Random jackpots on RG

I tried checking this again a few hours ago with a simple test. I went to a slot machine with a small jackpot, for 2 reasons:

1. Probably no one else playing (and the jackpot wasn't moving at all prior to my test)
2. In case there's anything weird where the jackpot contribution is greater when the jackpot is smaller, like the recent William Hill thing

Someone please correct me if i am wrong but i understood that in CWG several slots are linked to the same RJ, if you click thru the various slots in the lobby, you will find that certain groups of slots sit on the same RJ amount and rise together so it would be difficult to judge the allocated RTP from 1 slot.

Al
 
Someone please correct me if i am wrong but i understood that in CWG several slots are linked to the same RJ, if you click thru the various slots in the lobby, you will find that certain groups of slots sit on the same RJ amount and rise together so it would be difficult to judge the allocated RTP from 1 slot.

Al
That's correct - slots are "grouped" at most RTG casinos.
But the OP went on to explain (in the post you truncated) that his test showed a worse-case scenario; i.e. if other players had been playing the other slots then the contribution would be an even LOWER % than his figure.

IMHO I think he makes a very good point - saying "up to 1.5%" could well mean on some games it could be as low as 0.0001% - it wouldn't be a lie!

KK
 
Sorry to dissent but it's not that simple and your method is flawed. I'm sure someone else more articulate and well versed than me will come explain but there's a few fairly recent threads on this, including a "conspiracy" thread.

edit: Just to add when a casino is using wording such as "no more than" or "up to", it's not a simple matter of "insert your quick test" then "yay I disproved them."

I am not sure I see any such "well versed and articulate" person coming to the thread to provide this information, so care to give it a shot? I'm sure you'll do just fine. If I am truly wrong, it would be appreciated. Alternatively, if someone has provided this information elsewhere, you could provide a link.

Without knowing exactly how a jackpot works, it's always going to be theoretically possible that the contributions will add up in some incredibly bizarre and convoluted matter, but generally I don't think that's likely. I've tested with two different methods on both a low total jackpot and 2 different high total jackpots, with two different methods, getting a number well under 1% each time. The only other info I've seen is "he said, she said, I once heard from a reliable source," etc., that isn't really very useful.

As for the "yay I disproved them": who is the "them," we are referring to? I already provided a possibility of how the 1.5% could be true, I didn't say RTG is lying. It may just be that no reputable casinos use the setting which gives 1.5%. RTG slots paybacks are generally known to be configurable to a few different payback settings. (On that note, it would be nice to know if any of the accredited RTG casinos do use the high setting, because I like the games aside from the fairly high house edge.)

It could also be that the chance of hitting the jackpot+jackpot contribution varies by the slot played, perhaps I'll test that more another day.

Someone please correct me if i am wrong but i understood that in CWG several slots are linked to the same RJ, if you click thru the various slots in the lobby, you will find that certain groups of slots sit on the same RJ amount and rise together so it would be difficult to judge the allocated RTP from 1 slot.
Al

Yes, and when the jackpot is hit, the corresponding jackpot is reset for all of these slots. If you are implying that the contribution appears smaller because it is actually split up between separate jackpots for each slot, that doesn't really make sense because they all function as one combined, single jackpot.

Additionally, the possibility that others are playing at the same time, screwing up my testing just means that my estimates are the MAXIMUM possible value, other players adding their own wagers would mean the value is even lower.
 
I am not sure I see any such "well versed and articulate" person coming to the thread to provide this information, so care to give it a shot? I'm sure you'll do just fine. If I am truly wrong, it would be appreciated. Alternatively, if someone has provided this information elsewhere, you could provide a link.

Without knowing exactly how a jackpot works, it's always going to be theoretically possible that the contributions will add up in some incredibly bizarre and convoluted matter, but generally I don't think that's likely. I've tested with two different methods on both a low total jackpot and 2 different high total jackpots, with two different methods, getting a number well under 1% each time. The only other info I've seen is "he said, she said, I once heard from a reliable source," etc., that isn't really very useful.

As for the "yay I disproved them": who is the "them," we are referring to? I already provided a possibility of how the 1.5% could be true, I didn't say RTG is lying. It may just be that no reputable casinos use the setting which gives 1.5%. RTG slots paybacks are generally known to be configurable to a few different payback settings. (On that note, it would be nice to know if any of the accredited RTG casinos do use the high setting, because I like the games aside from the fairly high house edge.)

It could also be that the chance of hitting the jackpot+jackpot contribution varies by the slot played, perhaps I'll test that more another day.



Yes, and when the jackpot is hit, the corresponding jackpot is reset for all of these slots. If you are implying that the contribution appears smaller because it is actually split up between separate jackpots for each slot, that doesn't really make sense because they all function as one combined, single jackpot.

Additionally, the possibility that others are playing at the same time, screwing up my testing just means that my estimates are the MAXIMUM possible value, other players adding their own wagers would mean the value is even lower.

Thanks, this makes perfect sense, sorry i did not mean to imply anything just wondered if you had taken the RJ grouping into account.

Al
 
I am not sure I see any such "well versed and articulate" person coming to the thread to provide this information, so care to give it a shot? I'm sure you'll do just fine. If I am truly wrong, it would be appreciated. Alternatively, if someone has provided this information elsewhere, you could provide a link.

I'll keep it simple as I'm a fairly simple guy.

You stated on page 2:

Some of the games say something a long the lines that they will contribute "up to 1.5%," which is some misleading wording, as I think .3% is more accurate. It could depend on the slot or the site.

That implies RTG is being misleading on that particular issue. If you read the flow of thread it's clear the tone is there. However using your "test" which some seem to agree with doesn't make your statement correct. As RTG states "up to." The only part of your statement that makes it somewhat true is the fact that you state in a portion of it "I think" but then you go on to state things and speak as if they are facts. You haven't offered any facts only opinions presented as facts.

As for as presenting this information, I truly meant others here are better versed. Unlike some I'm well aware of the things I know or "think" I know. I have no problem admitting others are better than me when it comes to this topic. If they choose not to post, that's well within their right.
 
Just a quick addition. If you notice many things in life use the same terminology as it's almost no other way to say it. Read the punishment info for a crime. It would typically say "a fine up to" and or to include imprisonment "up to" or "no more than."

Nothing misleading about it.
 
RTG Randoms

I hit the random twice.Both times on a free chip.I know a few players who did the same.Happens too often for my liking.
 
I'll keep it simple as I'm a fairly simple guy.

You stated on page 2:

Some of the games say something a long the lines that they will contribute "up to 1.5%," which is some misleading wording, as I think .3% is more accurate. It could depend on the slot or the site.

That implies RTG is being misleading on that particular issue. If you read the flow of thread it's clear the tone is there. However using your "test" which some seem to agree with doesn't make your statement correct. As RTG states "up to." The only part of your statement that makes it somewhat true is the fact that you state in a portion of it "I think" but then you go on to state things and speak as if they are facts. You haven't offered any facts only opinions presented as facts.

As for as presenting this information, I truly meant others here are better versed. Unlike some I'm well aware of the things I know or "think" I know. I have no problem admitting others are better than me when it comes to this topic. If they choose not to post, that's well within their right.

Thank you for the clarification. To clarify my own opinion, I do think stating "up to 1.5%" is potentially misleading if it's not actually present anywhere, but misleading does not mean false - I could tell you that you've won a prize up to $1000, then give you a quarter, and I haven't really lied. As I've already said, they may have designed the software so that it could be set to 1.5%, but it could also be the case that no casino actually does this, making 1.5% a misleading figure. Just one of your standard online casino ethical grey areas.

But more interesting than the semantics would be if my test is, in some specific way, flawed. Particularly, a feasible way a jackpot could function such that my result could occur, but the contribution really is at the 1.5% figure, or evidence that in some cases the figure is higher. As I've said before, I've yet to see any contrary information.

As far as I can remember, I'm the only person who has actually presented any contrary possibilities to my own test, that the contribution would vary from slot to slot. This could be done as a potential way to even out the RTP from different game setups/reel configurations, but I don't know whether something like this is the case. Might give testing it a try next time I feel like blowing some money on RTG slots.


Edit: To reply to your addendum, I consider an "up to" statement misleading if, in practice, it never actually occurs, and does not have any realistic chance of occurring, to any close approximation of the maximum.
 

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