Your Input Please Responsible gambling and reversing withdrawals

I am going to play the devils advocate here. I just got back from the casino and I could have/would have, if only, brought back a few thousand dollars. I CHOSE to blow it all back. Should this land based casino have stopped me from doing so? Should they have stepped in and told me NOT to play it all back? Of course not. This is called a CHOICE/DECISION>

A player makes these decisions/choices whenever and wherever they play. Do you want land based casinos watching over your, setting these limits etc etc ...that is being proposed here? Of course not. Then why are you asking online casinos to something land based would never do?

Do I regret at times not bringing home the winnings, only to go back into my pocket deeper and spending more during my visit? Sometimes., but ultimately, it is me that chose and made the decision to do this. NOT the casinos.

I do not want to ever have to be "babysat" during my play at any casino, land based or web based. Why would any of you want this? There are no limits, stops or any other thing proposed here at any land based casino so why would you expect a web based one to set these in place?

If I chose to withdraw and blow it all back, so be it...The same happens at land based casinos.. So, what is the answer? The answer is YOUR choices and decisions, no one else's. You can't blame anyone but yourself on the choices you make.

A casino is there to make a profit We all know this. You start demanding/forcing casinos to babysit you, you will be in a world of hurt down the road...when they start limiting your access/deposits/time of play etc etc because you opened the gates to this, by asking for changes due to your own inability to take responsibility and to own the decisions you made, then there again is no one but yourself to blame on these changes if implemented by casinos.

***Caveat....When the word "you" is used, it is used in reference to no one in particular, a generality...

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You miss a major point here - in your example, you chose as you said to spunk the pay-out back again to the casino.

The big difference is that the casino instantly put your winnings in your hand BEFORE you chose to do this.

In this thread, the players are complaining because they don't have that opportunity, the winnings in their hand quickly before they choose what to do with them.

So you were always one step ahead of the online player.

Imagine the land casino looked at the chips you won and told you "You can't cash-in those chips you won for for 24 hours. Feel free to stay in your room for 24 hours or go home, or spend them on our games in the meantime. Otherwise call back at the cashier this time tomorrow to swap them for bills."

(Or on a Friday):

"By the way, the cashier is shut during the weekend, so come back Tuesday and swap them for bills."
 
I also think the "weekend" cashier thing is bullshit, most systems can be setup for automatic transfers of funds to their perspective method or have a customer serviced agent be authorized to approve such transactions, this should be set for all "verified" players.

All of this pending, non flushing, etc.... is nothing more than delay tactics pure and simple, the offenders can paint it anyway they want however we all know exactly what it is, sad they try and pass it off on all these lame excuses, I am pretty much at the stage that I have had enough with the online scene, I have seen so many horrible changes in the last 16 yrs of playing on the net, its pretty depressing.
 
I also think the "weekend" cashier thing is bullshit, most systems can be setup for automatic transfers of funds to their perspective method or have a customer serviced agent be authorized to approve such transactions, this should be set for all "verified" players.

All of this pending, non flushing, etc.... is nothing more than delay tactics pure and simple, the offenders can paint it anyway they want however we all know exactly what it is, sad they try and pass it off on all these lame excuses, I am pretty much at the stage that I have had enough with the online scene, I have seen so many horrible changes in the last 16 yrs of playing on the net, its pretty depressing.

I totaly agree, The whole scene has become a huge play ground to play cowboys and indians, Bar a few sites and operators I would just forget about on-line gambling,

I no its easier said than done and Meister should take into account theses type of things when scoring casinos, People may think not worth as thats only little things and has nothing to do with casinos scores ect, But is a reverse a little thing? Certainly not
 
I totaly agree, The whole scene has become a huge play ground to play cowboys and indians, Bar a few sites and operators I would just forget about on-line gambling,

I no its easier said than done and Meister should take into account theses type of things when scoring casinos, People may think not worth as thats only little things and has nothing to do with casinos scores ect, But is a reverse a little thing? Certainly not

I'm not sure how much of a casino's score has to do with withdrawal speed. The accredited ones should pay in a 'timely fashion' if you read CM's description. Now if Bryan added more weighting to sub-4 hour withdrawals say, it could skew the ratings unfairly against say the US-facing sites which face cash-out problems the European ones don't.

Then again, the situation is fluid as casino-world is always changing. Should it become apparent withdrawals and especially fast/weekend ones are commonly offered, maybe CM will re-evaluate this component of a casino's score.
 
From an experienced reverser :) Them wins I had over the week end are just about all reversed, I just looked at one of the accounts (bingostars) and money no longer pending from sometime this afternoon) So I will be getting at least 200 quid in my bank :) It was a bit bigger but as I reversed some I am not sure if it was yestoday or Friday, But nether the less at least thats out and on a Sunday,

From the other site I only have 50 left, I am just going to reverse that now and call it done unless I get a good hit than just withdraw and leave it,

Am I gutted, Yes but not because I gambled it but could of treated my Mum to a present, My fault? YES, Would I do it again? :) Not unless they put a bloody lock button on there, Am I moaning? Not a chance, Whos to blame? Caisinos
 
I'm not sure how much of a casino's score has to do with withdrawal speed. The accredited ones should pay in a 'timely fashion' if you read CM's description. Now if Bryan added more weighting to sub-4 hour withdrawals say, it could skew the ratings unfairly against say the US-facing sites which face cash-out problems the European ones don't.

Then again, the situation is fluid as casino-world is always changing. Should it become apparent withdrawals and especially fast/weekend ones are commonly offered, maybe CM will re-evaluate this component of a casino's score.

I understand, Its not about the speed of payments low, Its about pending times, This would not matter if you lived on the moon, Theres no reason why there should not be a lock on this, As theres no rules about pending period than if they had some sort of lock to stop you doing this than abit of credit would not go a miss
 
I think they should introduce an option to limit the amount you can reverse. As pointed out by a number of members here, when you hit withdraw, you actually WANT your money. Hitting withdraw doesn't mean that you want your money put into a vault and paid 2 days later.

Casinos have been sliding to the unethical, greedy state of mind where the well being of their players means less and THEIR wallets more. It has always been a business, but it disappoints me when they DON'T play fair.

Deposits are instant, withdrawals are NOT. Now the thing I don't understand is when Casinos have Responsible Gambling Managers and the like to promote that they are responsible and take this seriously...

Well back at the ranch pending periods are fully exploited to ensure maximum profit is achieved - I bet your 'Responsible Gambling Team' didn't see that? Isn't it irresponsible for Casinos to allow players to reverse cash they withdrew.... Apparently not.

Why do places like the UKGC regulate Online Gaming when very important things like allowing reversals and pending periods are overlooked? It seems the game is just that of who can score the most cash off the player, after all, the UK takes a nice little chunk off revenues. Responsible Gambling - REALLY?

Now players are chastised for their lack of discipline, called problem gamblers and told that its their fault. People have weaknesses, when these weaknesses are exploited for personal gain, then the game is NOT fair anymore. Everyone has a choice, whether they decide to deposit $200 or $20 - but when they hit withdraw, they actually WANT their money! They don't want some greedy operator holding on, making excuses, reinstating the pending period and ultimately making sure that somewhere somehow, at least a few people lose the plot and thus their cash.

This whole things wreaks so badly, I hope somebody in the UK brings this to the attention of regulators - Or better still goes to the media to highlight the 'regulation' and not so regulated area of payments.

Nate
 
I think they should introduce an option to limit the amount you can reverse. As pointed out by a number of members here, when you hit withdraw, you actually WANT your money. Hitting withdraw doesn't mean that you want your money put into a vault and paid 2 days later.

Casinos have been sliding to the unethical, greedy state of mind where the well being of their players means less and THEIR wallets more. It has always been a business, but it disappoints me when they DON'T play fair.

Deposits are instant, withdrawals are NOT. Now the thing I don't understand is when Casinos have Responsible Gambling Managers and the like to promote that they are responsible and take this seriously...

Well back at the ranch pending periods are fully exploited to ensure maximum profit is achieved - I bet your 'Responsible Gambling Team' didn't see that? Isn't it irresponsible for Casinos to allow players to reverse cash they withdrew.... Apparently not.

Why do places like the UKGC regulate Online Gaming when very important things like allowing reversals and pending periods are overlooked? It seems the game is just that of who can score the most cash off the player, after all, the UK takes a nice little chunk off revenues. Responsible Gambling - REALLY?

Now players are chastised for their lack of discipline, called problem gamblers and told that its their fault. People have weaknesses, when these weaknesses are exploited for personal gain, then the game is NOT fair anymore. Everyone has a choice, whether they decide to deposit $200 or $20 - but when they hit withdraw, they actually WANT their money! They don't want some greedy operator holding on, making excuses, reinstating the pending period and ultimately making sure that somewhere somehow, at least a few people lose the plot and thus their cash.

This whole things wreaks so badly, I hope somebody in the UK brings this to the attention of regulators - Or better still goes to the media to highlight the 'regulation' and not so regulated area of payments.

Nate

Because the tail (casinos) wags the dog (lobbying of government).
The UKGC like other government bodies are seldom staffed by experts but by retired Civil Servants and Police Officers getting another 10 years' pensionable public employment in before hitting 65.
Therefore there is little or no input regarding the needs or preferences of the customers.
 
I am going to play the devils advocate here. I just got back from the casino and I could have/would have, if only, brought back a few thousand dollars. I CHOSE to blow it all back. Should this land based casino have stopped me from doing so? Should they have stepped in and told me NOT to play it all back? Of course not. This is called a CHOICE/DECISION>

A player makes these decisions/choices whenever and wherever they play. Do you want land based casinos watching over your, setting these limits etc etc ...that is being proposed here? Of course not. Then why are you asking online casinos to something land based would never do?

Do I regret at times not bringing home the winnings, only to go back into my pocket deeper and spending more during my visit? Sometimes., but ultimately, it is me that chose and made the decision to do this. NOT the casinos.

I do not want to ever have to be "babysat" during my play at any casino, land based or web based. Why would any of you want this? There are no limits, stops or any other thing proposed here at any land based casino so why would you expect a web based one to set these in place?

If I chose to withdraw and blow it all back, so be it...The same happens at land based casinos.. So, what is the answer? The answer is YOUR choices and decisions, no one else's. You can't blame anyone but yourself on the choices you make.

A casino is there to make a profit We all know this. You start demanding/forcing casinos to babysit you, you will be in a world of hurt down the road...when they start limiting your access/deposits/time of play etc etc because you opened the gates to this, by asking for changes due to your own inability to take responsibility and to own the decisions you made, then there again is no one but yourself to blame on these changes if implemented by casinos.

***Caveat....When the word "you" is used, it is used in reference to no one in particular, a generality...

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I completely agree. The feature on 3Dice is optional - you can select to implement the tool - or NOT select it. And I agree completely that players need to take responsibility for their decisions. I don't think I have ever stated otherwise. Does it suck sometimes when you lose it all back? yup. Does it sometimes mean you cash out even more? yup. That's part of gambling - you will almost always lose it all back, but sometimes, you won't. The decision is your decision.
 
You see this is an example of what I find most ridiculous about these situations

https://www.casinomeister.com/forums/threads/betfred-withdrawals.57210/?t=57210

Casino implements 24hr pending with no flush possible. Player is told by live chat that "this pending period was pushed for by customers" :rolleyes:

Rep is then notified and declines to comment on the situation.

I do not believe for a second that a pending period with no flush possible is what any customer wants when they hit withdraw. Utterly ridiculous to treat your customers with that contempt. If they had at least said it was a "business decision" or the rep had actually posted in the thread and said that then there is some honesty there but no - the customers want it apparently. :lolup::lolup:
 
Complaints on casino action

I see a lot of finger pointing, and blaming and accusing of how casinos are doing this , doing that ect ect...Let me say this.

If this is an issue when you play ...just don't play online. Go back to land based casinos. The online casinos cater to online players because they can, just as we players, can choose not to play online and go back to land based.

You want your money now? Go play where it is paid out now. You want changes for online casino rules, then open a casino and implement those rules yourself and see how quickly you change your tune.

I am not trying to be a smart ass, just pointing out what others are failing to acknowledge. The choices that are there. You don't like the rules and regs and the holding period or the non weekend payment or the non reversal button not there...DON'T play online! No one forces you to deposit into these casinos. No one forces you to accept their terms and conditions. They do have them, you know them, so....enough said.

All the moaning groaning in the world is not going to make a difference to most of these casinos because what they have in place works for THEM. Did we not all agree already, casinos are in it for a profit (anyway they can get them?)

Play smart...make that withdrawal, play their game and move to another casino to ease that urge to play...just don't reverse no matter how long it takes. If players stop reversing and depositing while withdrawal is pending..see how quickly the casinos will start processioning them then. The loss of revenue is more of a motivator for casinos and when they stop getting deposits during a pending withdrawal sitting there...they will notice and they will start understanding..

I get calls and emails all the time wondering where I have been...I tell them...as long as my withdrawal is not in my bank account, I will be spending my money elsewhere. It has sped up my withdrawal processing at a lot of the casinos I play at...once I held to what I said.

Demands , threats etc...do not motivate a casino to make change. The bottom line does.

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There is no finger pointing nor blaming the casinos. We all know very well that we are responsible for our own actions.

All casinos are displaying proudly on their websites that they promote fair and responsible gaming. Pending periods (which it seems can re-trigger when a player partially reverses and re-withdraws later leading to a possibly endless pending period) and reversal possibilities are designed to lure players to play their winnings back and is completely contradictory to their statements.

Even well known brands like 32RED, Fortune Lounge, Palace Group, CR group etc, who for years had no pending periods have introduced them among other reductions in player friendly features (e.g. flushing, weekend payouts) and there is purely no logical explanation why these periods are needed.

Technology is so advanced nowadays that pending periods are not needed, instant payments can be done without any additional workload.

Yes, i stayed away from Palace Group, FL and CR group in the past 3 years, depositing maybe a combined 1000$/ year on all of them for exactly this reason. Yes, i got and still get bonus chips added to my accounts, returning player bonuses of 125 and 150% with low wagering requirements, still i won't be again a regular player there.


I see a lot of finger pointing, and blaming and accusing of how casinos are doing this , doing that ect ect...Let me say this.

If this is an issue when you play ...just don't play online. Go back to land based casinos. The online casinos cater to online players because they can, just as we players, can choose not to play online and go back to land based.

You want your money now? Go play where it is paid out now. You want changes for online casino rules, then open a casino and implement those rules yourself and see how quickly you change your tune.

I am not trying to be a smart ass, just pointing out what others are failing to acknowledge. The choices that are there. You don't like the rules and regs and the holding period or the non weekend payment or the non reversal button not there...DON'T play online! No one forces you to deposit into these casinos. No one forces you to accept their terms and conditions. They do have them, you know them, so....enough said.

All the moaning groaning in the world is not going to make a difference to most of these casinos because what they have in place works for THEM. Did we not all agree already, casinos are in it for a profit (anyway they can get them?)

Play smart...make that withdrawal, play their game and move to another casino to ease that urge to play...just don't reverse no matter how long it takes. If players stop reversing and depositing while withdrawal is pending..see how quickly the casinos will start processioning them then. The loss of revenue is more of a motivator for casinos and when they stop getting deposits during a pending withdrawal sitting there...they will notice and they will start understanding..

I get calls and emails all the time wondering where I have been...I tell them...as long as my withdrawal is not in my bank account, I will be spending my money elsewhere. It has sped up my withdrawal processing at a lot of the casinos I play at...once I held to what I said.

Demands , threats etc...do not motivate a casino to make change. The bottom line does.

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I completely agree. The feature on 3Dice is optional - you can select to implement the tool - or NOT select it. And I agree completely that players need to take responsibility for their decisions. I don't think I have ever stated otherwise. Does it suck sometimes when you lose it all back? yup. Does it sometimes mean you cash out even more? yup. That's part of gambling - you will almost always lose it all back, but sometimes, you won't. The decision is your decision.

When I cash out from a land based casino, I am usually done for the night and leave with cash in hand. When I cash out online, I don't have cash in hand, I have to wait sometimes as long as 2 weeks before it hits my bank. The feature at 3Dice will not allow you to make another deposit if you have a pending withdrawal, you have to reduce the withdrawal amount and play with that.
 
When I cash out from a land based casino, I am usually done for the night and leave with cash in hand. When I cash out online, I don't have cash in hand, I have to wait sometimes as long as 2 weeks before it hits my bank. The feature at 3Dice will not allow you to make another deposit if you have a pending withdrawal, you have to reduce the withdrawal amount and play with that.

Harry_BKK
There is no finger pointing nor blaming the casinos. We all know very well that we are responsible for our own actions.

All casinos are displaying proudly on their websites that they promote fair and responsible gaming. Pending periods (which it seems can re-trigger when a player partially reverses and re-withdraws later leading to a possibly endless pending period) and reversal possibilities are designed to lure players to play their winnings back and is completely contradictory to their statements.


I have waited for 4 weeks or longer for a withdrawal. I have also moved to another casino while waiting...you don't have to continue playing at the same casino you withdraw from. On another note...the withdrawal reset time has been there for as long as I can remember. That is not a new thing they just thought up. I learned that long ago on my first reversal...that was another added reason I stopped reversing after being bit the second time.

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When I cash out from a land based casino, I am usually done for the night and leave with cash in hand. When I cash out online, I don't have cash in hand, I have to wait sometimes as long as 2 weeks before it hits my bank. The feature at 3Dice will not allow you to make another deposit if you have a pending withdrawal, you have to reduce the withdrawal amount and play with that.

The situation is different depending on where you live. Firstly, 3Dice doesn't have a "pending period" so their reverse limit option is really a moot point. They pay out on Skrill or NeTeller "immediately" (usually within the hour). Those of us in the US that can't use those payment methods get payment via checks which are sent out daily. I know there is a bit of an issue of transferring funds internationally, and US Facing casinos have to deal with how to get the funds back into the US. Obviously they could keep funds in the US for payouts, but I doubt that they trust the US Government to not seize those funds at a whim.

That being said, there is no excuse for these profitable casinos to make matters worse by implementing predatory "pending" periods which are only designed to increase their profits.
 
No Worries On Reverses

My story is particularly sad, and I prefer to play to equally troubled crowd, so bow out if you are faint of heart..or "sober" as it is sometimes called.

I have lived my adult life from small job to manual labour to unemployment to temp jobs to disability...basically a life of near-poverty. In Canada, that's not impossible, and I have scrounged and put tips when I could get them, etc, onto my casino gaming hobby. I have vastly enjoyed watching the online casino industry grow. I was one of the first data entry operators in Canada, before internet, and it's vastly interesting.

I have "won" dozens of times; gone up in my balance, to over $50, to up over $1000 literally hundreds of times. I have tried to withdraw probably more than a couple of hundred times.

EVERY time, very few exceptions, I turn my withdrawal around. Once I had around $750 in 32Red. I flushed it, then reversed that flush, $10 at a time, until it was gone. No one has ever, nor until now that I read the concept at all in this forum, mentioned that that might not be the best idea, or that there could ever be any restriction to a flushed withdrawal.

Through thick and thin over ten years. I have likely bought at least a couple of very juicy BIG jackpots, with my own money. Nor will I ever take my purchase anywhere...not likely, anyway.

What's the point? A) Casinos, no matter how nice they are, how friendly, how 'honourable'...don't give a flying crap. and B) I feel like if I took the money, something bad would happen...that there's a hidden "drawback". Maybe it's the bizarre 'hints' in the subject lines of the spam e-mails I get. Maybe it's the 'prep' statements said out in the street "Some old guys think you're making a lot of money" (the rest of the sentence was 'on your paper route') ...! True or false, good, bad or ugly, that's how I feel. Kind of excruciatingly succulently amused; kind of doomed. But what a torture!

Cheers. :cheers: :drink::drink::puke:
 
I am slowly stopping playing these casinos with pending cashout.

These days, I spent my money at betsson, betsafe and some other places offering instant cashout.

Back to few years ago, there are many big groups with MG platform, FL, GNUF, JPF etc, then they all either disappeared or consolidated. Many of them introduces longer and longer pendings, remove flush to lift their bottom line, seems in long run, it does not work...

I used to be a VIP in many of them, and spending 10s of thousands every year at each of them. Now only see their spam in my email making me feel disgusting...

It takes a bit time to see the effects kick in, in few months, they probably enjoy a much higher profits margin, but behind that are people moving away from them.

I think we players should be more responsible for these situation rather than regulation authority , we shall all go play at betsson, betsafe and some other places with instant cashout.

cheers

plasticnotes
 
I am slowly stopping playing these casinos with pending cashout.

These days, I spent my money at betsson, betsafe and some other places offering instant cashout.

Back to few years ago, there are many big groups with MG platform, FL, GNUF, JPF etc, then they all either disappeared or consolidated. Many of them introduces longer and longer pendings, remove flush to lift their bottom line, seems in long run, it does not work...

I used to be a VIP in many of them, and spending 10s of thousands every year at each of them. Now only see their spam in my email making me feel disgusting...

It takes a bit time to see the effects kick in, in few months, they probably enjoy a much higher profits margin, but behind that are people moving away from them.

I think we players should be more responsible for these situation rather than regulation authority , we shall all go play at betsson, betsafe and some other places with instant cashout.

cheers

plasticnotes

well said... same experience here and just now starting to move on to casinos which pay instantly.
 
well said... same experience here and just now starting to move on to casinos which pay instantly.

the advantage of playing instant pay casinos are that it is very similar to play land based. Harry, do not try to build bigger enough to cashout. IMO, once hit few 100x win, cashout, it will in your ewallet for few seconds. switch platforms, and switch games.
 
Which casinos pay instantly? Do you have to have a special payment method like skrill or cc withdrawals also are instant?

the advantage of playing instant pay casinos are that it is very similar to play land based. Harry, do not try to build bigger enough to cashout. IMO, once hit few 100x win, cashout, it will in your ewallet for few seconds. switch platforms, and switch games.
 
Thanks everyone for your input, I think basically we would all like to be paid quickly, even those few who can resist a quite long pending period. I don't particularly blame the casinos, because ultimately the responsibility is up to the player. If you're consistently reversing and losing withdrawals, you need to either start playing at casinos that don't offer that option or figure out a method to keep from doing it.

But a lot of gamblers are impulsive - the whole responsible gambling thing and being able to set deposit limits is made for those impulsive players.

What I'd like to see implemented is a LOCK rather than a flush. Like imagine if, when you make your withdrawal there would be an option to lock it - the player can choose to check it or not. IF you check it, you can still see it sitting there tempting you, but it CAN'T be reversed even by contacting support - that way it would reduce the strain on support when all the players decide, "oh if only I had an extra $100 to play with." If they don't check it, they can reverse all they want.

Just off or on, no grey area like with flushing - if you requested a flush and your WD hadn't been sent to processing, you could always contact support to reverse part (or all) of it. With a lock, you could simply lock each withdrawal you make when you're making it and it can't be undone. Maybe with a message that says "If you lock this it can't be undone, ARE YOU SURE" just to keep people from crying that they checked it by accident when they're desperately trying to talk support into reversing it later. ;) It would be up to the player completely - if you changed your mind and wanted to play more, too bad. AND if you don't set the lock and reverse and spend it back, then it's nobody's fault but your own.

Or what if you could lock a portion of your withdrawal? If your withdrawal was for $1200 you could choose to lock $1000 - you'd be able to reverse $200 if you want, but no more than that. Maybe a bit more complicated, but since it's all just imaginary anyhow...

Would I use a feature like that? I think I would, maybe not every time though.

And actually it might be good for the casinos too. If you want to play a bit more maybe instead of depositing $50 you'll deposit $100 because you can see you've got that $2000 or whatever locked up and safe.
 
Which casinos pay instantly? Do you have to have a special payment method like skrill or cc withdrawals also are instant?

3Dice pays almost instantly if you are in a place that you can use NeTeller or Skrill. Otherwise, they send a check out same day.
They even post a live-updated average payout time on their website:
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Time to chip in with some home truths, My casino, assuming you have provided full ID and believe me if your withdrawing a decent amount, if you haven't been asked for something, were going to ask you. the standard withdrawal times are 3 working days, we advise on the phone it could be sooner, its not, it never is unless your a vip in which case we will process the next working day, W/d on a Friday? ye that w/d will still be pending Wednesday, 5 days after request, then well ask you for id, then well ask you for something else, the most ive seen a player wait was 3 weeks with a pending w/d we asked for dob/address id, 3 days later we asked for phone bill, which i wont go into much as it would give away the casino i work for, 3 days later we asked for a winners cheque which is basically another 7 days as we post out a novelty check second class on a Friday, its not getting to you until Monday if your lucky, and you need to sign for it, dont sign for it as your working? ye go pick that up from the post office the next day ect, once we get winners cheque you then have to wait another 3 working days, imagine how many weekends have passed now.

Then, then we process your withdrawal. Don't get me wrong this is if you've won a substantial amount and by that i mean 4 figures +, unless as i said your a vip. and to be a vip you need to be losing high 5 figures per year for us to speed things up.

now, in alllll that time, you can reverse your w/d and play, if you do reverse the process starts again the second you request another w/d another cheque can be sent even if you've already done one if you happened to win anymore money from reversing, if you lost you have to wait yet more working days ( we also class holidays as non working days )

WHY does the casino do this? for the exact reason you all think, to tempt you to play it back, casinos are a business before they are your friends, i get people call me on a weekly basis, some in tears telling me they have reversed there w/d and lost it, my heart goes out to them, but from a personal and not a working perspective people need to learn not to reverse, easier said than done i know, im guilty of reversing and losing like most online gamblers, alltho its very, very rare for me to do it, ive still done it. my advice for people who get tempted? close your account the moment you withdraw your funds, and re-open it after, yes you could just re-open and reverse, but if you do this you should be able to think "im closing this and will NOT open it until im paid" its an extra bit of willpower.

my last tip is a tad extreme, but if you win a SUBSTANTIAL amount of money 5 figures say, and you know your tempted to reverse, SELF EXCLUDE your account, this effectively stops you reversing as you psychically cannot gain access to do so, one of our players did this a couple months ago, most people in the office laughed when i told them hes done this to prevent reversing as they all said "well why cant he just stop himself" but hes the winner, he knows that £4000 he won is going to be paid and even if he wanted to reverse with all his might he simply cant, just be aware self exclusion usually lasts 6 months +.

i hope im not coming across as "one of them" im a player just like you guys, but this is reality, as long as people reverse and lose it wont change, and some people have 0 willpower.
 

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