Rusty
Banned User - repetitive flaming
- Joined
- Jul 23, 2006
- Location
- Manchester UK
Part 1; No, there is no 'system' to my deposits - I just deposit when I see a fairly decent bonus which does not have crazy WR.
Part 2; That sounds like a loaded question!No - I've been playing online for 8 years & and affiliate for not quite 3 years - I have not noticed anything different at any casinos.
That's not a unique, but for me it's a very strange opinion; Basically you are saying you think casinos operate like UK fruit machines - random up to a point, but programmed to give wins or dry spells to achieve the final house edge?
To me, controlled = rigged = dishonest.
In my opinion that is a totally bizarre concept. Can you accept the a real physical roulette wheel is not rigged, but still makes 2.7027% profit overall due to the mathematics? If you can accept that, then try to imagine a slot is a giant roulette wheel - it does not have to cheat to win, the mathematics gives it it's long-term house edge, even with totally random spins.
If you can't accept that then maybe you shouldn't play at all online, because if all the casinos are 'controlled' then none of us could win long term, could we?
KK
That is a fair point KK about genuine house edge and it is often used as a counter argument to the "adjusted payout theory"
If we go with your argument we have to believe that a combination or all of the following are true;
1) The Casino is run by honest and ethical people (lack of proper regulation)
2) The Casinos prefer software that they have no control over, rather than being able to adjust payouts to suit their own needs. (Surely there is a software operator that allows Casinos to adjust payout on their slots?)
3) The Casinos are not greedy and would turn down the chance to make an extra few hundred Thousand pounds even if the opportunity existed. (Adjusting to a lower payout even for short periods can make a big impact and is undetectable and unprovable)
4) Casinos self audits and payout claims are genuine (assuming they even give any)
You can make your own arguments as to what needs to be true for the "Adjusted payout theory" to be correct.
There is of course a very easy way to settle this argument Once and for all and that would be for Rival (and any other software supplier) to supply the true odds of winning combinations on their slots.
It would then be very simple to check for, what is referred to in the industry as, Raking periods, "Where a machine deliberately forces a series of losing games by use of any compensation or other controller mechanism." or Enriched periods,"Where the machine deliberately forces winning outcomes over a series of games by use of any compensation or other controller mechanism." (quoted from the UK Gambling Commission site) Any of those seem familiar to your online slot play experience?
The obscure reply I get from Casinos and software suppliers alike when requesting this information is that they won't give this it because they do not want their rivals (no pun intended) to know how their slots work.
Now hang on, I thought they were random and payout was based purely on probability and paytables, the gameplay mechanic is surely self evident. Smoking gun?
I have even shown in past posts how the paytable and probability of outcome are apparently not linked which is very strong evidence to suggest that payout is calculated by other means.
Ultimately if you want to play online, 'you pays your money and takes your chance', but that does not mean punters are not entitled to all the relevant information and probability of outcome along with many other safeguards that would be supplied in a properly regulated industry.
To be fair to the industry and those who do want to stamp out some of the more odorous practises and operations the Online world of gambling and Casinos is not half as bad as it might be due to their efforts.
There are some relatively good Casinos out there but a lot more transparency and honesty on how the games, especially slots, actually operate would be most welcome.
Here is a link to the UK Gambling Commission Machine standards regulations which contains some interesting reading.
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No, I'm with Vortran!
Also, if you look at my monthly results log you will see I only play 3-6 casinos per month, which is not a lot really if I'm averaging about 2hrs play every day. I compile my play logs as I go along - it's how I keep an exact track on how much WR I've completed.
