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IF I were to ever play at a Rival again, I'd have to say that the only one(s) who would ever get my business would be Slotocash (which has been confirmed to be independently owned), and perhaps yours...
BOX 24 is not owned by BC unless the tree added another branch but I believe it is independently owned.

Even more impressive, they are the first Rival casino licensee (afaik) to clarify in their TandC's (without having to be prompted by a member of this forum:rolleyes:) that progressives are exempt from the daily, weekly, and monthly withdrawal payout limits! So maybe BOX 24 has possibilities.
 
What would you like me to do? Load their web page and apologize to my monitor?

No, an apology to the rep should suffice since it was to him you directed your inappropriate comments.

Read the Forum Rules:
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The Rules are there for a reason and they apply to everyone, including you, regardless of how 'upset' you may be at that particular moment.
 
This is not the first time I have asked the question, nor is it the first time a Rival rep has chosen to avoid it:

Why do you allow American players, knowing full well that doing so will expose you to facing time in a federal prison if you ever set foot on US soil, but you have barred Canadians, and now Israelis?

So you can choose to continue to ignore the question and I will simply draw my own conclusions.

It is still possible to find processors prepared to stand up to the US ban, so it is possible to pay US players. In the case of Israel, it has become impossible to pay players, so it follows that deposits should not be taken from them until a payment solution has been found that services Israel.
Rival executives DO have to balance this business decision with the personal risk to them were they to ever find themselves on US soil, even if this is merely for a flight transfer at a US airport. Other execs and operators HAVE been caught under similar circumstances, and suffered the consequences. In Canada, they can be at risk merely from staying at home.

The problem is that Rival REFUSE TO EXPLAIN, and without this, the decision to accept US players where the transfer of money IS ILLEGAL, yet ban Canadian's where it is NOT illegal (and where any laws that DO exist are not enforced with any sign of enthusiasm), completely defies logic, therefore gets explained away by such things as basic prejudice and "bigotry" towards particular countries, or indeed races (which IS completely illogical).
Those who are on the other end of these seemingly illogical bans are also the ones who take it PERSONALLY, and WILL be pretty blunt about it.
I feel the same about casinos that treat me as some kind of "second class" member of this online community of gamblers simply because I am British, rather than because of anything I, personally, have done.

If Rival casinos found they could no longer pay US players, I am sure they will be banned, just like the Israelis.

The problem here seems to (again) be one of poor communications between departments. This player should not have been able to REGISTER, let alone get to the stage of winning, and finding their account locked. Worse, it should have been the CS that informed the player of these issues, it should NOT have become a public "slanging match" caused by a player having an account locked, and money confiscated, without there being any obvious reason offered by means of explanation (which usually makes players believe they are in the process of getting "screwed over" by the casino in question).

Canada is probably down to the legal issues, including the lawsuit over breach of contract.
 
That's my opinion Nicholas....sorry. But again, I'll say that I think you are a very good rep here. And I think you do an outstanding job, given the circumstances.

Did you ever get the bosses to agree to pay out progressives in a lump sum, as they should be? Because to say that progresssives aren't an issue, doesn't really cut it...if you dole out a progressive win in payments of 4K a week or whatever your limits are. There is NO reason in the world that a progressive shouldn't be paid all at once. It doesn't come from the parent company and/or the casino in question. It SHOULD come from a fund that keeps those progressive donations entirely separate. When it's won, it should be paid.

Nothing personal at all Nicholas...I think you're great. I just hate the company you work for..and think they are about as dishonest as they come.

I get your point re: RTG's/rogues. IF I were to ever play at a Rival again, I'd have to say that the only one(s) who would ever get my business would be Slotocash (which has been confirmed to be independently owned), and perhaps yours...and that would be solely down to you. However, if your operation is a "white label" of the Bonne Chance/Silverstone group...then even you'd be out of the running....as I would refuse to give them a cent of my money. JMO...and nothing you should take personally.

I don't take it personally at all. I agree with you that we do need to get our jackpots out without weekly limits. We plan on changing this. Our exact contract with Rival, which is not just a check box of 'white label'/'not-white labe'... it is much more complex than that and I can't give you exact details.

But rest assured we are independently owned and run, with few main shareholders and many smaller investors.

We acknowledged that you guys were right about the auto banning system and we made changes. We acknowledge you are right about the progressive jackpots and we will change this. We also want to get payouts out within 24 hours.

The thing is, operating a casino and delivering each promise, has a lot more to it than meets the eye. We are slowly working to provide really everything you guys want. But you need to give us time. We deal with serious challenges behind the scenes which players many times don't even realize... and when they don't it is because it was handled well.

Few of the issues we deal with are published. The ones that are, can give you an idea of the type of hurdles; like the time BoDog lost $24 million to a processor going down. For a company to operate like that, they need to have that kind of money in reserves to deal with a loss of $24 million and not have it affect cash flow.

We plan on delivering what you want, but balancing it out with operating our business responsibly so that I can boast that we pay on time, every time. And we do. When we do finally announce we pay out within 24 hours, there will be no exceptions, not even if we don't get paid.

I have to say that Nicolas is the best casino affiliate manager that I have ever worked with. Kudos to you you Nick :thumbsup:

Thanks! You got me blushin' :oops:

It is still possible to find processors prepared to stand up to the US ban, so it is possible to pay US players. In the case of Israel, it has become impossible to pay players, so it follows that deposits should not be taken from them until a payment solution has been found that services Israel.
Rival executives DO have to balance this business decision with the personal risk to them were they to ever find themselves on US soil, even if this is merely for a flight transfer at a US airport. Other execs and operators HAVE been caught under similar circumstances, and suffered the consequences. In Canada, they can be at risk merely from staying at home.

The problem is that Rival REFUSE TO EXPLAIN, and without this, the decision to accept US players where the transfer of money IS ILLEGAL, yet ban Canadian's where it is NOT illegal (and where any laws that DO exist are not enforced with any sign of enthusiasm), completely defies logic, therefore gets explained away by such things as basic prejudice and "bigotry" towards particular countries, or indeed races (which IS completely illogical).
Those who are on the other end of these seemingly illogical bans are also the ones who take it PERSONALLY, and WILL be pretty blunt about it.
I feel the same about casinos that treat me as some kind of "second class" member of this online community of gamblers simply because I am British, rather than because of anything I, personally, have done.

If Rival casinos found they could no longer pay US players, I am sure they will be banned, just like the Israelis.

The problem here seems to (again) be one of poor communications between departments. This player should not have been able to REGISTER, let alone get to the stage of winning, and finding their account locked. Worse, it should have been the CS that informed the player of these issues, it should NOT have become a public "slanging match" caused by a player having an account locked, and money confiscated, without there being any obvious reason offered by means of explanation (which usually makes players believe they are in the process of getting "screwed over" by the casino in question).

Canada is probably down to the legal issues, including the lawsuit over breach of contract.

The player was allowed to register because we used to accept Israeli players. The player got banned just when play through was made on a free-no deposit bonus. If the payout would have been in 'processing' or if there were real money funds, we would have given it better follow through. The issue was he slipped through our cracks because it was free money which hadn't been requested to cash out. We didn't want to ban Israeli players but had to because of sudden processing issues.

An exact response as to why the ban was not given to the player because this was a sudden issue for which we didn't have an official reply yet. CS reps can't give answers to what we haven't told them. If you want to criticize us for not giving an official response quicker, I accept that. But sometimes it isn't as easy as as checking an on/off to determine processing issues, and we don't want to issue a false announcement.

Why we take one country and not another and how we handle banking and legislative hurdles is a strong part of our business strategy. We can't publish it for the world to see, I'm sorry. There are things which are meant to remain behind closed doors. It is like this with any other company with a globally targeted market, and they focus on some countries but others not.

We do promise to try and cater to all countries. And we pledge to give good promos, clear T&Cs, and payouts on time, every time.

And to the players we can't take, know this: We are sorry. We really wish we could take you. If e-gaming was regulated world wide, we would.

Kind Regards,
Nicolas Johnson
Vegas Regal Casino
And Regal Affiliates Rep.
 
But rest assured we are independently owned and run, with few main shareholders and many smaller investors.

Kind Regards,
Nicolas Johnson
Vegas Regal Casino
And Regal Affiliates Rep.

THAT was an outstanding and honest post Nicholas. Thank you!!

It's really nice to know that you haven't forgotten about the progressive issue. I remember us having some dialogue about this last year sometime, and at that time, you weren't really able to do anything about it. It's great to hear that you are still working on it, and hopefully will be able to have full payouts of progressives implemented at some point.

I highlighted the above part of your post, because this is one of the biggest issues for me personally. It's the whole lack of transparency thing, and which few of the Rivals ARE actually independent? You say above you are independently owned and operated...yet your website says this:

Vegas Regal ("The Casino") is a casino owned and operated by Silverstone Overseas Limited, Ingles Manor, Castle Hill Avenue, Kent, Folkestone, United Kingdom (hereafter "Silverstone") a company wholly owned by Bonne Chance NV (hereafter "BC").

And the websites for Slotocash, and Box24 (as mentioned by Nash in a previous post), respectively:

Sloto'Cash Casino is owned and operated by Deckmedia N.V a company incorporated in Curacao and fully licensed to operate online gaming by the Central Government of Netherlands Antilles and owner of this website.

Box24 Casino is owned and operated by AffiliateWide N. V in Curacao.

I don't expect you to divulge your business model on the forum, but I hope you can see the dilemma here? You mentioned RTG in a post last night, and said given all the rogues that they operate (and they do)...why would I play there, but not at Rival? Something like that anyway, lol.

The difference is that when I play at Inetbet....I'm playing at Inetbet. I'm not playing at a casino that MAY be tied to a dozen other casinos run BY RTG themselves. And I'm not playing at a casino that MAY be tied to the Virtual Group. I know I'm playing at a casino that is independent of RTG directly, and of other casinos/groups. With the Rival/Bonne Chance/Silverstone set up....I wouldn't know who I'm playing with. There's a very good chance that whichever casino I chose, could actually be one of the white labels that are really nothing more than a front for Rival themselves. I hope you get the point I'm trying to make Nicholas?

You know...I'm one of the few that this would even be an issue for. Most players couldn't give a rat's ass who they play with. All they care about is if they get paid, and what kinds of bonus offers they have. So I can see that it's not really something that would be near the top of your priority list, understandably. I'm different in that I want to know (much as I can anyway) where exactly my money is going, and to whom.

But again, you are doing an amazing job thus far, IMO. I see very few of the complaints against your casino that I see on a daily basis against the others...namely this bonus banning stuff, and this shared database. And no complaints of non-payment either. So you ARE taking care of your players...and in the end, that is the most important thing.

Thanks again for taking the time to explain things further. You are a perfect example of what a casino rep should be, and how they should conduct themselves on the forum. I'm glad you're here. :thumbsup:
 
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THAT was an outstanding and honest post Nicholas. Thank you!!

It's really nice to know that you haven't forgotten about the progressive issue. I remember us having some dialogue about this last year sometime, and at that time, you weren't really able to do anything about it. It's great to hear that you are still working on it, and hopefully will be able to have full payouts of progressives implemented at some point.

I highlighted the above part of your post, because this is one of the biggest issues for me personally. It's the whole lack of transparency thing, and which few of the Rivals ARE actually independent? You say above you are independently owned and operated...yet your website says this:



I don't expect you to divulge your business model on the forum, but I hope you can see the dilemma here? You mentioned RTG in a post last night, and said given all the rogues that they operate (and they do)...why would I play there, but not at Rival? Something like that anyway, lol.

The difference is that when I play at Inetbet....I'm playing at Inetbet. I'm not playing at a casino that MAY be tied to a dozen other casinos run BY RTG themselves. And I'm not playing at a casino that MAY be tied to the Virtual Group. I know I'm playing at a casino that is independent of RTG directly, and of other casinos/groups. With the Rival/Bonne Chance/Silverstone set up....I wouldn't know who I'm playing with. There's a very good chance that whichever casino I chose, could actually be one of the white labels that are really nothing more than a front for Rival themselves. I hope you get the point I'm trying to make Nicholas?

You know...I'm one of the few that this would even be an issue for. Most players couldn't give a rat's ass who they play with. All they care about is if they get paid, and what kinds of bonus offers they have. So I can see that it's not really something that would be near the top of your priority list, understandably. I'm different in that I want to know (much as I can anyway) where exactly my money is going, and to whom.

But again, you are doing an amazing job thus far, IMO. I see very few of the complaints against your casino that I see on a daily basis against the others...namely this bonus banning stuff, and this shared database. And no complaints of non-payment either. So you ARE taking care of your players...and in the end, that is the most important thing.

Thanks again for taking the time to explain things further. You are a perfect example of what a casino rep should be, and how they should conduct themselves on the forum. I'm glad you're here. :thumbsup:

First, thanks for the kind words, you have no idea how much they mean.

Next the reason that is on the website is because corporate structures are complex and I cannot give exact details as I would be breaching confidentiality agreements. But we do have a corporate entity which has bank accounts, cash reserves, a corporate structure with employees and managers and we own the Vegas Regal Casino as well as the Regal Affiliates brands.

We do use some Rival services, but we don't have to. If Rival disappeared (which they will not as Rival is a solid, serious, well back and well run company), we could simply pay our players and get a new software. That is what I mean by independently owned and operated.

The very fact that we stopped using the auto ban system was our first step away from standard Rival set up. But it will not be our last. :)

Your feedback is welcome and your expectation of quick action on our part is well understood. It is hard for us to explain everything and stay within necessary operating confidentiality. However the example of BoDog is perfect. $24million they lost, and that wasn't profit. They had to pay employees, players, affiliates, software providers, landlords, licensing jurisdictions, servers, and utilities all out of pocket sometimes with little or no warning time.

Imagine being a CEO receiving a call at 3 AM stating the $24million you were expecting to receive in the morning to pay thousands of different things, is not going to come. Or worse, be told it will come, it will come, and it never comes. And everyone is waiting for a timely payout that next day. :eek:

New processors have to be secured and funded, capital has to be moved swiftly through corporate structures and jurisdictions, people have to react immediately, etc. We will deal with this, but we need to prepare, test, prepare, test and then prepare some more so that we NEVER have any delays, and every issue we have, can go completely unnoticed by our players, affiliates, employees, providers and contractors. :cool:

Some people think running a casino is easy money, but it is not, and dealing with issues is a million times more complicated than I can explain in public. Many casinos had good intentions but by not being prepared, well funded and perhaps even by being over-eager to please players, they found themselves insolvent and faced with the decision of going rogue or belly up. :eek2:

This will not happen to us and is actually a good thing about Rival as a provider, that they help new operators go by what maybe you would consider a too conservative standard set up (bad bonuses, overly sensitive banning, etc), but that helps ensure operators do pay, even if not well handled. So far I have yet to see a Rival casino do what happens at other providers; that they go under and the software provider foots the bill, or worse they simply don't pay players or affiliates and the software provider looks the other way. In this sense I applaud Rival for ensuring this doesn't happen under their watch. :thumbsup:

However, as I said, your points of critique are well taken, and I can assure you we do plan on changing. :notworthy

Kind Regards,
Nicolas Johnson
Vegas Regal Casino
And Regal Affiliates Rep.
 
Next the reason that is on the website is because corporate structures are complex and I cannot give exact details as I would be breaching confidentiality agreements. But we do have a corporate entity which has bank accounts, cash reserves, a corporate structure with employees and managers and we own the Vegas Regal Casino as well as the Regal Affiliates brands.

We do use some Rival services, but we don't have to. If Rival disappeared (which they will not as Rival is a solid, serious, well back and well run company), we could simply pay our players and get a new software. That is what I mean by independently owned and operated.

Kind Regards,
Nicolas Johnson
Vegas Regal Casino
And Regal Affiliates Rep.

Totally understand Nicholas on the confidentiality thing, not a problem. You have still given us more info than any other Rival rep has in the past, and I certainly appreciate that.

I actually saw in another thread re: Royal Apollo, in Online Casinos, that the rep there (EmmaL) has actually come right out and said that her casino is merely a white label of Rival...so maybe we are actually making headway. :laugh:

Another class post by you, and I thank you. I'm sorry you seem to have taken some heat here. Unfortunately you're one of the few who will venture into the Lion's Den (so to speak)...so I guess it comes with the territory. Still...no excuse for anyone to be rude to you. I appreciate your honesty, and your willingness to tackle tough questions and posts. Can we clone you? :laugh:

Cheers Nicholas. :thumbsup:
 
Totally understand Nicholas on the confidentiality thing, not a problem. You have still given us more info than any other Rival rep has in the past, and I certainly appreciate that.

I actually saw in another thread re: Royal Apollo, in Online Casinos, that the rep there (EmmaL) has actually come right out and said that her casino is merely a white label of Rival...so maybe we are actually making headway. :laugh:

Another class post by you, and I thank you. I'm sorry you seem to have taken some heat here. Unfortunately you're one of the few who will venture into the Lion's Den (so to speak)...so I guess it comes with the territory. Still...no excuse for anyone to be rude to you. I appreciate your honesty, and your willingness to tackle tough questions and posts. Can we clone you? :laugh:

Cheers Nicholas. :thumbsup:


Thanks again. And don't worry about the heat... I have super thick skin and I know we are on the right track, so that makes my job easy (I mean the company managers have the right mentality; build a quality service over time, forget the quick money).

I'm not denying that there are Rival casinos that work on a 'white label' basis. But this is a very broad term that can mean many things. It can mean anything from a casino skin (like some affiliate programs offer), to cover very serious businesses. In fact, I am sure you have played at a company you thought independent, but behind the scenes, the share holders and the ones who provide processing/funding/etc are another company. So that place could be considered a white label despite there being no direct connections for an industry outsider to find.

Kind Regards,
Nicolas Johnson
Regal Affiliates Manager
 
In fact, I am sure you have played at a company you thought independent, but behind the scenes, the share holders and the ones who provide processing/funding/etc are another company. So that place could be considered a white label despite there being no direct connections for an industry outsider to find.

Kind Regards,
Nicolas Johnson
Regal Affiliates Manager

You could be spot on about that Nicholas...in the past anyway. But it's a big part of the reason why I now limit my play to three casinos, and three only. And to know as much about all of them as is possible.

Given the landscape of online gaming these days, you are absolutely right that in many cases, we simply don't know who is affiliated with who, and where our money is going in the end. We have RTG's run by the same companies who run Top Game for an example...and no way in hell would I ever give one red cent to ANY TopGame casino.

End point...I really just wish that players would educate themselves a bit more, BEFORE plopping down their money. I think in the end, we'd see alot less complaint threads if they did.

I hope you get your apology from Roanan, cause I think you deserve it. Oh...and one final thing. IF you ever do get the go ahead to pay out the progressives in one lump sum...will you make sure and post and let us know? It's a really big thing for me personally. Thanks. :)
 
You could be spot on about that Nicholas...in the past anyway. But it's a big part of the reason why I now limit my play to three casinos, and three only. And to know as much about all of them as is possible.

Given the landscape of online gaming these days, you are absolutely right that in many cases, we simply don't know who is affiliated with who, and where our money is going in the end. We have RTG's run by the same companies who run Top Game for an example...and no way in hell would I ever give one red cent to ANY TopGame casino.

End point...I really just wish that players would educate themselves a bit more, BEFORE plopping down their money. I think in the end, we'd see alot less complaint threads if they did.

I hope you get your apology from Roanan, cause I think you deserve it. Oh...and one final thing. IF you ever do get the go ahead to pay out the progressives in one lump sum...will you make sure and post and let us know? It's a really big thing for me personally. Thanks. :)

I will be sure to post it as soon as we can promise it. And about Roanan, don't worry, it is water under the bridge. Roanan had a valid point, albeit not well expressed. I will call out someone who insults me without reason, but I can understand having a bad day can make us maybe not express ourselves in the best way. No hard feelings. :thumbsup:

Kind Regards,
Nicolas Johnson
Regal Affiliates Manager
 
I didn't insult anyone, I insulted Rival.

What would you like me to do? Load their web page and apologize to my monitor? :rolleyes:
No you didn't - that was a comment shot directly at Nicolas. Way out of line - and inflammatory. Do not do this again.

@ Nicolas - just so you know (as you can probably tell), we value your participation in the forum. Thanks for dealing with this. :thumbsup:
 
No you didn't - that was a comment shot directly at Nicolas. Way out of line - and inflammatory. Do not do this again.

@ Nicolas - just so you know (as you can probably tell), we value your participation in the forum. Thanks for dealing with this. :thumbsup:

Thank you Meister for having me here and providing this wonderful platform. The no nonsense manner of this forum is something I love, and I'm sure all the people who make up this place feel the same way. It is also something sorely needed in this industry if we ever hope to have it grow in a regulated and legalized environment.

The way I view this industry is that it is still in its infancy; like Vegas back in the day. I mean the oldest online casino is only 14 years old. So I feel that this place and the participants in it, are in a privileged position to help shape this industry into what it will eventually become 20-50 years from now. I applaud you guys for being part of this as I feel you help it go in the right direction.

Kind Regards,
Nicolas Johnson
Vegas Regal Casino
and Regal Affiliates Rep.
 
Vegas Regal Casino will now payout progressive jackpots in a single lump sum!

Hi Everyone,

I finally got the clearance that we are now going to payout progressive jackpots in FULL, no weekly restrictions.

You guys asked for it and now got! We will be updating our site as well as informing our affiliates of this change.

Our next goal is to get payments out within 24 hours, but we are still a way to go before we can offer it.

Kind Regards,
Nicolas Johnson
Vegas Regal Casino
and Regal Affiliates Rep.
 
I finally got the clearance that we are now going to payout progressive jackpots in FULL, no weekly restrictions.

Kind Regards,
Nicolas Johnson
Vegas Regal Casino
and Regal Affiliates Rep.

YAY!!! Nicholas...that is outstanding news. This was such a HUGE issue for me, and the one stumbling block (in my mind) to your casino being first rate!! I hope this means that maybe you can work yourselves onto the accredited list now....you certainly deserve it as much as others, and more than some.

I don't even play at VR...and this still makes me happy for those players that do...and who play progressives.

Well done Nicholas. :thumbsup:

EDIT: I almost wonder if this isn't worthy of a thread of its own in Online Casinos? Alot of people who already read this thread before, may not come back to it.
 
Originally Posted by rubyroyal
Just to inform everyone, Rival operators are able to pay out progressive winnings in one lump sum. Each operator can choose their preference actually. At Ruby Royal we chose to pay out progressive winnings in one lump sum.. This is a personal preference set by ourselves..
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Bonne Chance operators also are able to pay out progressive winnings in one lump sum. Each Bonne Chance operator can choose their preference actually.----------FIXED!!

Well finally a little bit of transparency. Nicholas, may I suggest all new Rivals reps. read the "TIV" and Irish Luck progressive among other threads so you avoid open mouth, insert foot.

Too bad, player members can not post in the "Tossing" thread. BTW, no one defended Rival aka Bonne Chance over the past few years like Bonustreak. She is not being too harsh to any Bonne Chance ((you know the group that thinks no one (including the US, book it) knows anything about BC's ownership)) but true to herself, imo:thumbsup:
 
Bonne Chance operators also are able to pay out progressive winnings in one lump sum. Each Bonne Chance operator can choose their preference actually.----------FIXED!!

Well finally a little bit of transparency. Nicholas, may I suggest all new Rivals reps. read the "TIV" and Irish Luck progressive among other threads so you avoid open mouth, insert foot.

Too bad, player members can not post in the "Tossing" thread. BTW, no one defended Rival aka Bonne Chance over the past few years like Bonustreak. She is not being too harsh to any Bonne Chance ((you know the group that thinks no one (including the US, book it) knows anything about BC's ownership)) but true to herself, imo:thumbsup:

Hi Nash,

I'm aware of those situations (I believe I know what happened), which is why we don't allow progressive slot pay with bonuses.

Kind Regards,
Nicolas Johnson
Vegas Regal Casino
and Regal Affiliates Rep.
 
Resolved ! the posting of regal - i was paid-

Guys the issue of the 50 of vegas regal free bonus , has been

come to a good End . Mr nikolas has arranged the procedure .

( the issue was a free bonus that regal give complementry non deposit bonus) that wr were completed , And the mangment at the time refuse ,

So issue was solved completeley ,
 
they've really a great rep and their ND bonuses are also great, but the payout% is the tightest, which i've ever seen ;)

got today a 50.- ND bonus (Super Bowl), played scary rich and got not at least 1x the free spins! lost the money after making a playthrough of only 80.- so i had even no playtime.

no complain, because it's certainly only free money, but it makes me to never deposit there, because 50.- is much for me and when i could even not play at least more than 2 minutes, then i would certainly never make such a deposit there ;)
 
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guys the amount was Paid in full , with the asistance of Mr nickolas ,

:thumbsup: ,there for the bonus discaussed was paid
 

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