Rimina49 vs Bob casino

Borgie

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I would also add that if fraud is suspected and the evidence is provided to whoever -the Pogg or Max etc then they will not be posting it all over the forum for anyone to see. Many unscrupulous people are eager to see how they can commit fraud and hopefully get away with it so it would be bonkers to give examples of these on a public forum where they can get ideas of how to commit such fraud
 

Mouche12

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If you're determined to get a straight answer to a straight question, why not bring the matter to court? The judge will surely give you one.
 

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I would also add that if fraud is suspected and the evidence is provided to whoever -the Pogg or Max etc then they will not be posting it all over the forum for anyone to see. Many unscrupulous people are eager to see how they can commit fraud and hopefully get away with it so it would be bonkers to give examples of these on a public forum where they can get ideas of how to commit such fraud
This way online casinos could justify any confiscation (and also casino fraud). Absolutely ANY. Just imagine a hearing at the court where the final sentence is made but no single detail of the case was given away ‘for the sake of future crimes’ prevention’. An absurd? Absolutely.
By the way, not Pogg and not Homerbert ever claimed that the information regarding my case cannot be disclosed. They only refused to communicate with me (as always, no explanation given).

Taking the case to court? I don’t rule it out. Sometimes, getting a fair treatment is an incentive in itself. At the end, somebody should burst the ‘no disclosure’ myth. I will wait for Bob casino reply for a couple more days and , if not received, will then file a PAB again. If unsuccessful - I will go the legal way. Meanwhile, I will appreciate any legal advise from the users of this forum. You may PM me at this forum. Thank you.
 
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PAB sounds good, but are you sure this time? I can’t keep up. Yes, no, yes.... :rolleyes:

Good luck.
 
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Borgie

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This way online casinos could justify any confiscation (and also casino fraud). Absolutely ANY. Just imagine a hearing at the court where the final sentence is made but no single detail of the case was given away ‘for the sake of future crimes’ prevention’. An absurd? Absolutely.
By the way, not Pogg and not Homerbert ever claimed that the information regarding my case cannot be disclosed. They only refused to communicate with me (as always, no explanation given).

Taking the case to court? I don’t rule it out. Sometimes, getting a fair treatment is an incentive in itself. At the end, somebody should burst the ‘no disclosure’ myth. I will wait for Bob casino reply for a couple more days and , if not received, will then file a PAB again. If unsuccessful - I will go the legal way. Meanwhile, I will appreciate any legal advise from the users of this forum. You may PM me at this forum. Thank you.

Are you waiting for Bob Casino to reply here ? I really don't think that will happen.

You can dispute the no disclosure myth as you say all you wish but both Pogg and Max will not disclose it if they feel it is detrimental or wrong to do so - we trust them here so if they say they have evidence we accept that. If you cant accept it then that of course is up to you but if you do a PAB you won't necessarily get to see all the stuff you are hoping to see !
 

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Hello again,

I have decided to reopen my PAB, if still possible. Thank you.

Please reply to my question in your original Ticket.
Thank you for your cooperation.

Regards,
Max Drayman
Player Arbitration (PAB) Manager, Casinomeister.com
 

Rimina49

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Please reply to my question in your original Ticket.
Thank you for your cooperation.

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Max Drayman
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Hello Maxd, do you have any update for me?
 

maxd

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Hello Maxd, do you have any update for me?

On 08 November I asked you some important questions in your original PAB Ticket. You still haven't answered those.

So the update is "answer those questions, then we can proceed". I'm waiting for your response and nothing further will be done until I get it.

Regards,
Max Drayman
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Rimina49

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On 08 November I asked you some important questions in your original PAB Ticket. You still haven't answered those.

So the update is "answer those questions, then we can proceed". I'm waiting for your response and nothing further will be done until I get it.

Regards,
Max Drayman
Player Arbitration (PAB) Manager, Casinomeister.com
I did reply you and don't understand why you haven't received it. Yes, I did inform casino people. And I forwarded a copy of that email to you. Regards
 

maxd

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maxd

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I've received a good body of evidence against this player from the casino and am convinced they had sufficient grounds for their decision in this case. PAB closed.
 

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mack341

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Apparently so. From the Terms:

Oh right, so MGA players get a further opportunity to have their complaint looked at, interesting if the ukgc set up an ombudsman whether the same recourse will be available. Due to the european law the ukgc won't be able to remove the adr option I guess, so it could end up being similar to the mga system with the ombudsman being the final option [unless the player wishes to take the matter to court]

Having just been reading the heavy discussion in this thread:

https://www.casinomeister.com/forums/threads/casinomeister-the-ukgc-and-being-an-adr.70020/page-2
I feel a strong need not to comment any further here :p
 

maxd

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So it was a waste of time bringing it here in the first place?

Not at all, we're free to look at the case. The only question is whether the casino is willing to cooperate with us on it, which they obviously were. Having a designated ADR does not preclude a casino from discussing the case with another ADR, with the usual exception that if the case is already in progress at their designated ADR then they're unlikely to enter into discussions with a second ADR. There are exceptions in very special circumstances.

Can a casino change whose its ADR? Or is that set in the license?

So far as I know there is no jurisdiction where a casino's designated ADR is set by the licensing body. The only exception I'm aware of is Kahnawake where the ADR of choice is their own in-house dispute arbitration service (which is excellent by the way). In all the other relevant cases I'm aware of the casino designates the ADR, not the licensing body.

In all jurisdictions -- including Kahnawake -- the casino is free to deal with whatever ADR they chose to on an per-case basis or as a ongoing policy. The "designated ADR" is generally considered to be a "recommended ADR" with no intention to exclude other ADRs. Even the UKGC has said this although they've not made it explicit in their
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(Licence conditions and codes of practice) which to the casual reader seems to imply otherwise.

The fact that many casinos -- especially the large corporatised casino groups like Ladbrokes, WillHill, etc -- ignore the "recommended" bit and refuse to talk to anyone but their designated ADR is a corporate decision not something dictated by license or law. This is a battle we've been fighting for many years. See Casino Industry Myths: The Data Protection Act (DPA) and Casino Industry Myths: The General Data Protection Regulation ("GDPR"), not to mention Who are the GDPR violators?, for some historical perspective on this.
 
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