Revamping the Accredited Section

I think a critical point when a casino states a payout time is do they process payments at weekends and holidays, 24 hours or 48 hours is misleading and disingenuous if that period of time elapses after the end of the working week and then the payment sits there for a whole weekend.

Yes definitely...I had a cashout on Friday that was supposed to be pending for 24 hours, but when I asked in chat they said it excludes weekends, so it's reversible til MONDAY. Unfortunately I reversed and lost quite a bit of my withdrawal already - not their fault that I reversed, but I wanted to play this weekend and they're sitting on the only money I have to play with.
 
Just a progress report: I am in the process of building the new section with many of your requests included. It will be awesome. :thumbsup:

I hope to have this finished by next week sometime.

So much for wishful thinking :p

The earliest this will be done is by the end of the month. It's a serious overhaul and will be actually implemented in the forum's Content Management System. This will allow for sorting by categories and on-the-fly updates.

I've placed most everything aside in order to get this done, to include the newsletter and webcast. But by the end of this month, I'm sure I'll be done, and I anticipate a few kudos :p

The point system that I'm working on is a bit complex. I'm bringing in a number of considerations to make this a fair ranking system.
 
Just a progress report: I am in the process of building the new section with many of your requests included. It will be awesome. :thumbsup:

I hope to have this finished by next week sometime.

When I first saw this, I thought that either the software system in which you are working was incredibly flexible, or that the resulting changes which you had decided to implement were a bit less extensive than those that I (and perhaps a few others) had envisioned.

Agreed - the changes which I detailed in my posts were pretty extensive.

Agreed - based on the zero-response level to my proposed changes (chirping crickets), the ROI for "my system" would probably be really grim, as in "don't bother" grim.

Agreed - you can't create a set of criteria which excludes 98% of all online Casinos out of the gate.

All of that said, I was pleased to see that the projected completion of this project has been extended to sometime next month.

Chris
 
Out of Country Bank Checks

Just a thought about a point for being accredited (or not).

I don't think they should get kudos for issuing withdrawal checks from an out of country bank.

I notice that Inetbet (RTG) can issue US checks for US players, so other RTG casinos surely can also.

Out of country checks take extra handling and fees that in country checks do not, even though they are in US dollars.

For instance, Out of country checks cannot be uploaded via cell phone or computer. The banks won't handle them that way.
For me and I'm sure others, that creates problems because I cannot easily get to my bank. I am a caretaker of a seriously ill family member and cannot leave them alone. That be as it may, the bank also charges a handling fee for depositing out of country checks.

If Inet can do it---the others can also. Therefore they should get a minus grade for that.

MaryJean
 
I would like to see something along the lines of how well issues are dealt with when things go wrong. There are some accredited casinos that get caught on the hop when a player has an issue. Many don't make it to PAB, but the player has nevertheless received the runaround for what should have been an issue that could have been resolved on the spot at CS level, or next working day at supervisor or management level.

Accredited casinos must also be made aware that they are not to have "second class players" as a category that are singled out for a lesser standard of service.

For example, if the website says payouts leave the casino after 24 hours, this must be the case for ALL players. There must not be clandestine policies operating where "certain players" have a much longer pending or processing period set on their accounts for no good reason, such as external factors in the case of US players.

Another factor should be how verification is handled. Too many casinos have "email only" procedures, and this seems to generate "lost document" situations where the player sends the documents, there is no "bounce", and there is even evidence that they have been received, such as an automated receipt or reply from CS. The number of subsequent "please send again" requests is related to the quality of internal procedures for handling and tracking such data. Where repeat requests are generated, it is a sign that the documents have been mishandled between the receiving agent (often front line CS), and the cashiers department/risk team. It can also be caused by the email address not being configured to accept what is being asked for. If a set of documents is wanted, the casino should expect the player to produce 3 or 4 image files, and without more detailed advice, these will be at the native resolution of the device used to generate them. This could give single files of the order of 1 Mbyte, even 2 Mbyte. It is impossible to send less than 1 such file per email, and having to split them between several is not without problems because different CS members may deal with each part, and the whole may not be correctly assembled - leading to the repeat of requests for individual documents that have simply been dealt with by a different member of the team, and not brought into the whole picture when compiled as a set for the cashiers office.

Perhaps as suggested, a live "feedback" of case by case performance would be the best way to monitor the consistency of standards, and even give an early indication of when things might be going wrong. An interactive feedback system may well have shown that PL were paying slower and slower before that one player finally lost patience and posted a bitch about his 1 month delay. The monitoring would have shown that this was not just an isolated issue which the PL rep was trying to have us believe at the time by sorting out cases as they became public.

Only 3Dice have gone further, having a live feed of actual processing times from the back end shown in the accredited section. It shows us a pretty consistent 8-9 hour performance timeframe, presumably measured from withdrawal request to funds leaving the casino to be processed.
 
P S If I may

Just a thought about a point for being accredited (or not).

I don't think they should get kudos for issuing withdrawal checks from an out of country bank.

I notice that Inetbet (RTG) can issue US checks for US players, so other RTG casinos surely can also.

Out of country checks take extra handling and fees that in country checks do not, even though they are in US dollars.

For instance, Out of country checks cannot be uploaded via cell phone or computer. The banks won't handle them that way.
For me and I'm sure others, that creates problems because I cannot easily get to my bank. I am a caretaker of a seriously ill family member and cannot leave them alone. That be as it may, the bank also charges a handling fee for depositing out of country checks.

If Inet can do it---the others can also. Therefore they should get a minus grade for that.

MaryJean

I just had another irritation with a casino that I thought I might bring to your attention when considering any blue ribbons for a casino----thinking RTGs at this point.

RTG casinos have the Random Jackpots and it used to be that each game had its own jackpot and could only be won with that game. (and some still do)

Now however, some are bundling the Jackpots and when one is won all of the jackpots in that given bundle are reset to $1000.00.

It is real disappointing when a player has been playing and eyeing a large jackpot, only to find it won by someone else while they went to dinner. Worse yet however, is to find that ALL of the jackpots have been reduced to $1000 and there are no more big ones to play for.

Would said player have won any of those given jackpots???? Probably not, but it is a clear fact of the casino trying to save dollars by only paying one large jackpot at a time.

I don't think that they should get any points for that setup.

MaryJean
 
If they didn't "bundle" jackpots, you would probably never see jackpots at the size you see now, but smaller ones, OR it would take for friggin' ever to build them up, and people would complain that the jackpots never pays out.

I just had another irritation with a casino that I thought I might bring to your attention when considering any blue ribbons for a casino----thinking RTGs at this point.

RTG casinos have the Random Jackpots and it used to be that each game had its own jackpot and could only be won with that game. (and some still do)

Now however, some are bundling the Jackpots and when one is won all of the jackpots in that given bundle are reset to $1000.00.

It is real disappointing when a player has been playing and eyeing a large jackpot, only to find it won by someone else while they went to dinner. Worse yet however, is to find that ALL of the jackpots have been reduced to $1000 and there are no more big ones to play for.

Would said player have won any of those given jackpots???? Probably not, but it is a clear fact of the casino trying to save dollars by only paying one large jackpot at a time.

I don't think that they should get any points for that setup.

MaryJean
 
Another factor should be how verification is handled. Too many casinos have "email only" procedures, and this seems to generate "lost document" situations where the player sends the documents, there is no "bounce", and there is even evidence that they have been received, such as an automated receipt or reply from CS. The number of subsequent "please send again" requests is related to the quality of internal procedures for handling and tracking such data. Where repeat requests are generated, it is a sign that the documents have been mishandled between the receiving agent (often front line CS), and the cashiers department/risk team. It can also be caused by the email address not being configured to accept what is being asked for. If a set of documents is wanted, the casino should expect the player to produce 3 or 4 image files, and without more detailed advice, these will be at the native resolution of the device used to generate them. This could give single files of the order of 1 Mbyte, even 2 Mbyte. It is impossible to send less than 1 such file per email, and having to split them between several is not without problems because different CS members may deal with each part, and the whole may not be correctly assembled - leading to the repeat of requests for individual documents that have simply been dealt with by a different member of the team, and not brought into the whole picture when compiled as a set for the cashiers office.

You give casinos that do this far too much credit. The far more likely explanation than emails just disappearing into the ether is that repeated requests for missing documents are simply a tactic used by dishonest casinos to delay payment.

Frankly no casino (or any other business) should ever be asking you to email personal identification through the inherently insecure method of email. At a minimum they should be providing a SSL encrypted form for document uploads that can only be accessed by you when logged in to your casino account. The documents would then be attached to your account and no passing around between employees of the casino is required. Picture this: you email your documents to the "security" account at the casino and they are then forwarded to some CS grunt to check them who forwards them on to someone else for confirmation. Your documents are now sitting in 3 different email accounts (possibly forever given many people don't delete anything any more) just waiting to be found by the next hacker that gains access to any one of those accounts after the person who uses it is forwarded the latest trojan disguised as an amazing video or greeting card spam.

The less eyeballs and email accounts that have access to these documents the better. But with most online casinos being about as technically savvy as the average webmaster circa 1994 we still have to put up with these archaic and risky processes.
 
You give casinos that do this far too much credit. The far more likely explanation than emails just disappearing into the ether is that repeated requests for missing documents are simply a tactic used by dishonest casinos to delay payment.

Frankly no casino (or any other business) should ever be asking you to email personal identification through the inherently insecure method of email. At a minimum they should be providing a SSL encrypted form for document uploads that can only be accessed by you when logged in to your casino account. The documents would then be attached to your account and no passing around between employees of the casino is required. Picture this: you email your documents to the "security" account at the casino and they are then forwarded to some CS grunt to check them who forwards them on to someone else for confirmation. Your documents are now sitting in 3 different email accounts (possibly forever given many people don't delete anything any more) just waiting to be found by the next hacker that gains access to any one of those accounts after the person who uses it is forwarded the latest trojan disguised as an amazing video or greeting card spam.

The less eyeballs and email accounts that have access to these documents the better. But with most online casinos being about as technically savvy as the average webmaster circa 1994 we still have to put up with these archaic and risky processes.

I believe in most cases the problems are down to incompetence, rather than intent to stall. You have front line CS being the point of contact for players, and the place where documents begin their internal journey. The problem is that different members deal with each part of the whole. This model of CS only really works where an issue can be dealt with by a single contact. It can fail where several contacts are needed. What is needed for more complex issues, and documents, is for players to be allocated to a second line account manager, who will deal with all aspects of a multiple contact issue. This ensures the issue is dealt with as a whole, and not bit by bit by different people.

I have just experienced a multiple contact issue go to hell because different CS reps have dealt with each subsequent contact. This resulted in several dud responses and a needless request for documents as the CS rep dealing with it didn't check my notes to discover I had only sent them in the previous week for an earlier, and larger, withdrawal. An answer that properly explained the experience finally came yesterday, from a different CS rep. I should have received this answer in reply to my initial query on Thursday, and the casino could have saved themselves from looking like a clip joint despite being accredited. The information SHOULD also have been on their banking page, and I would not then have had to make the query at all.
 
Ah well you are a lot more trusting than me!

It should be impossible for a different CS rep to not know that you have sent your documents because the things should not be ever stored in some employee's personal email inbox. Your customer details are in their database, and your documents should be securely stored in the same place once you send them in. The fact that these people are playing email tag with documentation that can be used for identity theft worries me more than being ripped off by the casino. If they are so disorganised that they can't find an email you have sent them, what hope have they got of controlling that information once you give it to them and what hope have they got of even knowing if/when they have been hacked?

Anyway this is getting off topic ... apologies.
 
I just had another irritation with a casino that I thought I might bring to your attention when considering any blue ribbons for a casino----thinking RTGs at this point.

RTG casinos have the Random Jackpots and it used to be that each game had its own jackpot and could only be won with that game. (and some still do)

Now however, some are bundling the Jackpots and when one is won all of the jackpots in that given bundle are reset to $1000.00.

It is real disappointing when a player has been playing and eyeing a large jackpot, only to find it won by someone else while they went to dinner. Worse yet however, is to find that ALL of the jackpots have been reduced to $1000 and there are no more big ones to play for.

Would said player have won any of those given jackpots???? Probably not, but it is a clear fact of the casino trying to save dollars by only paying one large jackpot at a time.

I don't think that they should get any points for that setup.

MaryJean

You need to understand how these jackpots work.

If a RJ is connected to 5 slots, the pot will build much faster and go off more often that if it were a stand alone RJ. The casinos implemented this to cater for the complaints that not enough RJs were going off. It doesn't save the casino any money at all, as a % of every bet goes into the pot regardless of how many slots are connected.

Someone can hit a jackpot when you go to dinner on any slot. Complaining about that is ill-conceived, and suggests that doing some research and learning about the games you play would be of benefit.
 
Ah well you are a lot more trusting than me!

It should be impossible for a different CS rep to not know that you have sent your documents because the things should not be ever stored in some employee's personal email inbox. Your customer details are in their database, and your documents should be securely stored in the same place once you send them in. The fact that these people are playing email tag with documentation that can be used for identity theft worries me more than being ripped off by the casino. If they are so disorganised that they can't find an email you have sent them, what hope have they got of controlling that information once you give it to them and what hope have they got of even knowing if/when they have been hacked?

Anyway this is getting off topic ... apologies.

@ Zanzibar - Posts like yours keep me motivated, it's not off topic for an accredited site.

If you're uncomfortable with current procedures, you should be heard. :thumbsup:
 
Just a heads up that I'm almost finished.

The Accredited section has been incorporated into the forum (you can't see it yet :p) I'll be opening it up sometime this week for the casino reps so they can review and make corrections. From there it will be opened up for public perusal.

We've also developed a rating system - but that won't be up until next week sometime (Simmo, the scripting savant, is prancing around in England somewhere). He's promised to finish this when he gets back. :thumbsup:
 
I didnt read the whole tread but I hope this is the right place for my question...how comme I dont see accreditation or reviews for such casinos as winaday casino? I had a good experience with them: I won 50.00out of a no deposit bonus and it was credited to my moneybookers in less than 24 hours. any comments?
 
I didnt read the whole tread but I hope this is the right place for my question...how comme I dont see accreditation or reviews for such casinos as winaday casino? I had a good experience with them: I won 50.00out of a no deposit bonus and it was credited to my moneybookers in less than 24 hours. any comments?

Winaday hasn't requested to be listed on the site. That's why. :D
 

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