions, but cooling period after major win is needed. It really doesn't look honest if four (4) "players" win 50% or more of all races. Even You had to admit that! Cap might be either amount of win money surpassed or first place with days or week "cool off" -period. Yes, I hate these restrictions, but something is to be done.

Third: Tournament games must be all the players on the same line, so allowed every player to play and, if need to go on lower iQ -leveling, without doubling, holding, gathering, tactics etc possibilities; just plain game play. This problem is, like I have mentioned several times here and there, brought up by Rizk itself after they changed all last Fall. Before it races went on like train on its tracks. After it.. well.. atleast I caught my eye and now writing novels here because of it.

Fourth and last: There must be simple rules! It just can't be arbitrary invisible line on the water. Rizk gives very seldom any bonuses as they think these races are "bonuses". Their wheel is as a bonus a joke.. so any player without possibility to have any perks is crazy to put money in there. What they are thinking at marketing department when doing these lunatic decisions.

I wonder what is difficulty of bringing stats from these races? It is totally possible to do without giving out any personal info. They already publish every nick after every race.. why those nick's winnings couldn't be brought collectively out? We all have had possibility to take notes of won sums and print/screen (or even video material (!!) how races have been played by) winners... Even better would be third party audit about last three Months main race winnings and how they are spread/dealt by the players.

Ugh!

I can't understand how you can bother to play anywhere where you think they are not fair. This industry is about trust. You can read thousands of threads in here about people who doubt the fairness of both games and everything else.
It's about educating yourself. You maybe think you know so much but I doubt you do.
Some places have been cheating and it's a lot of shady businesses too so it's good to question things, and be observant, but it's still about trust. I need no real hard evidence :)

At this casino though I think you would gain a lot more if you instead of accusing them gave feedback without making judgement, or I think you should just leave them.
Having a rep here that listen to feedback is great, but it's still up to them how they will run the races.

You're new in here. I hope you take the chance to read up on other things that goes on in the gambling world too. It's about a bit more than a few Rizk races :thumbsup:
 

colinsunderland

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I would be amazed if Rizk were using bots or their own players to win the races, it makes no sense at all to do that, and the accusations are unfounded tbh. Whats more likely is that some players have a certain playing style that is more beneficial to them than others. I have just had a quick look and some races have £1 min bet, if some players play 200 spins and have a bad streak they quite possibly will drop out, and if there are less than 40 players in the race, then those who have the funds to keep playing to the end are obviously more likely to win a prize. It could be these who are in the top few all the time are ones who have a large balance to continue on through a bad spell.

I don't understand why some players are getting banned from the races though, perhaps @Sebastian - Rizk could explain? Surely if you want more players then you don't ban players, and if the races are fair, which I'm sure they are, then what is to be gained by banning someone?

I'm not a Rizk fan, in fact I closed my account there, and even less a GIG fan, so I'm not defending them because of any loyalty, more because simply, I think some of the accusations are completely wrong.
 

Peluri

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I can't understand how you can bother to play anywhere where you think they are not fair. This industry is about trust.
I need no real hard evidence :)

Only have complained about main money races. I have had no other to complain about Rizk. You obviously don't see anything odd if just hand full of players picks wins. All the time.

At this casino though I think you would gain a lot more if you instead of accusing them gave feedback without making judgement, or I think you should just leave them.

Didn't I give my propositions to make things better.. isn't that feed back as its finest?

It's about educating yourself. You maybe think you know so much but I doubt you do.
You're new in here. I hope you take the chance to read up on other things that goes on in the gambling world too. It's about a bit more than a few Rizk races :thumbsup:

Thank You for worrying me and my casino world education. Yes, my nick here now might be a new one, but I just lay You pair of words which case I followed in real time.. of course this was totally different level of a case, but also there were no reason to anyone to do what just happened: Absolut Poker. If You don't know this one from memory then a little education might be in place. :thumbsup:

Thank You for, colinsunderland, supporting. ;)

Whats more likely is that some players have a certain playing style that is more beneficial to them than others. I have just had a quick look and some races have £1 min bet, if some players play 200 spins and have a bad streak they quite possibly will drop out, and if there are less than 40 players in the race, then those who have the funds to keep playing to the end are obviously more likely to win a prize. It could be these who are in the top few all the time are ones who have a large balance to continue on through a bad spell.

Usually those playing styles, like in this thread has been explained, worked with those small races where every player could choose a game. I have been ONLY after these main races where "luck" should be THE only thing. Same game to all. Usually game where any playing style or tactic gives no advantage. Still a few players beat all others almost every time. And Yes, some players drop off after bad start, but almost everytime top 30 have played all spins. Still no matter to outcome towards winners.
 

Steviedoo

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If they use they’re own players, in house, bots, as you claim wouldn’t they use different names so people like you wouldn’t get suspicious. You think if you’re gonna fool someone they would do it properly.
 

xexe

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Hi everyone,
It comes down to two things:

1) Although we at Rizk are very proud of the Rizk Race as one of our products & promotions, I can honestly say that player pool is not that big and we would like to see more players playing them. You could argue that they are not exciting enough and on mobile I can definitely agree with that. This is something we are working on. They are more exciting on desktop where the leaderboard is clearly shown. Below you can find some examples of how many many players have participated in the races (you can also follow this yourselves when you opt-in to the races and try them out, even for one spin) during the last 24 hours:


Yesterday's Battle Royal Race at 9pm CET (the race with the biggest prize pool) : 38 racers, out of whom 10 won a prize


One of today's RIZK RACEs: 03:30 am: 3 racers and all 3 of them won a prize. Quite nice!


Today's BREAKFAST RACE: 12 racers, out of whom 5 racers won a prize.

...Wow. :rolleyes: I was banned without warning for playing the risk race too much. Pelluri claims the same thing happened to him although his ban was heaved for being a VIP member. Y'all ban anybody who play them too much without any warning and in the next breath express a wish to have more race players. I came from VideoSlots where you automatically join every single race. Each spin you perform counts towards a race. How was I supposed to know that rizk bans anybody who do the very same thing that's encouraged on thé most popular online casino in the world?

I just felt like I should clarify this comment cuz I was being a bit unclear. I said I got banned which could be misunderstood; what I meant was that I got banned from the races and not banned from Rizk in general. So no money has been confiscated or anything of that nature and it's obviously their choice who they want on their site.

I just found it funny and ironic when the rep said "we would like to see more players playing them" while there are multiple players in this very thread who were banned without any warning for.. playing them. That was all. :thumbsup:
 

Broke

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Kinda weird how the names Peluri listed disappeared after Peluri's post. But hey, nothing to see here, cos they say so.
 

bamberfishcake

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@Sebastian - Rizk

Thank you for your attention and the open discussion. I play Rizk regularly and have said before this is down to the service and care from your team.

During the game specific races you do tend to see the same names but I think this is due to a couple of things; these users are willing to throw more money at the races than others and understand, maybe, that staying to the finish can mean a prize even if you've had a bad run. I have held the course and won a prize after finishing down from my starting balance at race end. Lots of people start and drop out if the games not playing. There really is just a handful of people racing towards the end of some of these races and it tends to be the same names. This could be why we are seeing the same people winning but we do not know how much their spending. If you can win £500/£1000/£1500 then I would bet my house people have actually won these prizes following a general loss on balance over the race just by staying the course.

I would like to know the following by the end of this discussion please:

1) Are Rizk going to make the standard races fair by limiting races to the games which are available, equally, to all participants?

Simply put, if there is a game which is not available to one racer but available to another then the race will be unfair.

2) Can you clarify the ruling around users being banned for too much participation please?

Thanks for your help and patience.
 
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