Raging Rhino Hits The UK High Streets

[slotter999]

True if a problem gambler is intent on gambling they will find an outlet. However with the new blanket SE option coming into effect next year it at least gives people the option to try help them stay away. They are no such safety nets in the bookmakers. Im all for gambling but these machines do not even give a fair game. I know your a dev of slots and no doubt will come back with maths model of them being random and so on and i dont doubt it (even though some slots offline are clearly compensated )


They are crap machines, built in a dreadful way which sucker people in, and the placement of the bookmakers on the high streets just because they can get up to 4 terminals per shop is so damn clear. In some cases the same bookmakers ... further down the street. They target deprived areas (even though they will deny this naturally) personally I would like to see them off the high street and see the bookmakers return to what they were. Dogs / Nags and so on.

If you don't play them how could you possibly know?

And what slot machine isn't built to sucker people in? A bad one?

 

[lotusch]

The rapist is now available at your local FOBT addiction therapy center ... .... its a shocking perverse hyrbid of the online version ...

Im not a FOBTs player but like to watch some of the videos online ... the below is not me ... but thought it was worth a share ... Higher Roller £20 Spins max payout £500




I never understood why people play the FOBTs as they are all capped at £500 max JP wins.
And then for RR to come in which obviously can pay much more than 500 quid.
So if you play £20 spins you can max win only 25x bet?

At least here in Ireland I can play Novomatic for example and if the win is 12000 Euro it will be paid and not capped at 500 euro.
Not that I would ever hit 12 grand but just saying..You get your full winnings paid...Think capped at some ridiculous high amount like 100k or something.


While add this topic, what is the story with all those slots on the ferries between Ireland & UK / UK & France...Under what law are those?
I assume also UKGC as all these slots take Sterling and pay out (if ever) in Sterling.
Never ever won on them...Mostly Barcrest slots I believe with these rigged higher/lower games to advance on the cash/feature ladder.
Roll a 2 and select higher and it still will roll a 1 or get 11 and pick lower and a twelve will come up, not sometimes but really really often...That is so vile and dire...They must be at 78% or something...Ferry sluts ehm I mean slots.

 

[Deeplay]

If you don't play them how could you possibly know?

And what slot machine isn't built to sucker people in? A bad one?

I know plenty of people who do play them and i have tried them in the past ... crap games. Last time was just before the meister meeting ... i spunked 60 quid into one before going
to the bash.

So next question lol ?

 

[Deeplay]

I never understood why people play the FOBTs as they are all capped at £500 max JP wins.
And then for RR to come in which obviously can pay much more than 500 quid.
So if you play £20 spins you can max win only 25x bet?

At least here in Ireland I can play Novomatic for example and if the win is 12000 Euro it will be paid and not capped at 500 euro.
Not that I would ever hit 12 grand but just saying..You get your full winnings paid...Think capped at some ridiculous high amount like 100k or something.


While add this topic, what is the story with all those slots on the ferries between Ireland & UK / UK & France...Under what law are those?
I assume also UKGC as all these slots take Sterling and pay out (if ever) in Sterling.
Never ever won on them...Mostly Barcrest slots I believe with these rigged higher/lower games to advance on the cash/feature ladder.
Roll a 2 and select higher and it still will roll a 1 or get 11 and pick lower and a twelve will come up, not sometimes but really really often...That is so vile and dire...They must be at 78% or something...Ferry sluts ehm I mean slots.

Agreed and the only people who you will see defend these machines are the bookmakers and game developers.

 

[slotter999]

I know plenty of people who do play them and i have tried them in the past ... crap games. Last time was just before the meister meeting ... i spunked 60 quid into one before going
to the bash.

So next question lol ?

OK so not the most informed view but not entirely speaking from a position of "never tried it" either. Fair enough.

But what about the slot that's not designed to suck you in? Can we agree there is no such thing?

 

[Deeplay]

OK so not the most informed view but not entirely speaking from a position of "never tried it" either. Fair enough.

But what about the slot that's not designed to suck you in? Can we agree there is no such thing?

Yep im quite informed thanks .... you dont need to try something to not be knowledgeable about it ...

your other question i cant be bothered to answer as I dont agree but cant be arsed even discussing it. Move on

 

[goatwack]

Yeah I don't get how anyone can defend these games, like they're to be admired for their slippery design and how much they can fleece off hapless addicts in record time

Gambling yes, but nowhere near comparable to online play. What's with porting all these popular online names? The developers that greenlit this decision to have this game in bookies have blatantly exploited its cult following, in the hope of ramping up profits.

The fact that this is allowed to even happen in 2017 shows what a charade 'Responsible' Gambling is, and that money matters above anything else to these predatory companies

 

[dunover]

OK so not the most informed view but not entirely speaking from a position of "never tried it" either. Fair enough.

But what about the slot that's not designed to suck you in? Can we agree there is no such thing?

Actually, no we can't. In the USA when slots are designed they cannot allow excessive or unnatural amounts of 'near misses', or other methods used to subliminally influence the player to spend more. This means continually getting say 7-7-0 with the missing 7 always one above or below the win line.

This isn't as clearly defined in the UK, so what we get are those awful 'BAR-X-7' games with no spaces on the reels so EVERY spin will produce a view of being one or two positions from the win. The look at games like TS2 by MG - how many times do you see 2 scatters 1/2 and the slow spin, fail and then every other time it appears in the required spaces NEXT spin, whereas randomly it only appears on say reel 5 1/20 spins?

Another get around is those 'super stacks' we see on many US-designed slots, which because as they are an inbuilt feature of the pay tables (say on Cleopatra Plus and many Bally slots) are excluded from deliberate 'tempter' rules. So in this case we see frickin' great stacks of Rhinos spinning round and because it's likely the player knows the Rapist already and how huge just two rhinos on each reel would pay (online 64x7.5xstake 480x bet) they are subconsciously drawn to the false perception of a huge win which is actually impossible as the max pay is a poxy £500.

These FOBT games are simply the faeces of the gambling industry. The UK is one of very few countries that have ever (and still do) allow rigged (compensated) gambling slots under the guise of 'Amusement With Prizes' and although these are B2 Category and supposed to be random unlike AWP's, the developers are clearly using subliminal temptation, and not only that getting around the max £100 stake rules (hopefully soon to be booted) by allowing pictorial gambles (the green/red bar in the video) of amounts sometimes of several hundred pounds.

 

[lockinlove]

I think because its made so easy. No checks no id nothing. You just walk in off the street, find a FOBT and away you go. And I think because its cash in/ cash out if you win... you just take the ticket to the counter and your paid. The RTP changes as well, example you get a lower RTP say 91% on £1 a spin and that goes up to say 92% at £2 per spin. Its not hidden its all in the rules but these games are supposed to be random when in truth many of them are clearly compensated games. Crap foul machines .... which I would like to see banned from the high street! But it wont happen .... to much money in it.


Go down any deprived area of the UK and you will find 2 or 3 or even 4 different bookies on the same high street. All because they can have up to 4 machines per shop. Corals Ladrbookes and WH being the worst offenders.

Still though, getting addicted to this over $500 max win seems incredibly silly. I can understand someone walking by and throwing $20 in it to see if they get lucky but to dump anything in this more than that seems not very bright.

 

[dunover]

Still though, getting addicted to this over $500 max win seems incredibly silly. I can understand someone walking by and throwing $20 in it to see if they get lucky but to dump anything in this more than that seems not very bright.

And that is exactly why the machines proliferate in poorer urban areas with a high proportion of under-educated, vulnerable or immigrant people (who often come from cultures with no awareness of gambling and the associated pitfalls and math of it).

 

[slotter999]

Actually, no we can't. In the USA when slots are designed they cannot allow excessive or unnatural amounts of 'near misses', or other methods used to subliminally influence the player to spend more. This means continually getting say 7-7-0 with the missing 7 always one above or below the win line.

This isn't as clearly defined in the UK, so what we get are those awful 'BAR-X-7' games with no spaces on the reels so EVERY spin will produce a view of being one or two positions from the win. The look at games like TS2 by MG - how many times do you see 2 scatters 1/2 and the slow spin, fail and then every other time it appears in the required spaces NEXT spin, whereas randomly it only appears on say reel 5 1/20 spins?

Another get around is those 'super stacks' we see on many US-designed slots, which because as they are an inbuilt feature of the pay tables (say on Cleopatra Plus and many Bally slots) are excluded from deliberate 'tempter' rules. So in this case we see frickin' great stacks of Rhinos spinning round and because it's likely the player knows the Rapist already and how huge just two rhinos on each reel would pay (online 64x7.5xstake 480x bet) they are subconsciously drawn to the false perception of a huge win which is actually impossible as the max pay is a poxy £500.

These FOBT games are simply the faeces of the gambling industry. The UK is one of very few countries that have ever (and still do) allow rigged (compensated) gambling slots under the guise of 'Amusement With Prizes' and although these are B2 Category and supposed to be random unlike AWP's, the developers are clearly using subliminal temptation, and not only that getting around the max £100 stake rules (hopefully soon to be booted) by allowing pictorial gambles (the green/red bar in the video) of amounts sometimes of several hundred pounds.

Hi Dunover,

Your response is worthy of a detailed response which I'll do once I'm back in front of a computer as it becomes a bit tricky just using my phone.

Cheers

 

[zinger549]

If you want to play WMS games in England then stick to online. Aspers used to have some proper WMS machines when they first opened (Monkees, Jewels of Africa, Super Jackpot Party and some others.) Now the only ones you get are these crap FOBT versions. Hopefully one day we might be some proper WMS machines back in the casino but until then just have to stick to online.

 

[nutnut]

how is it legal to stake £20 but max win £500................

 

[Jono777]

Wondered how long it would take....

 

[slot_zombie]

If you want to play WMS games in England then stick to online. Aspers used to have some proper WMS machines when they first opened (Monkees, Jewels of Africa, Super Jackpot Party and some others.) Now the only ones you get are these crap FOBT versions. Hopefully one day we might be some proper WMS machines back in the casino but until then just have to stick to online.

WMS withdrew from the UK market several years ago due to it being too small to bother with, and being dominated by Novomatic and IGT.

Since their subsequent takeover by SG, they are of course now one and the same company as IGT. It would make great sense for SG to introduce proper versions of Rhino, Montezuma etc. into the casinos on the standard 94% RTP with a top prize of £10,000 - would much better than the Lobstermania / Fort Knox rubbish. So that means it will probably never happen, sadly.

The FOBT versions are, as already pointed out, rubbish - but infinitely superior to the dumbed-down, 3 reel versions infesting the arcades in the Triple 7 cabinets. £100 top prize on Wizard Of Oz etc., £1 a go and a horrid 88% compensated RTP.

 

[dunover]

WMS withdrew from the UK market several years ago due to it being too small to bother with, and being dominated by Novomatic and IGT.

Since their subsequent takeover by SG, they are of course now one and the same company as IGT. It would make great sense for SG to introduce proper versions of Rhino, Montezuma etc. into the casinos on the standard 94% RTP with a top prize of £10,000 - would much better than the Lobstermania / Fort Knox rubbish. So that means it will probably never happen, sadly.

The FOBT versions are, as already pointed out, rubbish - but infinitely superior to the dumbed-down, 3 reel versions infesting the arcades in the Triple 7 cabinets. £100 top prize on Wizard Of Oz etc., £1 a go and a horrid 88% compensated RTP.

I think you may have that a bit wrong - Scientific Gaming own Barcrest, Bally, Shuffle Master and WMS. IGT and High5Gaming are owned by GTECH which has since 2015 been part of a UK holding company. Like a full circle, IGT took over the UK company Wagerworks, now the whole lot is UK listed.

 

[zinger549]

Yes , It's just shame they don't have WMS multi game machines, with proper versions of the games like you find online.

 

[Deeplay]

Wondered how long it would take....


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Yup they know they are onto a winner with this one! I might even break my own rule and go in and give it 50 quid of spins , film and show on here. Seen quite a few YT videos of this and those reels are gimped to f@@fkk ...

 

[slotter999]

I did go and take a quick look at this slot and the RTP is poor.....86% at 20p stakes rising to a maximum of 91% for £2 stakes. That's outrageous. This was pretty much the case for all FOBT Scientific Gaming games. What an absolute bunch of ****s!!!

 

[ricky]

I did go and take a quick look at this slot and the RTP is poor.....86% at 20p stakes rising to a maximum of 91% for £2 stakes. That's outrageous. This was pretty much the case for all FOBT Scientific Gaming games. What an absolute bunch of ****s!!!

thats why i play keybet roulette

 

[tataru]

My god frightening stuff, don't forget you only get 90-92% in the FOBTs too which makes it worse. More money to be sucked out of the vulnerable in the local communities.

P.S. I have never played one of these FOBTs in my life and never will. Horrific games. I've been in a bookies twice in about 20 years and no doubt they're still the soulless places they were then, full of the sad and desperate dressed in £10 Primark outfits while shoving 20's in these machines. I had never even been in a land-based casino until the first time I attended a Meistermeet a few years back.

the good thing about online gambling is you can forget about hygiene and clothing alltogether.
living in a pair of 1$ pants and of a sack of flour.
a professional gambler needs nothing more.