Rimina49 vs Bob casino

Rimina49

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Baku
Bob Casino (part of N1 casino group) has confiscated 1057 euro from me. The casino has asked me for the documents: passport and bill. Provided. The casino has asked for the selfie with passport. Provided. The casino has asked me the selfie with paper saying “Hi Bob casino”. Provided. The casino asked for the selfie with their casino and chat opened on the background. Provided. The casino has requested a skype video conference with me. Provided. During the skype video conference the only question that I was asked was about my name and a date of birth. One hour after Skype video conference I got this email from casino: “Our security service has identified activity in your account, which is classified as fraud. Also we determined that you provided incorrect information about personal data during registration. In this regard, your account has been closed.”
WHEN THERE LEFT NOTHING ELSE TO REQUEST FROM ME - I WAS DECLARED A FRAUD: RIGHT AFTER A SKYPE VIDEO SESSION WITH THE ONE AND ONLY QUESTION ABOUT MY NAME AND AGE. THIS IS SO RIDICULOUS THAT I DON’T HAVE WORDS TO DESCRIBE WHAT I FEEL.
Please, help me.
 

TheAddict

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If they asked you all those things one after the other i assume they found nothing wrong with each request. Sounds almost as if the last few were just a waste of time.
 

Rimina49

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If they asked you all those things one after the other i assume they found nothing wrong with each request. Sounds almost as if the last few were just a waste of time.
Yes, they did ask for all these documents one after another (5 or 6 consecutive requests). The last request was for the Skype video conference. They clearly saw me talking to them. I was asked for my name and age. Only. One hour later I got an email about my winnings being confiscated and me being a fraud.
 

homerbert

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Hey @Rimina49 !

I've checked your case.

You've already lost your case at Thepogg and if you want to continue here - please submit a PAB. We have zero tolerance for any kind of abuse and fraudsters. Therefore my reply to you here is final and I will not discuss anything with you here.

Br,

V.
 

maxd

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@Rimina49 : I see you started this thread within minutes of having filed your PAB a couple days ago.
Have you read the Player Arbitration Policies and Procedures ? If you had you would know that posting like this while you have a corresponding PAB in progress could damage or kill your PAB.

Given the circumstances I'm changing the thread title until this matter is resolved.

I strongly encourage you to stop posting here and wait for the PAB to run its course.
 
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mrhowwoll

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@Rimina49 : I see you started this thread within minutes of having filed your PAB a couple days ago.
Have you read the Player Arbitration Policies and Procedures ? If you had you would know that posting like this while you have a corresponding PAB in progress could damage or kill your PAB.

Given the circumstances I'm changing the thread title until this matter is resolved.

I strongly encourage you to stop posting here and wait for the PAB to run its course.
thought the same. Nope they probably didn't/ I mean who reads nowadays?
 

Rimina49

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Actually, I would like to cancel my PAB regarding Bob casino.
I did not lose any case with the Pogg. He just claimed that he supports casino’s claim that somebody other is OPERATING my account. No single proof given, though. That is it.
Let me remind you all that the whole N1 group (of which Bob casino is a part) is getting a royal treatment at the Pogg affiliate website. They are part of his “best of the best” casinos program. Should I expect any fair treatment from the Pogg with such an obvious conflict of interests present?
Now, one more time, the casino representative refuses to discuss the issue. I described my situation as it is and now let the community decide if what is happening here is a “player’s fraud” or may be a “casino’s fraud”? I provided 6 documents (one by one) for the casino. I provided everything they asked for including video conference.
Still the casino and their affiliate the Pogg claim that I am not the one who actually OPERATE my account. How on Earth can they prove this ridiculous claim? They obviously cannot. That is why they keep calling me fraudster without SINGLE proof.
Actually, I have an idea why Bob casino is making these troubles to me. Before I played at Bob casino - I claimed several bonuses at other SoftSwiss casinos (N1 are also closely related to Softswiss) and, by the way, lost ALL of them. Probably, I was marked as a bonus hunter within this big group. This is where my troubles started. Request after request in the hope to catch me on something. When nothing worked - I was just named a fraudster with my legitimate winnings stolen.
I have a zero tolerance to casino fraud - this is why I am here and make the story known to the wide public.

Once again, I ask to cancel my PAB and let me continue posting here.
 

maxd

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... I ask to cancel my PAB and let me continue posting here.

As you wish, PAB cancelled. However, your right to continue posting here is entirely dependent on your compliance with the Forum Rules.
 

ThePOGG

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As the complainant has already been informed we are no longer representing them and will not discuss their case further.

However, for the record, the operator in question actually resides on our Blacklist. We have no commercial relationship with this operator what-so-ever. We work with their license holder to resolve complaints. We work with other companies who use this license. But any suggestion that we are remunerated in any way, shape or form for managing complaints against the Playamo Partners properties is entirely without basis in fact.

TP
 

Hydr0

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OZ
Hi Rimina,

Why waste your time further with this casino? I obviously don’t know all the details, but that KYC process sounds like BS.

Do you have money in your account? If not, just move on mate. It’s not worth the hassle.

You’ve got other choices of online casinos out there that will value your business without the unnecessary stress this scenario is clearly causing.

Best....

Edit: I just noticed that you stated your winnings were confiscated, and your account closed. Never a good feeling. Like SpinUK states above, why cancel the PAB if you feel you’ve been wronged? If there’s any chance whatsoever that your aren’t being completely honest as to the reasons behind the confiscation and account closure, my advice would be to walk away before things get messy. The truth will come out eventually if you go on.
 
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Rimina49

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As the complainant has already been informed we are no longer representing them and will not discuss their case further.

However, for the record, the operator in question actually resides on our Blacklist. We have no commercial relationship with this operator what-so-ever. We work with their license holder to resolve complaints. We work with other companies who use this license. But any suggestion that we are remunerated in any way, shape or form for managing complaints against the Playamo Partners properties is entirely without basis in fact.

TP
Hello Pogg,

Here I attach the screenshot from your website. N1 casino is listed amongst the so called “deposit-guarantee” casinos on your website. As far as I understand - these are the most trustworthy casinos according to your website opinion. Correct me if I am wrong.

Regards
 

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ThePOGG

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Hello Pogg,

Here I attach the screenshot from your website. N1 casino is listed amongst the so called “deposit-guarantee” casinos on your website. As far as I understand - these are the most trustworthy casinos according to your website opinion. Correct me if I am wrong.

Regards

N1 Interactive is a white label platform. A centralised license that is provided to many different companies. We serve as the ADR for the license provider (without charge to the license provider). That does not automatically mean that we work with any particular sub-licensee. If you want to understand our relationship with the specific company that you complained about, you'd be better off looking at the listing for that particular property.

No further response will be offered.

TP
 

Rimina49

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N1 Interactive is a white label platform. A centralised license that is provided to many different companies. We serve as the ADR for the license provider (without charge to the license provider). That does not automatically mean that we work with any particular sub-licensee. If you want to understand our relationship with the specific company that you complained about, you'd be better off looking at the listing for that particular property.

No further response will be offered.

TP
Ok, I have found the Bob casino in the BLACKLISTED section at your website. This is how you define the list members: “This rogue casino list was created to help you avoid the bad casinos…”. So Bobcasino is a ROGUE and BAD casino in your opinion and should be AVOIDED. Still you ruled in their favor. That is quite interesting. By the way, Mr. Pogg, would you offer me (and other members of this forum) at least ONE explanation for your decision to support a ROGUE casino’s actions against me? And why you , as well as a casino representative Homerbert, insist on cutting any communication with me? Isn’t it because you don’t have ANY serious proofs to offer? Why else?

P.S. By the way, Homerbert is representing here N1 casino (great casino according to Pogg) as well as Bob casino (rogue and bad casino according to Pogg). Isn’t it amusing in itself? And somehow these “totally unrelated” casinos have one and the same representative.
 

Hydr0

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Location
OZ
Mate, don’t waste your time being a ‘right fighter’. Sometimes it’s better to walk away even if you believe you’re right. Cost vs benefit...

From what I can tell, things aren’t going to change in your favour, so as hard as it may be, try and get past it. If you feel strongly about your situation, and it appears that you do, then why not go with the PAB, as originally intended? MaxD will do his best to help you, just make sure you’re straight with him, and tell the full story.

The Pogg reserves the right to make an objective decision in favour of Bob’s, based on the evidence at hand, even though the casino is in its blacklist section.

May not sound fair to you, but it is what it is.
 
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Hydr0

cyber chill
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Location
OZ
The fact THEPOGG have them blacklisted says a lot.

Any casino asking for a Skype call should be blacklisted. Who knows if it's a creepy manager looking to perv at a female member.

Dodgy as fek

Yep, the Skype call request is over the top. Clearly, they don’t trust this person, or they’re simply looking for an excuse to withhold winnings. If it’s the latter, that sucks bad, and is the price one pays for playing at a blacklisted casino.
 
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