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Rival Slots and bonuses

Discussion in 'Online Casinos' started by Rusty, Feb 19, 2009.

    Feb 19, 2009
  1. Rusty

    Rusty Banned User - repetitive flaming

    Occupation:
    IT
    Location:
    Manchester UK
    Out of every deposit I can ever remember making at a Rival Casino and claiming a bonus of over 100% or a no deposit bonus I do not think I have got close to completing the WR and in fact usually get below 50% return on slots.

    That is not 70 or 80 or 90% but below 50%!

    Now I have brought this up before and asked Rival to give an explanation and also tell us how the claimed average payout of 95%+ on their slots is achieved but to no avail.

    So given the reluctance of Rival to prove my claims false I wonder how do you do on bonuses at Rival and if you have achieved a cashout how did your play go before and after this?

    It seems to me that if people were getting below 50% return on the majority of their deposits Rival would not be in business long so can it be that the slots are much tighter when taking a bonus?
    Certainly all the facts and figures I have from my bonus play categorically support this.

    This leaves me convinced that the slots can be and are rigged to lower payout on bonus play.

    So am I right or have all my experiences been exceptions to the rule?

    If you have had different experiences which slots do you play?
     
  2. Feb 19, 2009
  3. MRGREENHEAD

    MRGREENHEAD Dormant account

    Occupation:
    COLLECTION MANAGER
    Location:
    LODI, CA
    I have played quite a bit of Rival over he last 6 months. i seem to have the revers luck. Seems on my end when ever I am locked into a playthrough I do great!! My only big rival wins was when i had a playthrough. I have had 3 cashouts on rival in the last 6 months. Two from n/d's $400 and $60 small i know but it was max cashout on the nd. Also 500 from a 100% match with a 30x. So i figured that I would play some rival w/ no bonus. I lost 400 (in 50 dollar deposits) all together w/ no wr and could not even get above my starting balance. I have no stats or % but my play sucked. Guess it is the luck of the draw. GL
     
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  4. Feb 19, 2009
  5. ballysdb

    ballysdb Dormant account

    Occupation:
    automotive biller
    Location:
    Long Island NY
    I always take a bonus and I think I have gotten my balance to exceed my deposit maybe 3 times!

    I am getting VERY frustrated. :mad:
     
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  6. Feb 19, 2009
  7. KasinoKing

    KasinoKing WebMeister & Slotaholic.. CAG MM PABnonaccred webmeister

    Occupation:
    House-Husband and Casino Advisor
    Location:
    Bexhill on sea, England
    I honestly don't know mate, but they are exceptions to my rule.

    My results (all deposits) at 7 Rival casinos:-

    View attachment 16159
    (Da Vinci & Superior weren't too hot... :()


    I play most of them, but I try to avoid the high variance games, and I hardly ever play the traditional iSlots.

    For an idea as to what & how I play Rivals, have a look at my You must register/login in order to see the link..
    (The $625 cash-out, second to last above)
    Note: Skip the first 4 games when I went insane & nearly bust out (I was down to literally my last spin at one point!)

    I really hope your luck improves soon.
    KK
     
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  8. Feb 19, 2009
  9. Mousey

    Mousey Ueber Meister Mouse CAG

    Occupation:
    Pencil Pusher
    Location:
    Up$hitCreek
    Sometimes I get hits while playing with a bonus, sometimes not. Played with a bonus at Paradise8 last night and got some good hits -- all on the 3 reelers. Would have cashed out $550, but it seems I'm now limited to $500 wd :mad:, so I've got $50 in there to play on. I deposited with a card, so I fully expect (on Monday) to receive a request for docs and the faxback thingy. This one may take awhile.... :p

    I find the 3 reelers less volatile (usually) than the vid slots -- which usually gobble me up and spit me out, leaving me muttering "WTF?".

    Pantasia sends me good bonus offers, but I've yet to cash out there. I'm going to uninstall it. I've got to try Sloto...
     
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  10. Feb 19, 2009
  11. RobWin

    RobWin closed account

    Occupation:
    Who knows?
    Location:
    A Vault!
    Mousey, why are you limited to a $500 withdrawal ?? Is it because of the particular bonus you used ??
     
  12. Feb 19, 2009
  13. Mousey

    Mousey Ueber Meister Mouse CAG

    Occupation:
    Pencil Pusher
    Location:
    Up$hitCreek
    They don't love me anymore.... :baby:

    As best I can tell, it is totally unrelated to the bonus as there was no max cash out stated in the bonus terms. This particular bonus did have a minimum cashout of 2xbonus+deposit, which I was well clear of. I've been playing at Paradise8 and DaVinci's since they were the new kids on the block and I have become rather disappointed with them.

    The cashier section stated WD amounts between $25 - $500 to my web wallet. I tried entering the $550 (just for poops and giggles) and it kicked me back saying I had entered an invalid amount. I entered $500 and everything was okey dokey. :rolleyes:
     
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  14. Feb 19, 2009
  15. RobWin

    RobWin closed account

    Occupation:
    Who knows?
    Location:
    A Vault!
    I'm curious if it has something to do with a daily limit to that particular webwallet you are using. That's odd, I've not heard of this one before...it's a new one on me.
     
  16. Feb 19, 2009
  17. Mousey

    Mousey Ueber Meister Mouse CAG

    Occupation:
    Pencil Pusher
    Location:
    Up$hitCreek
    New one on me, too. And I don't like surprises.
     
  18. Feb 19, 2009
  19. bryand

    bryand Beach Bum PABnonaccred mm1

    Occupation:
    Legal
    Location:
    Just Across the Hudson River
    I sure would alert the rep from Jetset Marketing on this problem. It doesn't seem right to me either.
     
  20. Feb 19, 2009
  21. missmichelle

    missmichelle Meister Member

    Occupation:
    homemaker
    Location:
    Tucson AZ
    Some of the casinos let you do muliple withdrawals of 500.00 at a time. I know when I cash out at inet I can only withdraw 500.00 at a time but I can make more than one withdrawal of 500.00.

    Michelle
     
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  22. Feb 19, 2009
  23. 2young2care

    2young2care Experienced Member

    Occupation:
    slots
    Location:
    around the corner
    Mousey, when I was bonus banned at Paradise 8, they limited my withdrawals to $500 too. No notifications, no nothing. It all happened in a split second before I was even finished playing my bonus wagering requirements and hadn't even requested a withdrawal yet. I'd contact the rep here and ask for clarification if I were you.
     
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  24. Feb 19, 2009
  25. Rusty

    Rusty Banned User - repetitive flaming

    Occupation:
    IT
    Location:
    Manchester UK
    Thanks to all those who have shared their experiences with me both here and through PM.

    Thanks for putting that together KK and I see you won Twice running at the same Casino with a ND bonus which is pretty cool.

    I also noticed that you have not managed a cashout from a deposit with a bonus of over 100% though.

    Obviously though the higher the bonus then generally the higher the WR and so cashouts become less likely.

    I don't think I have heard from anyone who has won with a slots bonus of over 100% though (correct me if I'm wrong) and I am still curious as to just how likely/unlikely my results actually are.

    After all the slots are very streaky with long spells of hitting nothing at all but without knowing the virtual reel layout of the slots I can not do the Maths or be sure just how anomalous these results are.

    I must admit I only deposit very occasionally at any of the Rivals and usually take a large bonus (naturally with such poor results and trying to get some playtime) but surely that makes no difference?
     
  26. Feb 19, 2009
  27. Mousey

    Mousey Ueber Meister Mouse CAG

    Occupation:
    Pencil Pusher
    Location:
    Up$hitCreek

    Bonus last night was 250% w/30xb+d WR and also the first time in a long time I'd managed to meet WR and cash out, too, at a Rival. I imagine I won't be getting any bonus offers from Paradise8 for awhile. ;)
     
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  28. Feb 19, 2009
  29. XOXOXOXOXOX

    XOXOXOXOXOX Let em spin... PABaccred

    Occupation:
    Software developer
    Location:
    O Canada!
    I have the same feeling about all other casinos... But they can be beaten.
    Here is my experience.

    I played on Rival only for a month or two and had multiple withdrawals. Nothing was really big thought but i never deposit big either.
    Paradise 8 and TIV was very cold, not much luck on Sloto, that seems to be the most populars ones.
    The best Rival for me was Slots of Fortune and i did take 300% bonus. Their ScaryRich was really hot but it was few weeks ago... They paid me fast without faxback. Davinchi's was pretty good but may be its my personal luck.

    I am really sad that I can't play there any more. :oops:

    Edit: Dont recal exactly if it was 200% or 300% but most definitely more then 100%.
     
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  30. Feb 19, 2009
  31. XOXOXOXOXOX

    XOXOXOXOXOX Let em spin... PABaccred

    Occupation:
    Software developer
    Location:
    O Canada!
    Missed this one....
    I actually liked high variance because you can hit a big one but i noticed that they play better on 20-40c.
    I like Pigskin, Scary Rich mostly 1, Secret garden and Jacques Pot. If you lucky you can get a few Jacque bonus games during free spin :thumbsup: but sometimes you get none and then it usually sucks.
    I found that sometimes DogPound would give a good return but a bonus round was very hard to get. But it was helpful to complete more play-thru .

    I don't like BabyBoomers or some other games KK seems to like. So it's probably a matter of personal taste and luck.

    Its hard to say who is an exception but i wish you luck. :)
     
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  32. Feb 19, 2009
  33. sparkles

    sparkles Experienced Member

    Occupation:
    home ex
    Location:
    The bottom of the Garden
    Mousey

    try doing the $50 as a seperate transaction, it may put the minimum rule into play though, but worth a try, take Neteller for instance its $1000, and you cant put anymore through, so say if I had $1200 (that would be nice!!), Id do the $1000, then do the $200
     
  34. Feb 20, 2009
  35. hobobiker

    hobobiker Dormant account

    Occupation:
    retired
    Location:
    Manchester UK
    eh?

    is there a method or reason behind the figures? ie: deposit 50 at one and withdraw 150 but deposit no more , deposit over and again at another to cash out zero. and then deposit 400 at another ...win jack ...but carry on to deposit another 200? only to win 2500 ....?

    and do you find that the best returns come from the casinos that offer the best commission or bonus to their affiliates ?
     
  36. Feb 20, 2009
  37. RobWin

    RobWin closed account

    Occupation:
    Who knows?
    Location:
    A Vault!
    If you believe that then you would have to believe that the games are somehow rigged which they are not since they all run off of the same servers as has been proven many times over.
     
  38. Feb 20, 2009
  39. hobobiker

    hobobiker Dormant account

    Occupation:
    retired
    Location:
    Manchester UK
    No i dont believe the games are "rigged" as this would suggest that they are somehow dishonest, but i do believe that the games are Regulated ( or controlled) in some way , they have to be in order for the casino to profit in the long term by having an edge of about (normally) 5% . and because online its all virtual then i think that to "regulate" or change the house edge on not only specific games but also on individual players is just a matter of tapping a few keys ... and yes all the games of certain groups (MG, crypto, playt etc ) are run of the same servers , but i cannot see how this in some way proves that the games all run the same for each casino .... the servers are run by the software supplier who services the casino , but just like any other service industry they will tailor the software to the needs or request of the client , and the casino will request the software or games to play according to the individual player or time of month (bonus time etc etc.) so as to make the maximum profit while still trying to produce an acceptable return to the player.
    so ..Random !! definitly not ,
    rigged!! wrong word,
    controlled ...yes ....as tightly as a little mousy's A**hole.
     
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