[Resolved] Casino Club - robot or no bot?

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Shocked

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Kimss,

I respect your greater experience with all things gambling, but do you really think on this occasion, the bloke bet 62.5 euros? ;o)

+ Blackjack BJ_WIN1 62.5 11-12-2008 01:38 4500 / 4562.5
Blackjack BJ BET1 -25 11-12-2008 01:38 4525 / 4500

I've checked a few pages and each time there is a win, the figure below it is a multiple. Paddy power have a similar system (I think it's PP) where they show the bet, then another line if it won.

KK,

The issue (for me) is whether this bloke got paid or not - I'm going to go and read the thread on the other forum, but how its been presented here is that he got extremely lucky and then Casino Club used a spurious 'bot play' argument to deny him his winnings. Perhaps someone can tell me if I am wrong, but bots are used to play lots of perfect games with small values so to get through wagering requirements. I can't imagine anyone buying a bot that played like this guy does..unless there is some flaw being taken advantage of in CC's software that has not been mentioned yet.
 

Jukep

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According to the logs the player has started at 01:25 and stopped at 06:46, for a total playing time of 5:21.

There seem to be 1-2 minute breaks at 2:12, 03:36, 04:08, 05:48 and 06:10.

There are 1445 lines containing BET1, which apparently means that 1445 hands were played. Thats 4.5 hands per minute, which is slowish even for a slow software like Boss.

He has played from 1 to 8 hands per minute. His rate of play has not been constant at all, as can be seen from the deviation of hands played per minute. First column is the number of minutes that he has played a certain amount of hands, and the second column is the number of hands. So e.g. there are 39 minutes in the log when he's played 3 hands in a minute, 73 minutes when he's played 4 hands a minute etc.

Code:
      4 1
     22 2
     39 3
     73 4
     93 5
     73 6
     11 7
      1 8



He started with $4450 and ended with $10050. First 2 hours of playing his stack was pretty stable, only smallish swings up and down. After 3+ hours he got a nice upswing and reached $10k at 04:39. Then came a steep downswing, taking him down at $3k at 04:55. Again his luck turns and he's back at $10k at 05:10. Some ups and downs, and then almost broke at 05:35, only $905 left. Again back to $10k 06:01, almost broke at 06:31 ($1300), but again he manages to rise and ends up at $10k.

He's changing his bet size often, from $5 to $1250. Here's the number of hands played with each bet size:
Code:
      6 -10
    516 -100
     54 -1,000.00
      1 -1,250.00
     11 -15
     26 -150
     72 -200
    156 -25
      6 -250
      2 -30
     18 -300
      2 -35
      1 -375
      4 -37.5
      2 -400
      1 -450
     21 -5
     54 -50
    444 -500
      1 -55
      2 -60
     25 -75
      1 -7.5
     16 -750
      2 -800
      1 -900

I believe an expected play log from a bot would be a long session with unchanging and small bet size, played fast and without breaks and with a constant hand rate.

When comparing his session to a supposed bot session, there seem to be few similarities.

His bet sizing has been like a rollercoaster, going up and down all the time. There are very few small bets, and lots of very big ones. I wonder why anyone would let a computer play with $100-1000 bet sizes. What would be the point?

He has not played very fast, and importantly, his hand rate per minute has not been steady at all.

His session has been pretty long, but there have been 5 1-2minute breaks. When taken out of context, a 5-6 hour session might look suspicious. However, if you look at the rollercoaster of his results, it's pretty easy to understand the urge to continue playing. First couple of hours are quite uneventfull, but the rest is pretty much constant swings. I personally would've been glued to the computer when swinging to $10k, down to $1k, then back up and down again, rinse and repeat...

I am surprised that this log has been used as evidence of bot play, as it really doesn't seem to support such a claim.

If this is all the evicence, then it looks like Casino Club has failed to fully and neutrally analyze the log, in it's eagerness to find damning evidence. It looks like their case rests purely on the length of the session, and all the contrary data has been ignored.
 

steinhaug

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I've checked a few pages and each time there is a win, the figure below it is a multiple. Paddy power have a similar system (I think it's PP) where they show the bet, then another line if it won.

I corrected this, I read the logs wrong. You were right from your first post, the first line represent the bet. The next line will be the win if any, if no win the next line will be next bet. When I figured it out it was easy, and you can easily see the push and BJ on the list. My previous post has the corrected gameplay.
 

Casinomeister

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Just to jump in here real quick-like before I hit the sack. I have the log file that covers 14 hours - not just six hours - of the same game play (virtually no breaks). You'll have to agree that is a phenomenal amount of time. 14 hours - no breaks. The guy's eyeballs would be falling out, he'd have thrombosis of the legs and a pee bucket beside his desk. :p

But thanks to kimss and a few others that have pointed out a number of odd things, this is the strangest bot play I've ever seen. I'll be getting back to this in the morning.
 

steinhaug

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You'll have to agree that is a phenomenal amount of time. 14 hours - no breaks. The guy's eyeballs would be falling out, he'd have thrombosis of the legs and a pee bucket beside his desk. :p

Well, some people drink coffee, some people take amphetamins,:D

Anyways, if you have PHP installed CM you can use this script I put together to compile the data which I posted above.

Format should be from last to first:
Code:
Blackjack BJ BET1 -500 11-12-2008 06:46 8050 / 7550
Blackjack BJ BET1 -500 11-12-2008 06:45 8550 / 8050
Blackjack BJ BET1 -500 11-12-2008 06:45 9050 / 8550
Blackjack BJ_WIN1 2,000.00 11-12-2008 06:45 7050 / 9050
Blackjack BJ BET1 -1,000.00 11-12-2008 06:45 8050 / 7050
Blackjack BJ_WIN1 2,000.00 11-12-2008 06:45 6050 / 8050
Blackjack BJ BET1 -1,000.00 11-12-2008 06:45 7050 / 6050
Blackjack BJ BET1 -500 11-12-2008 06:45 7550 / 7050
Blackjack BJ BET1 -1,000.00 11-12-2008 06:45 8550 / 7550
Blackjack BJ_WIN1 1,250.00 11-12-2008 06:44 7300 / 8550
Blackjack BJ BET1 -500 11-12-2008 06:44 7800 / 7300
Blackjack BJ BET1 -500 11-12-2008 06:44 8300 / 7800
Blackjack BJ_WIN1 1,000.00 11-12-2008 06:44 7300 / 8300
Blackjack BJ BET1 -500 11-12-2008 06:44 7800 / 7300

PHP:
<?php

$wins = array();
$result = array();
$lines = file('bj.txt');
$lines = array_reverse($lines);
$count = count($lines);

$patterns = array();

for($i=0;$i < $count ;$i++){
  $current = $lines[$i];
  $current = str_replace('Blackjack BJ_WIN1','WIN',$current);
  $current = str_replace('Blackjack BJ BET1','BET',$current);
  $current = trim($current);
  $t = explode(' ',$current);
  if($t[0] == 'WIN') continue;

  $next = $lines[$i+1];
  $next = str_replace('Blackjack BJ_WIN1','WIN',$next);
  $next = str_replace('Blackjack BJ BET1','BET',$next);
  $next = trim($next);
  $n = explode(' ',$next);

  $current_val = $t[6] - $t[4];
  $next_val    = $n[6] - $n[4];

  $t[1] = str_replace(',','',$t[1]);
  $n[1] = str_replace(',','',$n[1]);

  if($n[0] == 'WIN'){
    if($t[1] > 0){
      die('<hr>' . $lines[$i] . "<hr>SHOULD BE LOSING LINE!");
    }
    $t[1] = $t[1] * -1;
    $r = $n[1] - $t[1];

    if($r == $t[1]){
      $result[] = '+' . '[B]' . $r . '[/B]';
      $wins[$t[1]]['win']++;
      if($patterns['lose']>3) { $patterns['losestreak'][] = $patterns['lose']; }
      $patterns['win']++;
      $patterns['lose'] = 0;
    } else if($r == 0){
      $result[] = '+' . $r . ' (push, ' . $t[1] . ' bet)';
      $wins[$t[1]]['push']++;
      if($patterns['lose']>3) { $patterns['losestreak'][] = $patterns['lose']; }
      if($patterns['win']>3) $patterns['winstreak'][] = $patterns['win'];
      $patterns['win'] = 0;
      $patterns['lose'] = 0;
    } else {
      $result[] = '+' . '[B]' . $r . '[/B]' . ' (BJ, ' . $t[1] . ' bet)';
      $wins[$t[1]]['win']++;
      $wins[$t[1]]['bj']++;
      if($patterns['lose']>3) { $patterns['losestreak'][] = $patterns['lose']; }
      $patterns['win']++;
      $patterns['lose'] = 0;
    }
    continue;
  } else {
    $result[] = $current_val;

    $t[1] = $t[1] * -1;
    $wins[$t[1]]['lose']++;
    if($patterns['win']>3) $patterns['winstreak'][] = $patterns['win'];
    $patterns['lose']++;
    $patterns['win'] = 0;
  }
}

echo '<hr>';
echo 'winstreak' . implode(',',$patterns['winstreak']) . '<br>';
echo 'losestreak' . implode(',',$patterns['losestreak']) . '<br>';
?>
<hr>
<table cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" border="0" width="" id="" class="" style="">
  <tbody>
    <tr>
      <td></td>
      <td valign="top"><?php
ksort($wins);
foreach($wins AS $a=>$b){
  echo '$' . prefix_zero($a,4) . ': ' . prefix_zero((int) $b['lose'],3) . ' : ' . prefix_zero((int) $b['push'],3) . ' : ' . prefix_zero((int) $b['win'],3) . ' (' . prefix_zero((int) $b['bj'],3) . ')<br>';
}
      ?></td>
      <td><?php
function prefix_zero($x, $l){
  while(strlen($x)<$l){ $x = '0' . $x; }
  return $x;
}

$line = 1;
foreach($result AS $a){
  if($a > 0){
    echo prefix_zero($line,4) . ': ' . $a . '<br>';
    //echo prefix_zero($line,4) . ': [B]' . $a . '[/B]<br>';
  } else {
    echo prefix_zero($line,4) . ': ' . $a . '<br>';
  }
$line++;
}
      ?></td>
    </tr>
  </tbody>
</table>
 

Shocked

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Apologies Kimss, I should've read more thoroughly :)

The idea that playing for 6 hours with little breaks is very long, in my opinion, a joke - I'll gladly admit that I can play for MUCH more than that when the excitement is there and the adrenaline flowing...even previously rational people start thinking that there is some magical process going on when the luck is REALLY going for you (as in with this player).

What's rather worrying about this is that its not one of the casinos from the Virtual group..or even some newbie Go Wild type startup, its Casino Club - one of the biggest online casinos in europe! If the information given is true, then this severely questions their ethics and also the validity of their 'security checks' - from their forum, it looks like his results were supposedly checked at least twice and CC still maintained that he was using a bot?!? If they were at least saying that he's exploited a flaw in the software or some other cheat or fraud, then It would be slightly more convincing, but their argument is completely silly.

Aside from the fact that it looks bad for CC, they've shooting themselves again in the foot by not just letting this player play out all his winnings - from his play I'd guess that he's pretty compulsive with his gambling and CC have made sure that, if he does ever see his money, he won't be wasting it all on them.

Meh, glad there are more sensible casinos about.

---- wrote this before seeing CMs reply
 
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NextToYou

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I have the log file that covers 14 hours - not just six hours - of the same game play (virtually no breaks). You'll have to agree that is a phenomenal amount of time. 14 hours - no breaks. The guy's eyeballs would be falling out, he'd have thrombosis of the legs and a pee bucket beside his desk.

I don't find this strong enough evidence about anything.

I am personally definitely not a person having any kind of gambling problem/addiction and I just checked out of interest my personal play logs from my longest online poker sessions from last two years. The result is that I have several over 8 hour sessions tracked during last 2 years, meaning that I haven't had a break longer than ~3mins, because if you take a longer break, the software will kick you out from the table and it will be tracked as a new session if you go bsck. Longest session during last 2 years has been ~11 hours (and it has even been a winning session!).

Now, bear in mind that:

1. This has occured for me in online poker, which requires a hell of a lot more concentration and energy than playing online blackjack (which is very simple and dull game actually if you have even a bit experience).

2. Also, if the person in question has even a slightest kind of "addiction" or "rush" or whatever we want to call it towards the game, there won't be a feel of exhaustion before softwares are closed.

3. There are several confirmed cases people playing online poker for more than 18 hours straight and (without any extra incentive like bet or so) - why not 14 hours of online BJ then? It's not exactly a marathon.


In short: gambling 14 hours straight online with only short bathroom type of breaks or other 2-3 minute type of breaks (time that microwave pizza takes to heat or you take a fast dump) is not exactly any inhuman achievement, especially when talking about simple game like blackjack, which doesn't require too much constant effort.

Conclusion: 14 hour playing time can't be used as a judging evidence, there has to be much more.
 

Rusty

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Even 14 hours with very short breaks is really not so amazing.

Hand on heart I have played 36 Hours straight before now with very few and only short breaks.
Have they ever heard of en suite bathrooms?
If this is their only evidence it stinks.

What might be more revealing is this Guys previous play patterns.

Apparently this was not his first play at the Casino.

At the moment I think the Casino are really out on a limb with this one unless we see some real evidence.

It should also not go unnoticed that several times he makes a very nice profit but continues to play until nearly bust.
He is actually just a few hands away from busting out sometimes and if he had, well then, there would be no bot play would there?
 
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Jufo

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It should also not go unnoticed that several times he makes a very nice profit but continues to play until nearly bust.
He is actually just a few hands away from busting out sometimes and if he had, well then, there would be no bot play would there?

That's right. He takes huge risks and almost loses it all - many times! The bots are used in completely opposite scenario: making very low-risk wagers to complete the wagering requirements. Did he even need to complete any wagering requirement?
 

Pinababy69

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In short: gambling 14 hours straight online with only short bathroom type of breaks or other 2-3 minute type of breaks (time that microwave pizza takes to heat or you take a fast dump) is not exactly any inhuman achievement, especially when talking about simple game like blackjack, which doesn't require too much constant effort.

Conclusion: 14 hour playing time can't be used as a judging evidence, there has to be much more.

Even 14 hours with very short breaks is really not so amazing.

Hand on heart I have played 36 Hours straight before now with very few and only short breaks.

Absolutely 110% agree with both of you. I certainly wouldn't and don't make a habit out of it, and I find Blackjack boring as hell......but I'm sure there are times that I've sat and played for 14 hrs or more. Slots mind you, but same thing. Especially if you are on a roll and get that adrenaline rush going. I only play "on average" once, maybe twice a week. But if the reels are going my way, five or six hours is a normal gaming session. I don't find 14 totally absurd at all. And if this is what the casino is basing its decision on, then obviously they don't have too many true gamblers analyzing their data.

Add to that, as you guys mentioned, the fact that he more than once came close to busting out yet continued to play? What bot does that?

Note to mod or Bryan....could we get the thread title changed to more appropriately reflect the content?
 

RobWin

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14 Hours is nothing...it's actually laughable as I have gone for the marathon of 72.5 hours before at the land based casino Harrah's, I arrived on a Friday morning early and sat down at one machine in the high limit area and played video poker continuously for approx. 72.5 hours before coming back to my senses and realizing that I had totally missed the days Saturday & Sunday and my only time away from the machine was for my brief two to three minute bathroom breaks...:eek2:

My casino host even brought food to me while I was sitting and standing in front of this machine playing for this time period and she had even left twice to go home because her shift was over and then she returned to find me still there, lol...she was surprised the second day to still see me there but then the third day she was actually shocked !! Hell, I even drove 3 hours to get back home after this marathon run...;)

Those were some of my crazy days of gambling, I am now a hell of a lot more constrained and conservative ! :cool:
 

suzecat

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Wouldn't RNGs be considered a "bot" for the purposes of this thread? Seems to me that if a bot is in the casino's favor then that is ok...........but if in the player's favor then that is abuse? What kind of screwy azz logic is that?
 

Przecinek

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This is crazy! I hope this topic gets more attention from some serious math guys that can compile it into stats... as there are to many "?" marks over this one.

I understand logic behind CC but this is getting way out of hand! This guy had made some big bucks, gambled with sums I would never be able to afford and I don't see any "bonus abusing" pattern in the log file posted. Shit I wouldn't be able to sleep for a week after placing $ 1000 bet :eek: (even $10 bets make my hands sweat over mouse). Either CasinoClub is holding back "real" evidence (maybe to prevent bot users from finding out how they track them down?) in which case they should be honest about it, or they are just using it as another excuse not to pay as we've seen that before (and we keep seeing like in the current "Microgaming blacklist" thread").

Edit : Like Rusty said "He is actually just a few hands away from busting out sometimes and if he had, well then, there would be no bot play would there?" ... This is prolly why this got me upset. That's why we need some more info from Casino Club asap
 

Kodi

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14 hours - not just six hours - of the same game play (virtually no breaks). You'll have to agree that is a phenomenal amount of time. 14 hours - no breaks.

Do You think that its fair to void someone winnings because he make something wrong in the past? Why CC wait until someone hit some big winnings to show what they find? Why CC void winnings (6h session) that for sure ware made by human not bot?
 

Casinomeister

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Am i missing something ?
I am having a bit of trouble working those logs out.. but it does indeed look like the player never won 2 hands in a row in over 2000 hands !

Now if that is true, then that is simply Ludicrous ... the odds of that happening ... are .... well ... Impossible !

WAYLANDER
This is what I'm finding odd - and this covers 14 solid hours of play. I believe some bots can be programmed to play loose. I'm looking at fourteen hours and no two winning hands in a row. How could this not be bot play if it's been programmed to lose every other hand?

I always assumed bots just flat bet X hands as quickly as posible...

:confused:
Even the rudimentary software programs allow you to slow it down. Here is an excerpt from the instructions BLACKJACK BOT

SPEED SETTING

The bot plays at medium speed by default. You can choose the menu item option:speed to set speed to Fast or Slow. Note that the bot always plays in the Slow mode at 888 casino and the speed does not change by much at casino.net, Casino Club and Paradise Casino, as trying to play at faster speeds at these casinos can cause the bot to not work correctly.


They even include "bot" etiquette :p

BOT ETIQUETTE

Don't run the bot for 48-72 straight hours. This simply looks suspicious. Run it overnight for 8-14 hours and then give it an 8-10 hour rest. Try to make it look like a human player, for obvious reasons.


...Anywho, I would love to read some card experts observation on this gameresult and the result it produced compared to what one would normally expect from such play.
I think this would be quite interesting. I'll run it by a couple of people.

...In short: gambling 14 hours straight online with only short bathroom type of breaks or other 2-3 minute type of breaks (time that microwave pizza takes to heat or you take a fast dump) is not exactly any inhuman achievement, especially when talking about simple game like blackjack, which doesn't require too much constant effort.

Conclusion: 14 hour playing time can't be used as a judging evidence, there has to be much more.
I'm still going through the stats, and I haven't found a break longer than one minute - if that.

That's right. He takes huge risks and almost loses it all - many times! The bots are used in completely opposite scenario: making very low-risk wagers to complete the wagering requirements. Did he even need to complete any wagering requirement?
Like I mentioned earlier, I beleive bots can be programmed to be as human as possible.


pinababy69 said:
Note to mod or Bryan....could we get the thread title changed to more appropriately reflect the content?
Done :D

I know a number of you feel that gambling for 14 hours straight without a break is doable - especially in a land based environment. Online? I don't buy it. Sorry, I just can't. If the guy was taking a break every couple of hours for a minute or two even to get up and stretch, it would show. There is a difference between sitting on your ass clicking a mouse every few seconds for fourteen hours - without stopping, and sitting at a black jack table in Vegas. Let's be real now.

I'm not convinced that this is not bot play, but I'll lift the player's ban so he can chime in if he wants to. I'd like to know how he was able to not win more than one hand in a row in fourteen hours.
 

Jasminebed

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I've certainly played all night online. And since I smoke at my computer, it does not take me long to pee. I went to Atlantic City with a 70 year old woman who did not sleep for the three nights we were there, although she did take some time out from the baccarat tables to eat the comped food.

I'm no expert, but to deliberately lose every other hand does not seem like a winning strategy to me. And if you can "trick" the software by such behaviour, then the cards are not really random are they.
 

Shocked

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This is what I'm finding odd - and this covers 14 solid hours of play. I believe some bots can be programmed to play loose. I'm looking at fourteen hours and no two winning hands in a row. How could this not be bot play if it's been programmed to lose every other hand?

I'll gladly admit that I did 10 hours of casino-ing just the other night and you can even talk to one of your reps to confirm it! When things are going well and the adrenaline's running, you can go for a looooong time!

The issue with the 'no two winning hands' thing has been addressed by myself and several others - it's the way that the logs are formatted.. i.e. the bet is shown, then if there is a win (or push), then it is shown on the next line up, if there is no win then no result is shown. Paddy Power do the same with their logs.

Like I mentioned earlier, I beleive bots can be programmed to be as human as possible.

I am sure you could program a bot to do lots of strange things and play like a ridiculously tilty player, but what would be the point?

No one would buy it..or if it was a 'feature' then no one would use it. The idea that someone would spend hours programming a feature that clearly no one would use is, frankly, silly!

I've read the other forum and I feel for this player - IMO with the evidence given, it's 99.99% certain that he's been treated terribly by CC, whether that be through their lack of competence or just straight roguish behaviour. Being that they are one of the biggest online casinos around, I'd assume it's the former and they just didn't do their job properly when they did their 'security checks', but, even if they see the error they've made, then it's still worrying.


------- In addition

Actually, it's PP Games, but here's an example from their logs and me playing 3 hand BJ:

Games Returns: Electracade Three Hand BlackJack: Return on Game Bet ID 72828612 Internet 4.50 74.14
Games stake: Electracade Three Hand BlackJack: Game Bet ID 72828612 Internet -3.00 69.64
Games Returns: Electracade Three Hand BlackJack: Return on Game Bet ID 72828547 Internet 4.00 72.64
Games stake: Electracade Three Hand BlackJack: Game Bet ID 72828547 Internet -3.00 68.64
Games Returns: Electracade Three Hand BlackJack: Return on Game Bet ID 72828500 Internet 2.50 71.64
Games stake: Electracade Three Hand BlackJack: Game Bet ID 72828500 Internet -3.00 69.14
Games stake: Electracade Three Hand BlackJack: Game Bet ID 72828467 Internet -3.00 72.14
Games Returns: Electracade Three Hand BlackJack: Return on Game Bet ID 72828415 Internet 3.00 75.14

It's the same formatting style as Casino Club, but because there is more explanation on each line, you can see that I won (or more precisely, didn't lose outright) three times in a row..
 
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Jufo

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This is what I'm finding odd - and this covers 14 solid hours of play. I believe some bots can be programmed to play loose. I'm looking at fourteen hours and no two winning hands in a row. How could this not be bot play if it's been programmed to lose every other hand?

I believe this was just a confusion caused by the way the hand history was formatted. See the second table in kimss's post #24 which shows the bets in correct order and there are many two and more wins in a row.
 

Shocked

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I believe this was just a confusion caused by the way the hand history was formatted. See the second table in kimss's post #24 which shows the bets in correct order and there are many two and more wins in a row.

The (mis)reading of the logs has actually been corrected on post 13, 19, 22, 24 and 26. It's a shame that people are more interested in the idea that there is a flaw or strategy that has been used rather than reading the thread and asking why someone who (with all the evidence) has just 'got lucky' and is being denied 10,000 euros.
 

Zodiac

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CM said:
I'm still going through the stats, and I haven't found a break longer than one minute - if that.

It gives a break Bryan but CC have not found it and only placed a part of the protocol but the player found the break what he said always again.

Yesterday he got the complete protocol from CC and now you can see at this part that was indeed a break.

Blackjack
BJ_WIN1
10
11.12.2008 00:57
4150 / 4160
Blackjack
BJ BET1
-5
11.12.2008 00:57
4155 / 4150
Blackjack
BJ_WIN1
10
11.12.2008 00:56
4145 / 4155
Blackjack
BJ BET1
-5
11.12.2008 00:56
4150 / 4145
Blackjack
BJ_WIN1
250
11.12.2008 00:34
3900 / 4150
Blackjack
BJ BET1
-100
11.12.2008 00:34
4000 / 3900
Blackjack
BJ_WIN1
400
11.12.2008 00:34
3600 / 4000
Blackjack
BJ BET1
-200
11.12.2008 00:34
3800 / 3600
Blackjack
BJ_WIN1
200
11.12.2008 00:33
3600 / 3800
Blackjack
BJ BET1
-100
11.12.2008 00:33
3700 / 3600
Blackjack
BJ_WIN1
200
11.12.2008 00:33
3500 / 3700
Blackjack
BJ BET1
-100
11.12.2008 00:33
3600 / 3500
Blackjack
BJ_WIN1
200
11.12.2008 00:33
3400 / 3600

and one must consider also a time difference from germany to Israel or Danmark, because CC said that some wins obtains after 24:00 pm but one hour time difference it was 23:00 pm

the completly protocoll you will find at roulette forum from page 20 to page 21


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i see that his name is no longer red, so i can say to him that he maybe can post here again and do all by himself ?
 

Casinomeister

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...i see that his name is no longer red, so i can say to him that he maybe can post here again and do all by himself ?
You're correct, he is no longer banned.
 

Kodi

Banned User - Multiple accounts fraudster
Joined
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Location
EU
1) Do You think that its fair to void someone winnings because he make something wrong in the past?
2) Why CC wait until someone hit some big winnings to show what they find?
3) Why CC void winnings (6h session) that for sure ware made by human not bot?

I think you missed my questions :rolleyes:
 
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