Relax Gaming push alternative RTP models (different paying versions) of their games.

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Been a short while now that Relax Gaming has been offering mid-range RTP models, around 94%, of their games at Unibet.

Hardly a surprise when you consider Kindred own Relax - the writing was on the wall.

Nonetheless, didn't see anything pop up and wondered if anyone else had seen or was bothered as much as me :)

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Temple Tumble Megaways 94% RTP.

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Money Train 2 94.23% RTP.

Nicely timed in conjunction with Relax Gaming's Dream Drop Jackpots launch.

Relax Gaming looking more and more like Red Tiger each day :(
 

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this is a bad news, a terrible one.

but now I can have some little hope that also our beloved italian casinos will offer Relax games.

as long as they were offering 96%++ only, no way.
 

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Assuming that the providers get a percentage of the house edge. Which IIRC they do.

I wonder if they're actively pushing the lower RTP versions of their games, or even offering incentives, rather than it just being down to the casinos opting for them.

a game, turning over £100,000 at a particular casino with a RTP of 96% would give a house edge of £4,000, if the provider gets 20% ( IDK what the actual percentage is) that's £800 to the provider.

If the same game is running at 94% = £6,000 house edge = £1,200 to the provider
or at 92% = £8,000 house edge = £1,600 to the provider.

And in the case of PnG at their lowest 84% = £16,000 house edge = £3,200 to the provider.
That's a big difference in income for the games producers £800 vs £3,200.

They could afford to drop their percentage cut of the house edge to 15% or even 10% as an incentive for the casino to take the lower RTP version, whilst still making more money than they would with the 96% version
 

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Noticed on a Unibet exclusive game thumbnail that there is no RTP rating - it's been replaced by much more useful information (for Unibet) about how many win lines the game has - just what players need :)

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Possibly an anomaly, or maybe too ashamed to start showing Unibet's choice of RTP models? Nothing much on the front page of Unibet's lobby above 94% RTP now.

That new finance guy will be getting much kudos for his ingenious mathematical wizardry, squeezing profits out of nowhere, carefully analyzing numerical spreadsheets on p&l and player spends and trends that us mere mortals would not begin to comprehend.

Unibet: 'We have made record profits yet again, despite the pandemic creating an industry boom in an already booming industry'

Shareholders: 'That's great! How did you do it?'

Unibet: 'Skill...pure skill' ;)
 
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Played on Unibet in the weekend and turned £50 into a £90 withdrawal by only playing the slots which were at max RTP (plus, I admit, playing one slot at a peg below max RTP only because I’d not seen it at my usual sites. I’d really wanted to try it and ended up leaving it with a modest 60x win).

Putting the RTP on the thumbnail of each game is the only reason I still occasionally frequent Unibet. I hope that doesn’t change.
 

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I can't knock them for payout speed or professionalism. Reliable casino, good outfit.

It's just that product is king, and always will be.

I wonder also:

Casino A offers 94%

Casino B offers 96%.

A player wins more at Casino B, therefore deposits more at Casino B, and returns to play more often at Casino B.

Casino A makes more money in the short term but I personally believe that low RTP is not just bad for players but a bad move for the industry. It stinks of irresponsible gambling because of the different models, cuts playtime, and therefore fun - hardly an inspiring experience for new gamblers.

Take Unibet for example - from a player favourite and one of the best in the land reduced to an average run-of-the-mill casino just by lowering RTP. I cannot find any reason to choose them over and above crappycasino.com now.
 

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You'd think there's a point where the bottom drops out of the market, and players would refuse to entertain handing over money to eg sub- 92% RTP games, where the 'line' has been crossed between value for money, or being straddled by ever-greedy casinos 🤔

Yet does it really matter end of the day? Modern slotting aka throwing money away is 'entertainment', and the great unwashed won't particularly notice or care, not when there's zany slots with bells, or purple- haired cannibal harridans with their trusty raccoons in tow :cool:
 

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You'd think there's a point where the bottom drops out of the market, and players would refuse to entertain handing over money to eg sub- 92% RTP games, where the 'line' has been crossed between value for money, or being straddled by ever-greedy casinos 🤔

Yet does it really matter end of the day? Modern slotting aka throwing money away is 'entertainment', and the great unwashed won't particularly notice or care, not when there's zany slots with bells, or purple- haired cannibal harridans with their trusty raccoons in tow :cool:
The next generation comes along and throws a pile of money at the casinos it won’t ever matter
 

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Newer players as well will just see it as being what it is - they've nothing to compare it to, or remember the time you could have a decent session on MG games for hours and be 30 quid up. Over time 94 becomes the new norm, then 92, then 87 etc etc.

The indirect effect might be, rather than players choosing to boycott a 92% casino, that they simply have a shorter 'career' as it sucks and decide to chuck it. But even if a decent chunk did so, pretty sure the high rollers and the problem gamblers will massage over that anyhow.

They can only get away with offering what customers are willing to accept and unfortunately that figure is probably well lower than the early 90's - 10% might be the tipping point where the reels don't even spin but a pop up appears and says: Thanks, Sucka.
 

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I remember when I first started. Could make a £20 depo go all night on a variety of games, Book of Dead, JAB, Gemix, Drive, and so on.

Often, I make a withdrawal and still, despite RTP reductions, do well enough to enjoy my time and more often than not be profitable for the month, just by knowing the games, and avoiding low models.

If I had started now, doing what I did a few years back, I'm not sure I would have fallen in love with slots like I did.

I'm not so sure that new players will do the same as previous generations because the landscape has changed. Slots in 2022 do not pay back what slots in years gone by did - that alone will affect business.

Unless you are a complete imbecile, why would you spend your money on something that disappoints every time, hardly rewards, and costs a fortune for 10 minutes of game time?

Not many new players will have the know-how to navigate around the crap games, and therefore, will have a crap experience, and will probably wonder what all the fuss is about and think of spending money elsewhere.
 

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Thing is like you said, new players just don't know any better, and can't draw upon the nostalgic slotting 'good ole days'......I'd also imagine many new players are drawn into these modern slots because of their high production values or video game- esque visual appeal.

Even I started my 'journey' on some gimped version of Monopoly, then Batman, Pink Panther etc.....basically the worst games in existence, but a great marriage of trusted brands with the illusion of winning money (I'd probably shed a tear if hearing some of those games' bleeps and bloops - sob)

Fact is we are in 2022 and no one expects the games to look like Minecraft, there's to be expected a capable artistry when wanting to be entertained. Though when all's said and done, the pendulum's swung too far towards high- end visuals and less solid, reliable slotting. I'd love designers to get back to basics and bring the essence of fun slotting back, but as the song goes, "ain't nobody got time for that" :D
 

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