Ridiculous offer from Virtual

[catrina m]

Thank you for having me in Bryan. Like I said, this has been so totally blown out of proportion. And not one of you are willing to listen to me. So I don't know what else to say.

Say you will quit spamming people with tasteless promotions. Your a leech. A parasite that can't find a real job. You should be ashamed and apologize instead of trying to defend your ignorant action.

 

[BingoT]

It's a shame for someone to use 9/11

To tell you the truth I think it's in poor taste for anyone to use 9/11 as a promo.
And I can't say the words I really like to say (I'll get banned from here for a longtime)about someone that use that number to eat off people.It's a shame.

 

[VirtualDanny]

Virtual Danny

Good Morning - I just came on and have not read the latest posts but I just needed to say this. With all that I do, with everything that you guys need in On Line Gaming, the one thing I would never want to do is Disrespect you, Offend you, make you feel Embarrassed, or have you have a Horrible experience with On Line Gaming. It appears that with this promotion, although done with all Heart and Remembrance, I have offended some people. For that, I am truly sorry. That was never my intentions. For those of you that know me you know that was never my intentions. For those of you that do not know me, you need to know that was never my intentions. By me sending out that promotion, because of this thread being started, there has come something horrible that I do not wish to witness anymore. Wrong words being said, old wounds being brought up, false accusations being made. The thought of me disrespecting 911 on purpose for a buck is horrendous. For me to have given off that vibe to even one player saddens me. Although it is good to see such care come from a few of you here in this thread, voicing your opinion, we as people should also care enough to be open minded to the fact we all show that care in different ways. Mine was through the promotion. Right or Wrong it was from the Heart and with Remembrance. At this point I wish to ask for forgiveness if I have indeed offended anyone and that you now take in my heart felt words, understand them that nothing was done out of disrespect and let this horrible experience pass before more words are said that turns the memory of 911 into a circus any further. If you have other words, I now call for you to start another thread if that is what you wish and drop this one now. I will answer any other questions or problems that you may have NOW providing its ok with Bryan.

 

[Nicole50]

[ At this point I wish to ask for forgiveness if I have indeed offended anyone and that you now take in my heart felt words, understand them that nothing was done out of disrespect and let this horrible experience pass before more words are said that turns the memory of 911 into a circus any further. If you have other words, I now call for you to start another thread if that is what you wish and drop this one now. I will answer any other questions or problems that you may have NOW providing its ok with Bryan.[/QUOTE]

Mr Danny

That is the post which I was expecting from you since the promotion and all of us we did a wrong things some times. Now as you say it, from my side as player you are welcome with your excuses and you have my forgiveness because me too even I am in Holland I was hurt.So let start a new page and and lets be honest with each other and that is the life. So Good luck and hope others nice guys and womens here will follow me .

Nicole50

 

[lojo]

This seems a rare opportunity. I'm saddened that it has come about by pain, offense, and anger, but sometimes great good can come from such a starting place.

It sounds as if, in another thread, 'Danny" is willing to address player's concerns about how his casinos are run.

If you are a christian, you may wish to look inside for this new start. If you are jewish or muslim you know it will be incumbant upon your God to know if the offense was of ignorance and he has repented in his heart. If you are humanist you may judge the future ethics and morals of this person. I, for one, see this opportunity as a potentially powerful and changing event in the history of online gaming. Right now the glass is clear full, half air and half water.

But I won't enter the discussion again until and unless the ownership and general management at Virtual come to terms with CasinoMeister and it is announced in the Forum.

 

[vinylweatherman]

Thank you for having me in Bryan. Like I said, this has been so totally blown out of proportion. And not one of you are willing to listen to me. So I don't know what else to say. Only that I know why I did it. I just received my log on info so if there were Payout complaints I didn't know about them to post any replies to.

Eh

Join date Aug 2005

Why no posts when members were seeking help about non-payment, but 3 now that you are being threatened with losing your licence from RTG.
As for running this "every year", I doubt it - we would have heard about it here in 2005 with just as much, if not more, condemnation as now.

How do we know you are not Chris DiAngelo back under a different handle?

RTG should suspend your licence, even if just to show there IS a limit to the excesses they are prepared to tolerate.

ALL RTG casinos could find themselves tarred by association (same software, and poor reputation of operators). Reputable RTG casinos could limit the damage by asking RTG to weed out the worst operators in order to increase the standing of the better ones.

 

[Casinomeister]

Eh

Join date Aug 2005

Why no posts when members were seeking help about non-payment, but 3 now that you are being threatened with losing your licence from RTG.
As for running this "every year", I doubt it - we would have heard about it here in 2005 with just as much, if not more, condemnation as now.

I think he had a different email address listed

.How do we know you are not Chris DiAngelo back under a different handle?

I would probably be able to detect this if this were the case - and of course, I would let the members know.

RTG should suspend your licence, even if just to show there IS a limit to the excesses they are prepared to tolerate.

It won't happen. If they did, it would imply that they have control over their operators. This is what they want to avoid.

ALL RTG casinos could find themselves tarred by association (same software, and poor reputation of operators). Reputable RTG casinos could limit the damage by asking RTG to weed out the worst operators in order to increase the standing of the better ones.

It's tough. I've been on the verge of removing RTG casinos a number of times from Casinomeister. At one time I did - it was for a few years in fact.

But RTG doesn't care - they really don't. If they did, you would have seen a major turn-around in their business model years ago.

When dealing with RTG casinos, you have to rely on the integrity and fairness of individual operators. The RTG properties listed in the "Accredited" section represent four operators. Club World, iNetBet, Mainstreet, and King Solomons. That's it and that is as far as I am willing to go. Should I drop these properties and ask players and members to boycott all RTGs? No - mainly because it would not work, and it would not be fair to the operators who work hard providing players with some really decent casinos.

The only casinos that players should avoid are the ones that pull stunts like this.

 

[Nicole50]

Just play at the trusted RTG listed here as casinomeister said. I totaly agree with him and we can not boycott all RTG.that is not fair for others. If Danny Virtual want to be within the trusted list then he has to show more , paying players fairly first etc...and maybe he will did. Let see what Danny wil do in the coming days.

Nicole50

 

[SKUNX]

Question

I have a question..

Now some of you know were Ive worked at and some dont but what really is killing me is wondering how much money did they actually donate ???

I mean how many people actually deposited with this non profit organization Danny is running?

 

[vinylweatherman]

When dealing with RTG casinos, you have to rely on the integrity and fairness of individual operators. The RTG properties listed in the "Accredited" section represent four operators. Club World, iNetBet, Mainstreet, and King Solomons. That's it and that is as far as I am willing to go. Should I drop these properties and ask players and members to boycott all RTGs? No - mainly because it would not work, and it would not be fair to the operators who work hard providing players with some really decent casinos.

This is the big problem, it certainly is not fair on the decent operators, nor will it make any difference to the rogues. Unfortunately, the world is not fair. As the rogues go more and more out of control, the 4 good operators will be further dragged down. Even these 4 have no organisation that has any kind of control over them, other than being delisted or even rogued here. Players are still relying on these 4 operators to remain good. This is much harder now we have seen so many previously good casinos suddenly descend into the rogue pit, and these have even included eCogra seal holders.
We even had HippoJo, with the best credentials that any new casino could possibly have, and it descended into the rogue pit in record time.
Players who know little about all this will just see the bad and the good RTG operators making the same claims on their websites and marketing - and players will assume that all are lying if they happen to make a couple of bad choices to start with.
Here in the UK, RTG operators may find it hard to get approved by the Gambling Commission because of the bad behaviour of most RTG operators coupled with the unreliabilty of the software in terms of being seen to be fair, and controlled centrally by the provider.
Even the accredited RTG casinos are being accused of fiddling with the games, and because it is known to be possible, they are hard pressed to convince some players that they alone among RTG operators are refusing to make use of what has been provided for them. If this is true, then they are more morally upstanding than most businesses when it comes to scheming to get more money out of consumers. Here in the UK, the most well respected businesses have been caught time and time again "cheating" with sly tricks and even illegal acts just to boost profits. The only way to trust a business not to do something, is if it were impossible for them to do it.

ClubWorld group, despite being highly regarded, have participated in one UK Consumer rip-off, and that is the disguised premium rate helpline scam - soon to be outlawed by OFCOM from March 2008. If they are willing to do this to us here in the UK, what else are they willing to get up to in order to make a little extra.

 

[acepedro45]

Bryan, this is from your Newsletter about the Virtual Group:

When it comes to reputation, few online casino groups are regarded by the player community in as bad a light as the RTG-powered and Costa Rican based Virtual group. Despite constant player complaints and reports of questionable behaviour, this group continues to apparently flourish, suggesting that many players do not research before handing their cash over.

Just curious, but what evidence is there that these clowns are flourishing?

 

[bruceleo]

Bryan, this is from your Newsletter about the Virtual Group:



Just curious, but what evidence is there that these clowns are flourishing?

Well, I think thanks to their no deposit bonuses.....

 

[Casinomeister]

...Just curious, but what evidence is there that these clowns are flourishing?

I was writing that at warp speed. I'd change that from "flourishing" to "receiving deposits".

 

[gerilege]

If a software provider is clearly notified that some of its customers is almost crossing the border of criminal activity (by not paying owed funds), or does something which can at least be called unethical business practice, then it comes to the software provider to keep its reputation by suspending licenses of these customers, as soon as it's allowed by the contract. Doing otherwise would be the confession that they explicitly support those companies in unethical business practice.

Similarly if an operator decides to obtain a licence and software from a provider which behaves - or not behaves - like described above, that is also their business decision. But they have to be aware of the consequences.

With other words I don't see much difference between depositing to Danny's casinos and obtain a licence from a provider which also provides licence for Danny's company.

This example might be a bit overkill, but still. If I would sell a mechanical engineering software, probably I couldn't prevent that a terrorist buys it as well. But when the police comes to me and say that they have found drawings on a terrorists' computer made by my software, then at least I would not send him automatic updates any more. Otherwise my other customers could get notified about the fact that I still send out the updates, and they probably won't buy my software anymore. Or they would buy it with the knowledge that I'm continuing to send out those updates to the terrorist, but that would be their decision.

 

[gmac303]

A credible bonus offer

bye bye

 

[1819]

There are, and always be crackpot ideas to get people to play casinos and poker at stes. but the most realistic is those that offer bonuses without wagering restrictions, check blah blah blah

:Read::yahoo::notworthy

2 posts, 2 spams. get a grip kid.

 

[Casinomeister]

Kicked to the curb.

As per the forum rules (should have read them, you dweeb)

email: grahamedgar303@yahoo.co.uk
IP: 80.45.119.37

 

[SKUNX]

CASINOMEISTER

hahah you crack me up .. for real he called the dude a an AHOLE and then a dweeb ..

ahh thats all GUYS lets face it I work for RTGs have and will be but not all are bad .. you must learn how to put them in categories.. the good , the bad and the ugly in this case they are the ugly .. NOO rtg wont do a thing about but YOU can its IN your hands if casinos stay in business or not thats all.

 

[bonustreak]

Waiting for the next stupid Danny move such as.... get a free chip to play on for posting at CM in my defense.. What a idget!! This guy just never stops does he?

 

[lnspin]

Think the virtual guys own this site Link Removed ( Old/Invalid)

 

[VirtualDanny]

Virtual Danny

Guys, Just to let you know a few things. I do not visit the forums so I know nothing about any other post pertaining to The Virtual, right or wrong, valid or posted in mean spirits; I know nothing about them because I do not visit forums. I am only here now because I was told of the 911 post. If my players have a problem, they do not post on a forum, my players see me, email me, and then I take care of them. If they are wrong, I try to explain why. If they are right, I fix it. Like a player that also happens to be a Meister Member, she had a problem. She played the wrong games and was denied two payouts. Being very honest with you now, as I have always been so far, wanting to go out of my way for Casino Meister Members, I approved those games for play and allowed her to cash out and even approved the payout faster then most others. I reversed the situation in her favor and took care of it, all because she was a Casino Meister Member. Would I have done it if she werent? I do not know, probably because I did it with a few others as well that were not Meister Members, but the point was I helped her because she was a member. You see, one of the very first things I did becoming manager of The Virtual was email Bryan and offer my assistance to him and his members, I wanted to open up my door. Hearing all the talk over the years, I wanted to prove to Bryan and his members that The Virtual Casino Group TODAY is not the casino of yesterday that others Think it was. Now, I had plans to jump in once and a while on Casino Meister as well to see whats up and had emailed Bryan a couple times since then, asking if everything was ok but at this point I will not. Last time I visited a forum and willingly opened myself up to players for problems, questions, answers, it was about 2 or 3 years ago. All they wanted to do was open up old wounds, bash me, and act like little children. No one was willing to speak to me directly with problems and concerns. Bottom line was I offered myself up to those people back then and they spit in the face. Instead of wasting my time and energy and allowing them to continue to pull me into a circus world, I stopped altogether. It was only recently that I wanted to try it again and open up communications between player and casino with another forum and thought Casino Meister would be just that forum. However, as I said, I have since changed my mind. I can that see at this point it will be useless, which is a shame. You are not willing to open up, stay open and trust others. This is fine by me. I am not willing to change that type of person any way because they never will change. One day someone will see the importance of sharing between Casino and Player. So, for the second time you had an opportunity to come inside my home and sit down with me, yet it looks like my invitation has been declined because of the few that know nothing about how to be men. I will not be the subject of your thrills and spills. You do not even know me enough to speak badly about me, let alone call me the names with the language you have been. I wanted to get to know you, I wanted to get to take care of any problems you might have had, I wanted to share with you, but I can see you do not want that. Therefore, I will say goodbye. I shall just continue with the ones that do know me and take care of them, thats all that matters to me anyway. If you are a member and have a problem, you know how to reach me. Thank you for having me for the moment Bryan. Goodbye

 

[winbig]

because of the few that know nothing about how to be men.

What about the women that have posted in this thread?

Good luck with Virtual.

 

[phynqster]

Hey Danny,
Thats a load of Bull!!! You should know, because you saw me go through it before. You can not just flip the "switch" and say everything is new and better. I had the crap beat out of me almost everyday for months before compliments started outshining complaints. Hell I had just got to Virtual when I wanted to clean things up, and a lot of the crap I had to clean up came from you know who. But I did end up cleaning things up, not only did our reputation go up in the casino community, we also got complaints down to ZERO for over 4 months with RTG when I left. Danny you were there and had a big hand in helping clean things up, so I know you can do it. But crying like a little girl, because people have hurt your feelings or insulted you before giving you a chance is WRONG on your part. You are a big boy, listen to the Crap, Fix it, and Move forward. You will be suprised how many people will come to your side after awhile.

As a show of good faith, why not post what you have The Virtual Casinos Slot machines set at, and how many decks of cards at Black Jack you are useing. Or better yet post those numbers on your Virtual Danny page, so people can see the offers you do everyday. Any members who to see those offers, please please please do not fall into the trap of useing those bonuses, I only posted this so people could see how hard Danny works for his people. And if anyone cares, I would NOT deposit there untill I saw a countinued movement towards cleaning things up. Set the date Danny, keep things cleaned up and I will deposit Next Year.

 

[lojo]

Do the math on those fantabulous slots bonuses.... impossible to pay out on them, period.

From the player's side you almost have to hit the RJ to have a chance at the ever changing WR and then you might not anyway if you play it down to your max cashout they'll just deny your withdrawal and raise the WR again.

If you want this communities 'even break' you'll have to settle up with every PaB in the Meister's logs and probably have to change your business model so you are actually a casino.

 

[SKUNX]

I know Danny personally as we shared together and he and I were friends sure we had our clashes but what YOU people dont see is that honestly sometimes us as " managers " , sales reps or whatever dont have full reign over the situation.

When your boss tells you to something you do it point blank. Now please spare me the drama of you are a bad person , crook etc ... lawyers do it , bankers do ii , real estate folks , car salesmen my point is not defending the rogue my point is .. if you have a family like I do and you have to follow your bosses rules you do it because it feeds your kin. I dont expect many to understand my point so dont say just move on to another casino its not that easy in Costa Rica . I dont agree with alot of things but hey such is life .

Ive been a member of CM for a while now and I like it but I will say something ALMOST every member on here holds a grudge so when someone comes and tries to talk .. like wolves hungry wolves .

I AM NOT defending any casino but Danny is my friend I saw him 3 days ago and slapped him around a bit for the 911 promo but I know him I know he didnt mean to hurt your egos.. So if everybody is such a patriot now why were you even looking to gamble or checking promos on this sad day??? OH nooo but I bet if Danny would have put out a free chip many would have jumped on it.

As for Phnyqster I have never and will never have any respect for you .. YOU were in the business of looking how to cop deals with players and then screwing them over dont be double faced here Im no ANGEL and Ive never claimed to be I shed light on what happens behinds RTGs but Phynq you were the one who started the whole Bonus Abuser thing and screwing people out of their money.

I defend NO casino , Im here for my friend Danny DONT HATE THE SOLDIER.. HATE THE WAR.

people wake up .. we live in a world of business

politicians do it
bankers
lawyers
doctors
bla bla YOU live in the USA i was raised there so this is not new to you . Hey it happens I dont agree with it sometimes but when it comes down to my baby boy eating and following my bosses rule IM SCREWING YOU and im sure many of you understand my point. And I hope your not taking this the wrong way I hate rogues but these things happen..

My advice to Dannny.. bro back the f***k up leave this board you will never be forgiven since your employers have tainted your name in this game.