Rival - Excellent variance!

[hoff1985]

Hi everybody,

i started again to gamble a couple of months ago... And i tried again all Software i could find... From Skill-on-Net (yeah!!) to Rival.

I had 7 cashouts. And 6 of them we're on Rival.

When i start with 25$ in a casino, i had ONLY with Rival constantly good experiences. Of course RTP's are not that different, but the variance is set right, that's my opinion.

I played also with 25$ in a lot of MG Casinos, only LOW Variance slots in the beginning (to get a bit more bankroll). But it happened A LOT that even on really low variance slots, with 20-40 cents bet, it went down to zero in 10 Minutes.

When i bet that low on low variance slots in a Rival casino, of course it can suck you down to Zero. But it will take a while.... The bonus features are come soo often, and when they come (except the free spins) they pay good. I think of 50 bonus features (mostly skill or picking features) i would say at least 75% of the features gave me more than 30x the bet! That's pretty OK because they come often. I had soooo many bonus hits with 50-100x bets, i can't count them, and sometimes 3 times in 10 spins.

Of course, RTP is RTP. But i have the feeling that with a low bankroll only Rival gives me most of the time a lot of playtime with a chance to be in an hour at 100-300$ bankroll. With MG you need to be lucky to be still in the game after 10 Minutes... With RTG you have to be lucky as f*** to be still in the game after 2 minutes. NetEnt, IGT and so on (the low variance slots) are quite ok, but also not as good as Rival regarding this topic.

These are of course just my experiences, please correct me if i'm wrong

If someone has a strategy that gives me longer playtime with MG, RTG, NetENT and so on... PLEASE TELL ME

Cheers,
Hoff

 

[flatman]

Rival

hi there these sites are good in the beginning and there are many off them.i played all off them

the thing with rival its all run through one central point,so youre activity is always tracked from one casino to the next.
here are som good points


A:always use the same e mail adress on all the rival sites you use.

B:never double account at any off the sites you wont get paid.and iff you do make sure you tell them and keep transcripts and e mails

C:when making a withdrawl split the amount into different amounts,then you can reverse one off them while cash out is been processed they like that.

D:dont win too much because you will find that
all your accounts will come up promotions unavailable.you could always go onto another.

As for stragety ther isnt ,many a gambler has gone bust,trying a stragety

I used one and it worked for me but very complicated execpt to say it seems like the
sytym stores youre play .

ther is more to it then that ,but as i said very complicated.

GOOD LUCK

 

[hoff1985]

hi there these sites are good in the beginning and there are many off them.i played all off them


D:dont win too much because you will find that
all your accounts will come up promotions unavailable.you could always go onto another.


GOOD LUCK

Is it really like this?? If i would win big in one Rival casino, than all other wouldn't treat me well too? Is it not just if they are in the same group???

I never won big so far... Only 100-200$ two or three times. I only played at Slotocash (Slots Capital) and Superior so far, but i think i will try out Tropica Casino also one day, because the software looks good and they have a good reputation.

BUT: I checked the bonus offers... Tropica has on MOST of them MAX CASHOUT rules. I never saw so hardcore max cashout rules... Even on 150% or 200% bonuses... But yeah, i maybe play without bonus anyways

 

[flatman]

Rival

look there are different rival groups,those that did a breakaway from the central.

slotto and superior are some off those

tropica is not but i did play there and got many a promotion and won most off them.

iff you do win i know it sounds stupid but iff you dont want to be listed ,put the money back.cause you will be penalized at the next site you play at belonging to this group.

and iff you win say 200

make one withdrawl off 100

and the rest in 25 or 30 increments.that way you can reverese some off the withdrawl anyway you like.

dont and i repeat dont when cash out requirements are met continue to wager cause the sytym will allow it,but when they check youre play and what you played

eg :disalowed games,they will say this was part off the bonus and then it will take you weeks to get youre money

they are very funny that way im having the same problemb with at the moment ,wont pay cause account flagged from other rival sites

they know exactly wot you do from one site to the next

 

[hoff1985]

look there are different rival groups,those that did a breakaway from the central.

slotto and superior are some off those

tropica is not but i did play there and got many a promotion and won most off them.

iff you do win i know it sounds stupid but iff you dont want to be listed ,put the money back.cause you will be penalized at the next site you play at belonging to this group.

and iff you win say 200

make one withdrawl off 100

and the rest in 25 or 30 increments.that way you can reverese some off the withdrawl anyway you like.

dont and i repeat dont when cash out requirements are met continue to wager cause the sytym will allow it,but when they check youre play and what you played

eg :disalowed games,they will say this was part off the bonus and then it will take you weeks to get youre money

they are very funny that way im having the same problemb with at the moment ,wont pay cause account flagged from other rival sites

they know exactly wot you do from one site to the next

Ok i get that... I play only videoslots anyways, and most times no progressive, so that would not be a problem... I just don't get how they're connected? Or your just talking now about the "centralized" ones? I don't believe that in a casino like Sloto (where i only had good experiences) i will not get any bonuses because i won a couple of times there or at another place... I mean they all know in the end, after a couple of months, years, chances are extremely high that they will get their money back if i continue to play

 

[flatman]

Rival

slotto is not part off this group they made there software RTG and play rival on instant because off that issue

look at supreme promotions always no max cash out to me

only on free chips max cash out,

the way to check is easy live chat on those sites is usually albert or kevin.

look i have a sytym too beat them that why i got an across the board bonus ban

In my expierence ,i i did try many a time,you wont win anything much unless you play bonus only they you dont win much either

Too win on no bonus be prepared to deposit 300 or more and play machines over 2 euro bets on max lines

 

[flatman]

Rival

the calculation on youre bonus play would be

an average off 10 bets per minute

so if you wagerd 1 euro a spin it would be 10 euro for 1 minute

times that bet 60 for one houre give you 600 euro an houre


and then times that by the amount off hours you played 90 pcent for sure


so if you played 10 hrs at 60 euro an hour is 6000

 

[hoff1985]

1. You mean supremeplay casino? Do they pay out fast?

2. SO TO BE SURE: What you're saying is, that if i play wiht bonus, the slotmachines pay in a different way then if i would pay without bonus? Can somebody else confirm that? Maybe i still believe in "good" but i can't believe that!

Thanks

 

[flatman]

Rival

its gambling nothing is for sure.

that is my expierence and 3 years off it at rival

it up to yourself to do the play

maybe a good idia iff you google each site then you will know which group they belong to

 

[hoff1985]

its gambling nothing is for sure.

that is my expierence and 3 years off it at rival

it up to yourself to do the play

maybe a good idia iff you google each site then you will know which group they belong to

Yeah, i know the groups.... As long as i don't have proof i will not believe that RIVAL software is crooked. And i really believe that the software won't act differently in a "bonus" situation than in a "normal deposit" situation, otherwise they would NEVER get certified. How the different groups treat their customers is a whole other story, thats for sure.

 

[flatman]

rival

well everyone is entitled to there own opinion;maybe you should take heed off other threads poster here on these sites

 

[hoff1985]

RIVAL acts differently with / without a bonus?

Thanks man for all your advice and your experience. I do that, and i went through many forum posts about RIVAL but you're definitaly the first poster i've found that thinks that the software reacts differently with a bonus taken than without one... (Or i just missed some posts).

I cannot believe that... Really. What do other members think?

 

[Tirilej]

Thanks man for all your advice and your experience. I do that, and i went through many forum posts about RIVAL but you're definitaly the first poster i've found that thinks that the software reacts differently with a bonus taken than without one... (Or i just missed some posts).

I cannot believe that... Really. What do other members think?

No you are absolutely right. It makes no difference at all!
What can be the reason for him believing that it's a difference could be that we almost always play different when we have a bonus, because we can bet higher and are willing to take more chances.
I would never have played at a Rival casino if I thought that was true.

 

[ChopleyIOM]

Thanks man for all your advice and your experience. I do that, and i went through many forum posts about RIVAL but you're definitaly the first poster i've found that thinks that the software reacts differently with a bonus taken than without one... (Or i just missed some posts).

I cannot believe that... Really. What do other members think?

Trying to make sense of flatman's posts gives me a headache, but from what I can discern from his posts to this thread, and indeed the thread he started here, he is having some issues with Rival casinos.

https://www.casinomeister.com/forums/threads/dendra-casino-are-rogues-robbed-me-with-a-lie.51810/

Buried inside flatman's posts are some interesting comments, but until he can explain himself a bit more coherently I'm not entirely sure what his basic message is.

As to the specific point about Rival's slots and how they play on a bonus, I have no complaints whatsoever, details of which will be following in the near future in a post here at CM and on my YouTube channel.

 

[flatman]

Rival

i dont think i said that, i said iff you want a big win on a no bonus play,be prepared to make youre bets higher,because there is no big win on bets lower;

and iff you call 600 or below that a big win then i apoligise;

the biggest win i did get was 2400 on a 1.60 a spin and spun around for 3 days before it hit.

everone has there own opinion im not persuading anyone or disuading anyone,fell free to play where you like its a free world

But ive played rival for a good while and thats my opinion on it

its youre choice iff you take heed off it or not

and where did i say the play is different between bonus and no bonus?



basicly do youre own research on it and it states on all rival percentage payouts are set across the group and LISTEN not on one individual site

so one site could pay 20 pcnt

and another 300pc

research is the key

 

[Tirilej]

True flatman! If you had done your research you should probably have found out that you will only get paid bigger amounts just because you are betting higher, but you will get the same hits even with smaller amounts, just not as much

 

[hoff1985]

Well, you said "2400 with 1.60 bet... Thats 1500x your bet!!! I NEVER had a hit like this, not with MG, not with RTG. What Do you expect? X10'000? That will not happen often with any software! And as i said for the fact that the bonus rounds mostly pay better on rival than on any other software i'm still pleased with the amounts i can win in "regular" play....

 

[flatman]

Rival

looks like in getting a beating here ha its good to here the views

make your own iff you saying im an disorganized player well i won didnt i.

i didnt have to take a spelling test to do that

iff you having a go at me cause i have use off only one arm then i hope one day you meet someome that can explaine that kind off disability to you

iff you want me to put 123 up i will do that too

iff you were a profficient gambler you would aso be able to pick up om wot im saying

iff you want too abuse people with a dissabilty well i feel sorry for you

 

[Tirilej]

looks like in getting a beating here ha its good to here the views

make your own iff you saying im an disorganized player well i won didnt i.

i didnt have to take a spelling test to do that

iff you having a go at me cause i have use off only one arm then i hope one day you meet someome that can explaine that kind off disability to you

iff you want me to put 123 up i will do that too

iff you were a profficient gambler you would aso be able to pick up om wot im saying

iff you want too abuse people with a dissabilty well i feel sorry for you

Who in this place have mentioned your disability?
I didn't know you had one and I don't care.

You just write as if what you are saying is fact, and it's not really the truth.
Just take the reading and writing a little slower an noone will jump on you

 

[KasinoKing]

look there are different rival groups,those that did a breakaway from the central.
slotto and superior are some off those

slotto is not part off this group they made there software RTG and play rival on instant because off that issue

There is a little bit of mis-information going on in this thread - actually quite a lot!

For starters, Sloto'Cash (now Slots Capital) is independent, while Superior is still a white label AFAIK.

Sloto did not move away due to any "issue" with Rival, other than the fact they were not allowed to take new USA players after August 2011. In any event - they never closed their download Rival casino - they just opened an RTG alongside it.

It is true however, that if you win "too much" using bonuses at a White Label Rival you can get "bonus banned" at all of them.
I have had this happen to me personally, so I know that for a fact!
However, the individual casinos do have the power to override this ban if they see fit.
(My current situation is I have bonus offers at about half the white labels, and none at all at the others)

Players should remember though that bonuses are a privilege, not a right, and any casino (Rival or other) are well within their rights to stop bonus offers to anyone for any reason.

KK

 

[flatman]

disability

well it must show ;and it does

i will take heed off that advice

look gambling is gambling thers no gaureenteeeeees on itttt

so wot ever type off person you were made has no effect on me

hopefully one day i could meet you in a poker contest not online

you would be the perfect candicate,you make an assumption

how on earth do you thimk poker players win

the answer is by reading characters like you

 

[hoff1985]

@flatman: Who mentioned disability???

@kk: thanks...!! Thats what i thought. I don't care that much about bonuses, and i don't play at white labels anyways except superior sometimes, but right now only at slots capital. And with a lot of fair low variance slots like at Rival i don't need a huge bankroll to start...

I just think it's not fair to bash Rival as software because they do no different than the others...!

 

[Nifty29]

@flatman: Who mentioned disability???

@kk: thanks...!! Thats what i thought. I don't care that much about bonuses, and i don't play at white labels anyways except superior sometimes, but right now only at slots capital. And with a lot of fair low variance slots like at Rival i don't need a huge bankroll to start...

I just think it's not fair to bash Rival as software because they do no different than the others...!

Flatman mentioned disability when nearly everyone said they couldn't understand his posts.

You state you're an ambulance driver I.e. paramedic. How do you manage that with one arm? Isn't it illegal to drive? If you do and it is legit and you're a paramedic then kudos to you and I mean that.

However, in my experience, people with disabilities that cause them issues with writing etc will tell you upfront so that others know it isn't because they're uneducated or lazy etc.....and in my experience nobody has EVER called these members out on anything about how they post (what they post is a different matter)

If you do have such a disability, then you're obviously one of those who likes to wait until people remark about the legibility of their posts and then try to lay the guilt trip on them. Might work with some, but not me....because the content of many of your posts is the real problem, and disability is no excuse for passing off opinions as facts, insulting other members, and, as it will likely turn out, lying to make your complaint look legitimate.

A disability doesn't stop someone being a tosser (general comment not directed at you)

 

[flatman]

lap dog

hello lap dog how do you know wot type off disability i have

you are a very jump to a conclusion person

iff you know so much about those kind off dissability i suggest you catch upon driving and jobs for people with dissabilitys

mine is a on and off so my finger tips go dead ,just like youre brain seems to be,but yours is permanant dead and mine not.

as far as im concernd you are brain dead

 

[Nifty29]

After checking the forum rules, and noting that sharing of private messages should involve "use of discretion" and is not outright banned, I am going to do what I seldom do and post what flatman just sent me.

My reason is that it affects the forum as a whole and members should be made aware of just how dodgy this guy really is...think of it as a community service.

DENDRA
actually i dont have a dissability;but the e mails from DENDRA i do have ,from old managment, and new.

so there i am right
the writting is done on purpose how do you think i get too read people

rival might say i conned them

all i did was win

on sevral sites,but the last one took the cake with string off lies

take it anyway u like.

I would beat you now in poker same like others dont misread people .you get ripped off

I rest my case.