Tips Reduced Slot RTP's - How YOU Are Affected!

[slot_zombie]

New 98% RTP slot alert -

Pragmatic Slushie Party (clone of Fruit Party)

 

[shadow123]

If the UKGC would do one thing, require casinos to display the rtp on the game thumbnails, it would save so much hassle,
Yup I know the casinos would hate it but its like going into supermarket with no prices on the goods unless you read the tiny
writing on the labels

 

[justdoit]

If the UKGC would do one thing, require casinos to display the rtp on the game thumbnails, it would save so much hassle,
Yup I know the casinos would hate it but its like going into supermarket with no prices on the goods unless you read the tiny
writing on the labels

and ban extra bets on slots ?

 

[shadow123]

It is a bit of a con sticking an extra bet button on to increase the chance of getting bonuses, clever bit of psycology, if you are struggling
to get a bonus, you are very much inclined to use it.Plus its very vague sometimes, what does an increased chance actually mean.

 

[Nate]

New 98% RTP slot alert -

Pragmatic Slushie Party (clone of Fruit Party)

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TopGame .... Dodgy as fuck. Probably launched it for streamers to use fake money on and then drop the RTP

 

[satchnz]

I’ve stopped paying the extra bet for an “extra chance”, and on Prags especially, the base game is many times better. Also still seem to hit bonuses at the same (low) frequency as I did with the extra bet on.

 

[justdoit]

It is a bit of a con sticking an extra bet button on to increase the chance of getting bonuses, clever bit of psycology, if you are struggling
to get a bonus, you are very much inclined to use it.Plus its very vague sometimes, what does an increased chance actually mean.

mean to milking are pocket, since Push Gaming got sold to LeoVegas they adding up to 80% extra bet

 

[jasonuk]

Looks like WH are making their latest moves - clearly not happy offering 88-92% slots, they are now using a new tactic with their promotions where clicking in different places (e.g. vegas bonus drop v vegas recently played) will send you to different instances of the game (similar to casino / games / vegas tabs of old, minus the visibility).

This means that stored value can be split across two or more instances, some of which may not be easily accessible once the promotion expires.

A couple of examples are Fire and Roses Joker and Granny v Zombies Lock N Win - given the stored value can require hundreds of spins (in the case of GvZ, or the lower tier joker jackpots), it is another way to dishonestly chip away at the RTP...

 

[deleted20230517]

Thank you for contacting our customer support service.

The RTP, short for “Return To Player”, represents the expected theoretical percentage of wagers that a certain game will return to the player.

For a better comprehension, please bear in mind that the RTP is calculated as follows:
Total amount won from all the players / Total amount wagered from all the players.

E.g. If you make a hundred 1€ bets (100 €) and get back 98 €, then, the RTP is 98% (98/100=98%), even though overall you lost 2€.

Going through a series of lost bets, doesn’t mean you will win the following rounds, as there are factors such as luck that will affect your end results. The RTP always considers the long-term results and the total amount of players that played a specific Slot Machine.

Furthermore, the RTP as well as the actual Slot Machines, are directly monitored directly by the Regulation and Inspection of games (XXX) prohibiting the use any kind of manipulation.

Quite interesting to read how RTP is calculated.

 

[satchnz]

Looks like WH are making their latest moves - clearly not happy offering 88-92% slots, they are now using a new tactic with their promotions where clicking in different places (e.g. vegas bonus drop v vegas recently played) will send you to different instances of the game (similar to casino / games / vegas tabs of old, minus the visibility).

This means that stored value can be split across two or more instances, some of which may not be easily accessible once the promotion expires.

A couple of examples are Fire and Roses Joker and Granny v Zombies Lock N Win - given the stored value can require hundreds of spins (in the case of GvZ, or the lower tier joker jackpots), it is another way to dishonestly chip away at the RTP...

People still play slots at WH?? ?

 

[satchnz]

Quite interesting to read how RTP is calculated.

What was the question that was asked? “What is the casino’s actual historical RTP for a particular slot machine” hopefully?

 

[deleted20230517]

Why i kept hitting a bad streak after 8 weeks and approx 10k of deposits.

 

[jasonuk]

I must be missing something, because that's a textbook definition of RTP... TRTP is the math model theoretical value, and if people want a more representative actual RTP, they might consider level stake to avoid skewed calculations from high roller bets.

They use "all players" to avoid people thinking that their personal RTP will be 96% - which admittedly it would be for a large enough volume of spins, but most people aren't going to get to a thousand let alone a billion.

People still play slots at WH?? ?

I know... must be time for another exciting updates email telling us (without actually telling us) that more RTPs have changed - 88% is clearly too generous for an online fruit machine! ?

 

[ChopleyIOM]

I'm finding Rizk good for RTPs, and they've had a few deposits off me recently. (They also take a Revolut virtual card for deposits, which is what I use now to separate out gambling stuff from normal bank stuff.)

Mystery Reels Megaways - 98.06%
Immortal Romance - 96.86%
Prags, PnGs, Nolimit etc - 96.xx% models

And they've kept stuff like Book Of 99 too, which I noticed many other casinos got rid of, if they even took it at all in the first place. (99% RTP, of course.)

Had a really good run on my latest deposit, just sticking to the high RTP stuff. (I even dusted off Donuts the other night, which rocks in at 96.54% and gave me a decent game.)

Mystery Reels Megaways:

 

[slot_zombie]

They're coming thick and fast again now.

Pragmatic Sugar Twist (clone of Sugar Rush)

 

[brianmon]

They're coming thick and fast again now.

Pragmatic Sugar Twist (clone of Sugar Rush)

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But they're only available to an unregulated market.
They can state whatever RTP they want to. No one's checking, No one's monitoring, and even in the unlikely event that someone could prove the RTP was false. There'd be no consequences.

 

[slot_zombie]

But they're only available to an unregulated market.
They can state whatever RTP they want to. No one's checking, No one's monitoring, and even in the unlikely event that someone could prove the RTP was false. There'd be no consequences.

So do you think, then, that Stake are colluding with Pragmatic to declare a fake RTP in order to defraud players?

 

[deleted20230517]

Wait,

Even legal casino's do run "new slots" with on steroid RTP... It's usually for the first weeks months to get users going, hooked and what more. I'm quite skeptical to the release of new games, because as always was good games do get nerfed at one time.

Point is; for the next few thousands of wagering, im 100% sure i won't get this action ever again.

You should have seen the session, it was basicly every game paying over a 100x consistent, above is only a log of highest wins.

With a game like Sugar, Madame Destiny or even gates of olympus, etc, it will take 5 losses now to either play even or get ahead. gates is the shittiest of them all. I dont understand how that game ever reaching 96.5% or so while most of my action is a straight loss.

That's what i call a shit, knowing that by default you gotta lose a bunch of gmaes first before you can have the action.

 

[justdoit]

But they're only available to an unregulated market.
They can state whatever RTP they want to. No one's checking, No one's monitoring, and even in the unlikely event that someone could prove the RTP was false. There'd be no consequences.

all pragmatics slots in stake for regular players are 96%, maybe for streamer or fake money players are 98% ?

 

[slot_zombie]

all pragmatics slots in stake for regular players are 96%, maybe for streamer or fake money players are 98% ?

Now that just isn't correct is it.

 

[brianmon]

So do you think, then, that Stake are colluding with Pragmatic to declare a fake RTP in order to defraud players?

Why not?

 

[jasonuk]

So do you think, then, that Stake are colluding with Pragmatic to declare a fake RTP in order to defraud players?

They're saying there's no external visibility that the RTP is what it claims to be - that's the risk with unregulated markets.

Normally you'd point to their reputation as a counterpoint, but Stake have already made it clear they're willing to cross the line (fake money streamers, shady responsible gambling behaviour) and Pragmatic are still trying to shake off their history as TopGame (with the missing millions in unwinnable progressives).

So if we were ever going to pick a casino and a provider to play dirty, it's a pretty potent combination...

 

[slot_zombie]

They're saying there's no external visibility that the RTP is what it claims to be - that's the risk with unregulated markets.

Normally you'd point to their reputation as a counterpoint, but Stake have already made it clear they're willing to cross the line (fake money streamers, shady responsible gambling behaviour) and Pragmatic are still trying to shake off their history as TopGame (with the missing millions in unwinnable progressives).

So if we were ever going to pick a casino and a provider to play dirty, it's a pretty potent combination...

Perhaps, but then we come back to the same counter-argument as against slot rigging - the reliance on the continued silence of all stake and pragmatic employees involved, not to mention the games aggregator Softswiss (which does operate in regulated markets too).

Not saying it couldn't happen but I have found Stake to play a pretty straight bat where RTP is concerned. Even the PnG's with nothing in the helpfiles as usual, are all running at max.

 

[slot_zombie]

...gates is the shittiest of them all. I dont understand how that game ever reaching 96.5% or so while most of my action is a straight loss.

That's what i call a shit, knowing that by default you gotta lose a bunch of gmaes first before you can have the action.

With Gates, Pragmatic managed to achieve the holy of holies - a rather feral release that manages to be extremely addictive and has been an absolute smash hit with the gaming community.

When it first released, have to admit I was intrigued when the YouTube footage of enormous 500x multipliers crashing from the heavens started to come out. Now I am a Gates "addict" with over £1m wagered at minimum stake on one site alone, mostly bonus buys. No wonder Prag cloned it over and over again, now we have Grace Of Ebisu to look forward to as the next clone.

Interesting that they tried to take the concept a step further with Sword Of Ares and it flopped miserably because the player could "see" on the screen the big multi was largely unobtainable via the meters, but with Gates you just "never knew".

Gates is my go-to Get-Out-Of-Jail card when having a bad run, or when wanting to have a bonus buy session. I suppose I must be a bit lucky as I am nowhere near down the $35,000 on it that my wagering would suggest. Although still down, naturally.

 

[ultra100]

with over £1m wagered at minimum stake on one site alone, mostly bonus buys.

Even though it's bonus buy, it's a solid sample to get idea of rRTP and reach somewhere near tRTP within SD. (with over 50k bonus buys)

Have you managed to get a max 5000x win? With such a sample, it can be expected to be 10+ max wins.

Not sure what's the chance of winning free spins in the base game, but assuming bonus buy is 100xbet, it should be in the range of 1:200 + ; and chance of getting max win without bonus buy is 1/697350.