Reef casino rigged?

[jetset]

Thanks, Freudian - what did the casino have to say?

 

[Freudian]

Thanks, Freudian - what did the casino have to say?

They sent a long mail. The central part I guess was this

"I have read the correspondence regarding your game history and I
completely understand your frustration. After my investigation I was
pleased to see the Reef Club Representatives had answered you
honestly and politely.

In recent months our company has updated our software to enhance the
playing quality and also administrative support capability for our
members. One of these upgrades included the ability to include player
and house hands when sending comprehensive game history logs, which
was not available before."

Which I guess is about the best that anyone can hope for. While some take their word for it, I am sure others believe it is a charade casino want to play to keep up appearances.

And they gave me some more money. Which is kinda weird because this had nothing to do with money at all. But I guess it is customary in this business, and I would be a fool to object.

I do suspect without Tex Reese and eCOGRA I would never have gotten my logs, so it was nice to see them taking this on even if it had nothing to do with money.

 

[caruso]

Any chance you can post your win / loss stats for that session? I could go through it but it'd take forever.

Five consecutive BJs is over three million to one for starters.

 

[jetset]

They sent a long mail. The central part I guess was this

"I have read the correspondence regarding your game history and I
completely understand your frustration. After my investigation I was
pleased to see the Reef Club Representatives had answered you
honestly and politely.

In recent months our company has updated our software to enhance the
playing quality and also administrative support capability for our
members. One of these upgrades included the ability to include player
and house hands when sending comprehensive game history logs, which
was not available before."

Which I guess is about the best that anyone can hope for. While some take their word for it, I am sure others believe it is a charade casino want to play to keep up appearances.

And they gave me some more money. Which is kinda weird because this had nothing to do with money at all. But I guess it is customary in this business, and I would be a fool to object.

I do suspect without Tex Reese and eCOGRA I would never have gotten my logs, so it was nice to see them taking this on even if it had nothing to do with money.

Noted with thanks.

 

[Freudian]

Any chance you can post your win / loss stats for that session? I could go through it but it'd take forever.

Five consecutive BJs is over three million to one for starters.

In 87 hands I lost 62, pushed four, won 21. With perfect strategy I would have been down 42 (three mistakes compared to basic strategy, two that I would have won, and one where I would have lost more with doubling on 11 vs T) units in these 87 hands, which is -3.91 SD.

In simpler terms I lost over 400$ in 87 hands with 5 and 10$ bets.

 

[bethug]

Jetset , con sister lied, i know u guys going to do something about this. Also it looks like the game was fixed. We need a better answer.

freudian, i would not took the money, they need to be expose

 

[GrandMaster]

eCOGRA helped me get the logs that the casino claimed they didn't have. If eCOGRA took further action against the casino I don't know.

I am attatching the logs of the five blackjacks in a row and the horrible streak if anyone is interested. Please note that apart from these two sections I did well at this casino. So I am not saying Reef Club Casino rips people off. I don't know if they do or don't. All I know is that two pretty rare events happened while playing there.

My estimate is that the probability of this losing session is about 1/15000. The probability of 5 BJs in a row is about 1/4000000. My experience at CON was very positive, I was winning consistently for several months.

 

[caruso]

My estimate is that the probability of this losing session is about 1/15000.

How do you figure that? 87 hands with 62 hand loss with accurate play is over six SDs. That's a hell of a lot more than 15,000 to one. In fact, it's off the chart.

Come on, over SIX SDs. That's impossible in a fair game.

EDIT: Brain back in. I missed the wins. That's still over four SDs

 

[Freudian]

My estimate is that the probability of this losing session is about 1/15000. The probability of 5 BJs in a row is about 1/4000000. My experience at CON was very positive, I was winning consistently for several months.

I ended up slightly plus at this casino, which is what makes it so weird. Long sessions of being slightly up, followed by these two rare happenings.

If I had really gotten nailed by this casino it would be easier to point fingers, but since I wasn't it doesn't make sense to me (from a 'lets fleece this guy' perspective). I don't know if I trust their game enough to deposit more money there, but I have been able to withdraw more money than I deposited at both CoN and Reef Club. I think I'll sort this under 'things that make you go '.

 

[hhcfreebie]

Although these records are extremely unlikely, my own experience with them was pretty positive. I'd been winning for over an year. In fact, I've never lost my own deposit in any given month.
Finally they decided to cut the loss and showed me the door.

 

[sirius]

Both those events should only happen once or twice in a player's lifetime and for them both to happen hours apart is incredible. The chance of the consecutive blackjacks in a fair game was 1 in 4.1 million but this isn't so incredible given the number of hands a gambler will play in his life, but the subset of around 90 hands with the 3.91 SD result (as calculated by the player and I haven't verified this) is a 1 in 21661 chance for him to lose as much or worse! To find a subset of this amount of hands with this result should also only occur very few times in a player's lifetime.

The information doesn't prove the casino cheats. Assuming it was fair, Freudian had incredibly bad luck for both things to happen within hours. Can I ask if you logged out between the two events or were you always playing or connected to the casino?

I had dumped the casino group last year due to the Reef Club incident you can read about here when they launched the casino two years ago:

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(I never played Reef Club but I was recently stopped by CON from taking any more bonuses)

I also posted my Link Removed ( Old/Invalid) which might be easier to read.

 

[ftg]

Both those events should only happen once or twice in a player's lifetime and for them both to happen hours apart is incredible. The chance of the consecutive blackjacks in a fair game was 1 in 4.1 million but this isn't so incredible given the number of hands a gambler will play in his life, but the subset of around 90 hands with the 3.91 SD result (as calculated by the player and I haven't verified this) is a 1 in 21661 chance for him to lose as much or worse! To find a subset of this amount of hands with this result should also only occur very few times in a player's lifetime.

How do you calculate/conclude "the result should only occur very few times in a player's lifetime" based on the SD? Where can I get the information? Thanks.

I continueously got 2.5-3.5 sd for several weeks for almost every session in MG's Vegas Strip BJ some weeks ago and now I seldom play MG's BJ.

 

[HateMG]

I continueously got 2.5-3.5 sd for several weeks for almost every session in MG's Vegas Strip BJ some weeks ago and now I seldom play MG's BJ.

That's the same problem I'm having with MG Vegas Strip BJ which is supposedly offers house advantage of only 0.37%. I don't know how to calculate SD but constant downward pressure is just too much to handle (and yes I play perfect strategy). Sometimes I made 15-20 consecutive deposits of $100 and only maybe one I can get up to $500-$700. I think MG Video Poker games have better odds than BJ. Just recently I got a RF on 4 hands Joker Poker for $2500 and then, stupid me, decided to try my luck on VS BJ and of course blew everything up very quickly. That's why I HateMG.

 

[largeeyes]

That's the same problem I'm having with MG Vegas Strip BJ which is supposedly offers house advantage of only 0.37%. I don't know how to calculate SD but constant downward pressure is just too much to handle (and yes I play perfect strategy). Sometimes I made 15-20 consecutive deposits of $100 and only maybe one I can get up to $500-$700. I think MG Video Poker games have better odds than BJ. Just recently I got a RF on 4 hands Joker Poker for $2500 and then, stupid me, decided to try my luck on VS BJ and of course blew everything up very quickly. That's why I HateMG.

Uh.....You are trying to make 5-7x your money and expect it to happen a lot? That doesn't sounds that odd at all.

 

[HateMG]

Uh.....You are trying to make 5-7x your money and expect it to happen a lot? That doesn't sounds that odd at all.

Of course I'm not expecting for this to happen a lot but I also don't expect to lose 2K in $20000-30000 in wagers. Also 5-7x is not that uncommon unless you flat bet $2. Just last weekend I registered with Nostalgia and get my initial deposit of $200 to $1200 with $5-$25 bets in BJ and C21. Sometimes I managed to win 20-40x of my initial deposit but that happened mostly in Wagerlogic casinos for me playing BJ and sometimes in MG mostly when I played VP and hit RF(I had 5 of them already).