[RESOLVED] playersclub refuses to pay 4700 GBP

[bedita]

Ok Mario

now that you finally confirmed you pay people back who loose their deposit in the wrong currency I really have to tell the community sth.
Me, myself and I, I played at Grand Mondial in September and lost everything, and I never got any penny back.
And I played as always in my favourite currency, in GBP

and Mario dont tell me you pay me tomorrow.
This is the final proof they are just a cheap rip of casino and should be put on the rogued list, not on the acredited.
for god s sake, take this casino of your list!!!!!

 

[Casinomeister]

hey casinomeister, how much do playshare pay you to keep them acredited.
They are a ridiculous bunch of mafiosi, wake up!!!
I cannot take these forum serious anymore if they are not taken from the acredited list.
go take a look at some serious casinos like 32red, or intercasino.
Or they do not offer GBP, or they are fine if you play in the currency.
Everything else I cannot take it serious, and I think nobody can, if he has some brain cells left.
and beer is the living proof god and the devil wants us to be happy

Then go away and don't bother us when YOU screw up and not abide by their terms and conditions. It was clear that you were not to play GBP. You made the choice to deposit and request a bonus in this currency. If you had read the Ts&Cs (which you claimed you did for 30 minutes) then you should accept the consequences when you break them.

I believe there is only 1 Playshare casino on the accredited list, and it is not Player's Club. They may have been accredited in the past when they were with Boss.

They weren't. Never dealt with them - only Pharoahs.

This is all so ridiculous, and I really think they should be put on the rogued list.
What kind of behavior is this, to offer currencies, and then hide the terms in the middle of pages, a normal person does not even understand what these terms mean.
This has nothing to do with fair gambling, and everybody should be warned to avoid this casino

Then don't play online - you knew what you where doing. Don't blame others for your own screw-up.

They are just a cheap rip of casino and I cannot believe they are acredited.
and to casinomeister, why dont you take it serious what I say, that is no excuse, why should it be one. WHats your problem with the UK- currency????
Really not very helpfull these people here in the forum.
I lost a lot of money because of a silly rule hidden somewhere in huge terms.
And you even acredit these casinos so people think they are serious casino operators.

I live in Europe and have never ever ever played in GBP unless at a B&M casino in London. Why? BECAUSE IT'S NOT MY CURRENCY!

Don't be such a crybaby. You were wrong.

How can you take this person winnings when they played with no bonus? It doesn't matter what currency it balance out in the end. PAY THIS PERSON MARIO!!! Returning this person deposit isn't going to cut it. This person is OWED WINNINGS!!!...

This person lives in Brazil - deposited in GBP and received a bonus. The player broke the terms - all bets are off.

We can debate whether or not currencies should match the residency of a player until the cows come home. That's fine. But what is clear is that this player is in the wrong, and to insist on roguing a casino or attacking my integrity because of this is way out of line.

-15 rep points for the OP. If you don't like it - take a hike.

 

[odair]

no bonus issue

Hello,

I am the other user that wasnt paid by Grandmondial. I was not playing with a bonus. But also I played with the wrong currency.
I since in the other thread Mario stated that they would pay deposits back to players that loose, I didnt believe and asked my neighbour to open an account in GBP. She depoisted and lost. Guess: no refund
After some weeks she wrote an email asking to get the lost money refunded. No answer. After 7 more emails and for weeks answers like "You will be contacted within 24 hours with feedback on this issue" (which I never was) she really got the monay back. I was very surprised on that. But on the other hand: this was yesterday. After weeks of writing emails. And for some coincidence exactly the day that mario shouts out in the forum that players can make the test.
I gave up on hoping for my money. They also didnt go in the trap. But it stinks to hell!

Bye

 

[BBKPoker]

3.: I like to play slots, I am just a slots player.
If I tried to abuse bonuses, I would not play slots, that is for sure

That is absolute fiction.

Let's take a look at the terms of their bonus structure:

Games as they count towards the wagering requirement.

* Slots and Parlor Games - 100%
* Table Poker, Roulette - 25%
* Video Poker, Casino War - 5%
* All versions of Blackjack, Power Poker, Craps, Baccarat, Sicbo, Progressive Slots and Games, Red Dog, Paigow Poker, All Aces and Jacks or Better Video Poker - 0%

Microgaming house edge for slots is variable on the slot, but generally range from 3.5-4.5 percent. If you question this, go look at any Microgaming slots payout, I've looked at 32red's entire year of slots payouts in the past and know that they have not paid out less than 95% ever, and frequently payout much higher, often around 97%. Since Microgaming does not allow their slots payouts to be changed by the operator, I think its a fair assumption that players club will more or less mirror their payouts over time.

So, I'm going to go ahead and be exceedingly generous and use a house edge that is obviously much higher than they have as a way of showing how fictious your argument is. We'll call Microgaming Slots at 5% HA, they count 100% for a HA of 5%.

We don't have to calculate any of the excluded games.

Roulette: According to the Wizard of Odds, the lowest HA of any roulette game on the internet is Microgaming's French Roulette, who's outside bets (red/black, odd/even, high/low) payout at 1.35% due to the La Partage rule where you get half back if you spin a zero. Bets at roulette count 25% towards the WR for an adjusted HA of 4*1.35% or 5.4% HA, which is higher than slots.

Jacks or Better has a HA of .46% counts at 5% for an adjusted HA of 20 * .46% or 9.2% again, higher than the HA of slots.

Casino War has a HA of 2.33% counts as 5% for an adjusted HA of 20 * 2.33 or 46.6% again, higher than the HA of slots.

The lowest edge table game is the Pair Plus bet on 3 card poker at 2.32% counts at 25% for an adjusted HA of 4*2.32 or 9.28% HA.

So every game has at least a .4% HA edge or higher when clearing the wagering requirements of this particular bonus.

I'll bet you the exact amount that you had confiscated that I can name two specific bonus abuse strategies and Mario can confirm that you used one of those two strategies I named by looking at your Playcheck history.

Still want to play stupid? Take me up on my bet, and I'll find an escrow service for it.

 

[BBKPoker]

Forgot to take your medication today, did you?

And as far as I can see, the only inflammatory thread is coming directly from you. Why don't you do us all a favour and take your bile and your total inability to comprehend written English over to Winneronline where you will have a bosom buddy by the name of Caruso.

Nope, I had multivitamin this morning. I'm sorry you feel it necessary to attack me while I'm pointing out obviously nonsensical comments the OP has made. Again, it's clear that you have no idea how bonus abusers operate. Then again, maybe the OP will take me up on my bet, I'll somehow magically lose, and you'll get vindicated.

I'd guess "no", though.

 

[aka23]

We do refund players win or lose and please do put us to the test.

Me, myself and I, I played at Grand Mondial in September and lost everything, and I never got any penny back.

I since in the other thread Mario stated that they would pay deposits back to players that loose, I didnt believe and asked my neighbour to open an account in GBP. She depoisted and lost. Guess: no refund

Is the currency choice audit not done until a withdrawal is made, so players do not get their deposit refunded on a loss unless they make a withdrawal?

 

[loganberry]

Originally posted by BBKPoker.....
Nope, I had multivitamin this morning. I'm sorry you feel it necessary to attack me while I'm pointing out obviously nonsensical comments the OP has made. Again, it's clear that you have no idea how bonus abusers operate. Then again, maybe the OP will take me up on my bet, I'll somehow magically lose, and you'll get vindicated.

It's not what you are saying, it's the way that you are saying it which comes across as infuriating. You may be right. You may be wrong. But because you yourself are attacking everyone who disagrees with your bonus abuse comments, it is difficult to take you seriously.

And for the record, I have never attacked you. I have commented on your comments, which is what apparently you find difficult to accept.

And thus endeth the lesson.

BTW: Can I borrow your vitamins? I really need a pick-me-up.

 

[vinylweatherman]

Ok Mario

now that you finally confirmed you pay people back who loose their deposit in the wrong currency I really have to tell the community sth.
Me, myself and I, I played at Grand Mondial in September and lost everything, and I never got any penny back.
And I played as always in my favourite currency, in GBP

and Mario dont tell me you pay me tomorrow.
This is the final proof they are just a cheap rip of casino and should be put on the rogued list, not on the acredited.
for god s sake, take this casino of your list!!!!!

That's three accounts then - you are only making your case worse, as now it seems to imply you are hopping from casino to casino and taking GBP bonuses. It is this kind of exploit this term was designed for, my objection is the way in which non-bonus players are also being made to suffer. If you have been only playing the SUB in GBP at a number of casinos, then this does indeed fit the profile of a bonus hunter, and using GBP simply ensures you get noticed and caught. The art of whoring bonuses involves keeping a low profile, and not letting greed make it too obvious.
Skilled bonus players would have done their research, and factored in the risk involved in attempting to breach this term and not be noticed. If so skilled, you would have been well aware of this term, as you would have gone through them inch by inch looking for any weaknesses.
It has been a long while since such obvious ploys went unnoticed by casino audit departments, probably even back to before the big initial bet strategy became widespread.
You are also bringing this to the attention of other casinos, who might be on the lookout for your accounts.

 

[chuchu59]

Is the currency choice audit not done until a withdrawal is made, so players do not get their deposit refunded on a loss unless they make a withdrawal?

If the currency choice audit isnt done until a withdrawal is made, there could literally be dozens of players that have suffered losses and not have deposits refunded and that's simply because they didnt know there would be refunds. Mario, I think you should take a look at this otherwise the integrity of the casino is questionable.

Meanwhile, is Bedita saying that he opened 3 accounts at Grand mondial and obtained bonuses on all of them. If so, there should be no recourse fpr complaints and can really be described as 'bonus abuse'.

 

[loganberry]

Originally posted by chuchu59...
Meanwhile, is Bedita saying that he opened 3 accounts at Grand mondial and obtained bonuses on all of them.....

Just a quick question....'me, myself and I' is a phrase (as well as the name of a film) which is now in common usage when speaking about yourself (singular). Is this what you and VWM are basing your assumption that Bedita has opened 3 accounts on? She may not have meant anything more than that. Just asking....

 

[bedita]

If the currency choice audit isnt done until a withdrawal is made, there could literally be dozens of players that have suffered losses and not have deposits refunded and that's simply because they didnt know there would be refunds. Mario, I think you should take a look at this otherwise the integrity of the casino is questionable.

Meanwhile, is Bedita saying that he opened 3 accounts at Grand mondial and obtained bonuses on all of them. If so, there should be no recourse fpr complaints and can really be described as 'bonus abuse'.

sorry for the confusion, that is just a brazilian expression, of course I have only one account at Grand Mondial.
I played in September, and lost.
I cannot make a withdrawal if I lost everything.
So people who loose, Grand Mondial keapes the money, and people who win , they do not get paied.
They are really to be taken of the acredited list

 

[chuchu59]

Just a quick question....'me, myself and I' is a phrase (as well as the name of a film) which is now in common usage when speaking about yourself (singular). Is this what you and VWM are basing your assumption that Bedita has opened 3 accounts on? She may not have meant anything more than that. Just asking....

Yup, I know the meaning of the term but it does seem strange that Bedita had not used this as a counter-argument to press for his winnings. If he only had one account at GM and played in GBP some time ago, its a completely different story. Unless, it's another fallen thru the cracks excuse, then the player has every reason to retrieve the winnings, and in GBP also. I think Mario has some explaining to do as to why the deposit was never refunded until the player posted in the forum. If no plausible reason is guiven, then the integrity of the casino is highly questionable.

 

[maxd]

In terms of the original issue the bottom line is that the player violated the T&Cs, the casino rep has made themselves available and has participated in the discussion, and in the end the player received their original deposit back. I believe that resolves the original issue and I'm flagging the thread accordingly.

There's obviously still an open debate here -- the change of status isn't meant to reflect on it one way or the other -- so let that continue as required. If it becomes necessary we can split the debate off from the main topic so it can stand on it's own.

 

[maxine]

This person lives in Brazil - deposited in GBP and received a bonus. The player broke the terms - all bets are off.

We can debate whether or not currencies should match the residency of a player until the cows come home. That's fine. But what is clear is that this player is in the wrong, and to insist on roguing a casino or attacking my integrity because of this is way out of line.

-15 rep points for the OP. If you don't like it - take a hike.

Take a Hike? Ha! You're the one that is acting like you got something stuck up your butt. You used to be cool Meister. Now you just a lonely man (Evening with your family). You have become worst than eCogra. I bet they have paid you off also. It doesn't matter your board isn't what it used to be and never will be. You can ban anyone you choose. But you know and I know that you are no longer effective like you "USED" to be. Hey if you can't beat'em might as well join'em, huh meister?

 

[chuchu59]

No personal insults please. Make your point with reasons. Or dont you have anyone to share your X'Mas with you? Everytime someone is not happy with Bryan's actions or views, they say he is paid. If you have proof, show it or shut up.

This is still the best casino watchdog site by a mile.

 

[maxd]

... Now you just a lonely man ....

No matter how you look at it this is a pretty low-class way to go about stating your opinion. Of course I'll leave it to CM to speak for himself but my opinion is that it's trouble makers, not contributing members, that make posts like this.

And while we're at it I suggest you have another look at the Forum Rules, namely:

1.1 - No "Flaming": Please do not post any messages that harass, insult, belittle, threaten or flame another member or guest. Abusive behavior will not be tolerated and your account may be suspended.

 

[bedita]

Maxine, why dont you make your own thread to complain, instead of insulting peobple in mine.
So now it is cleared, that playshare does not pay back deposits when you loose.
I wanted the community to know that.

 

[Casinomeister]

Take a Hike? Ha! You're the one that is acting like you got something stuck up your butt. You used to be cool Meister. Now you just a lonely man (Evening with your family). You have become worst than eCogra. I bet they have paid you off also. It doesn't matter your board isn't what it used to be and never will be. You can ban anyone you choose. But you know and I know that you are no longer effective like you "USED" to be. Hey if you can't beat'em might as well join'em, huh meister?

Ho ho ho - say, that's not Christmas cheer.

Nothing wrong spending time with my family - and I am far from lonely

Worse than eCOGRA - hmmm. I'll have to think about that one.

Paid me? Who? Where? Show me the money!

Board not what it used to be? That's an odd thing to say - especially coming from a newbie poster that has ONLY posted in this thread since he/she signed up, and who shares the IP of one other member who was banned for player fraud <gasp>.

Seems like you've got a major chip on your shoulder

As for the board, it has increased in strength and reach by leaps and bounds since this time last year. I know this, but you probably don't. Hell, I hired Max from WOL this past month to help out.

Not effective? Like they say, sticks and stones...

So Maxine, if you have nothing to contribute to this forum besides a bunch of verbal spewage - go take your ball and play somewhere else, okay?

 

[Casinomeister]

...You used to be cool Meister. Now you just a lonely man (Evening with your family)...

Come to think of it, I'm not going to take this kind of crap - be it me or any other member of this forum these insults are directed at. These comments were way out of line for a newbie poster.

Bye.

 

[cyprean]

Ho Ho ho..

Dear CM

What is your take on accredited casinos' currency policies? If a player registers at an Accredited casino with a "non-allowed" currency, say GBP when he is not from the UK, shouldn't the casino just return the player's deposit whether the player loses or wins or even plays at all?

I know atleast one Casino (Group) in the Accredited lists which goes to steal-city if the player wins, and won't return a pound if the player loses. I won't name them for now.

I like Mario's stance that they return the deposit whether or not the player won or lost.

Best Regards
Cyp

 

[bedita]

Dear CM

What is your take on accredited casinos' currency policies? If a player registers at an Accredited casino with a "non-allowed" currency, say GBP when he is not from the UK, shouldn't the casino just return the player's deposit whether the player loses or wins or even plays at all?

I know atleast one Casino (Group) in the Accredited lists which goes to steal-city if the player wins, and won't return a pound if the player loses. I won't name them for now.

I like Mario's stance that they return the deposit whether or not the player won or lost.

Best Regards
Cyp

hi,
like I told before, Mario is lying.
I played at Grand Mondial, lost, and they didnt give me my deposit back.
fellas, you really think they deserve to be accredited???

 

[paul02085]

hi,
like I told before, Mario is lying.
I played at Grand Mondial, lost, and they didnt give me my deposit back.
fellas, you really think they deserve to be accredited???

So you initially signed up and deposited in the wrong currency and lost it all. Did you receive a bonus on the first deposit?

Later you deposited again in the wrong currency and received a bonus. Was this bonus a sign up bonus? If so, how did you get it on your second deposit?

 

[maxd]

like I told before, Mario is lying.

Bedita, I caution you to avoid this kind of personal and libelous attack. In particular please note the following excerpt from the Forum Rules:

1.6 - No "Libelous" Posts. Do not make posts that could be considered libelous, defamatory, or posting merely to cause harm to another's business.

From my point of view your attacks on Mario seem intended to do exactly that, harm his business, and it won't be tolerated.

 

[chuchu59]

While I agree that Bedita should control his language, I believe Mario has to address the issue of why Bedita was not refunded his deposit at Grand Mondial for 3 months. This is contrary to what he says on returning deposits to players who played in an 'undesirable' currency.

 

[NASHVEGAS]

Bedita, I caution you to avoid this kind of personal and libelous attack. In particular please note the following excerpt from the Forum Rules:



From my point of view your attacks on Mario are intended to do exactly that, harm his business, and it won't be tolerated.

Hi Max, did you ever read the white label thread and Mario's comments? You will find Mario speaking out of both sides of his mouth. He has some serious credibilty issues in that thread as he continues to say one thing and members see another similiar to the most recent Spam situation w/Vinyl et al iirc. Not saying you are incorrect in this thread re respecting Mario but check out the referenced threads if you have not when you get time........you seem to be a big asset and making a valuable contribution to forum members,thanks for your persistence and diligence,I am impressed,fwiw!