Raging Rhino Hits The UK High Streets

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The rapist is now available at your local FOBT addiction therapy center ... .... its a shocking perverse hyrbid of the online version ...

Im not a FOBTs player but like to watch some of the videos online ... the below is not me ... but thought it was worth a share ... Higher Roller £20 Spins max payout £500 :eek::eek::eek2::eek2:


 
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Oh good. Now I can do my best John Wayne impression when leaving the bookies :eek2:
 

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See the gimped reels with the "stampede" feature ... never seen so many Rhinos MISS ....
 

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Oh good. Now I can do my best John Wayne impression when leaving the bookies :eek2:

Well if you see a FOBT terminal fly out of the window of your local bookies you know Dunover is in town playing the High Street Rapist and TwinSpin :p .... imagine though Bonanza in the bookies :eek::eek::eek:
 

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The rapist is now available at your local FOBT addiction therapy center ... .... its a shocking perverse hyrbid of the online version ...

Im not a FOBTs player but like to watch some of the videos online ... the below is not me ... but thought it was worth a share ... Higher Roller £20 Spins max payout £500 :eek::eek::eek2::eek2:



My god frightening stuff, don't forget you only get 90-92% in the FOBTs too which makes it worse. More money to be sucked out of the vulnerable in the local communities.

P.S. I have never played one of these FOBTs in my life and never will. Horrific games. I've been in a bookies twice in about 20 years and no doubt they're still the soulless places they were then, full of the sad and desperate dressed in £10 Primark outfits while shoving 20's in these machines. I had never even been in a land-based casino until the first time I attended a Meistermeet a few years back.
 
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Well if you see a FOBT terminal fly out of the window of your local bookies you know Dunover is in town playing the High Street Rapist and TwinSpin :p .... imagine though Bonanza in the bookies :eek::eek::eek:

If Roulette makes people go nutso at these machines just imagine people with a temper playing rhino...glad I never got that job in william hill I applied for :D:p
 

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My god frightening stuff, don't forget you only get 90-92% in the FOBTs too which makes it worse. More money to be sucked out of the vulnerable in the local communities.

Yup they pretty vile machines .... but tells you something when the UKGC spends so much effort legislating online gambling (e.g no more than 100 auto spins :mad:) and yet never so much takes a look at these foul machines where anyone who looks over 18 can walk in and play.
 

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Sod that for a game of "Heres my wages, Slap my arse, Call me stupid & sweep me out the door like a scrumpled betting slip"..


No thank you.
 

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Why is the max payout only 500?

Anal UK gambling rules for the bookmakers ... but nothing stopping a person spunk 100 a quid in less than a minute ... they are truly chronic machines .... and highly addictive making millions in revenue for the bookies and in tax revenue ...
 

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Knew this wouldn't take long after they saw the popularity of Montezuma and jumped on the band wagon with the shittest version I've ever seen.

Have a FOBT punt once every 2-3 weeks, only £20 or so but "wannabe Rhino" won't be seeing any of it.

Can sit here and win thousands for penny stakes but those bloody things limited to 500x and then usually only if you play £1/£2 stakes.

I can see me going back to playing "Pound up the wall" for my gambling 'fix' before much longer :rolleyes:
 

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Anal UK gambling rules for the bookmakers ... but nothing stopping a person spunk 100 a quid in less than a minute ... they are truly chronic machines .... and highly addictive making millions in revenue for the bookies and in tax revenue ...

So why the frig are people playing these machines lol? That just sounds atrocious not addictive
 

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So why the frig are people playing these machines lol? That just sounds atrocious not addictive

I think because its made so easy. No checks no id nothing. You just walk in off the street, find a FOBT and away you go. And I think because its cash in/ cash out if you win... you just take the ticket to the counter and your paid. The RTP changes as well, example you get a lower RTP say 91% on £1 a spin and that goes up to say 92% at £2 per spin. Its not hidden its all in the rules but these games are supposed to be random when in truth many of them are clearly compensated games. Crap foul machines .... which I would like to see banned from the high street! But it wont happen .... to much money in it.


Go down any deprived area of the UK and you will find 2 or 3 or even 4 different bookies on the same high street. All because they can have up to 4 machines per shop. Corals Ladrbookes and WH being the worst offenders.
 

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So why the frig are people playing these machines lol? That just sounds atrocious not addictive

I really don't know. I'm all for gambling, obviously! But these take things to a new level and have caused chronic problems and sucked the life from many poorer more vulnerable urban communities. So profitable are these that Bookmakers apply for licenses to open premises near another branch simply to get around the rule of 4 per shop, so they can have 8 in two shops where there are a lot of addicts. The average profit is about 1,000 Pounds per week per machine, up 9% on last year. So 200k for a low-rent small shop with staffing costs of say 50k per year - go figure!

The prizes are limited because they are not casinos and these games are under B2 rules: read this article from Parliament Briefings UK.

What are fixed odds betting terminals?

Fixed odds betting terminals (FOBTs) are electronic machines, sited in betting shops, which contain a variety of games, including roulette. Each machine accepts bets for amounts up to a pre-set maximum and pays out according to fixed odds on the simulated outcomes of games.

The Gambling Act 2005 classified FOBTs as B2 gaming machines. Up to four machines can be sited on betting premises. The maximum stake on a single bet is £100, the maximum prize is £500.

There are 34,388 B2 machines in Great Britain (Gambling Commission statistics, May 2017). The gross gambling yield from B2s was £1.8 billion.

Why are they controversial?

Critics point out that it is possible to lose large amounts of money and claim that the machines have a causal role in problem gambling.

The gambling industry says there is no evidence of a causal link between B2s and problem gambling. It also claims that reducing the maximum stake to £2, as some critics are campaigning for, would put betting shops and jobs at risk.

Academic research suggests the causes of problem gambling are complex and are not well understood.

The Responsible Gambling Strategy Board (an independent body advising the Gambling Commission) has noted the “regulatory dilemma” of balancing the enjoyment of the majority who gamble without experiencing harm with the protection of a minority who are at risk.

What’s been done?

The industry has taken a number of initiatives to promote responsible gambling. These include a Code of Practice, self-exclusion schemes, and the introduction of a Player Awareness System.

In response to public concern about B2s, the Coalition Government introduced the Gaming Machine (Circumstances of Use) (Amendment) Regulations 2015. The Regulations require those wanting to stake over £50 on a machine to load cash via staff interaction or to use account based play. The aim is to encourage greater player control and more conscious decision making.

What next?

In October 2016, the DCMS announced a review of gaming machines and social responsibility measures to “ensure that we have the right balance between a sector that can grow and contribute to the economy, and one that is socially responsible and doing all it can to protect consumers and communities”. The review included a “close look” at B2 machines and the specific concerns about the harms they can cause.

A call for evidence closed on 4 December 2016. The Government hoped to publish its findings and proposals in spring 2017. This didn’t happen.
 

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Always found it hard to comprehend why people play these in bookmakers. Winning a capped top prize of £500 on machines with lower RTP than land-based or online casinos just doesn't make sense.

I've seen plenty of FOBT videos on YouTube and read in the comments like "I saw a guy lose five grand yesterday" - clearly an addiction to the actual game rather than winning money.

Never played one of those evil machines and never plan too. Sitting at the bus stop most nights coming home from work, peering through the bookies window watching the effect it has on people :(

Sooner these are banned or max bet is dropped the better.
 

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Anal UK gambling rules for the bookmakers ... but nothing stopping a person spunk 100 a quid in less than a minute ... they are truly chronic machines .... and highly addictive making millions in revenue for the bookies and in tax revenue ...

No more/less addictive than online gambling, and at least you can't bet 400 quid a spin in 3 seconds in a bookies...
That said, i used to make games for these and yet i rarely played them outside of work requirements... low RTP, super-volatile, shite
 

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Always found it hard to comprehend why people play these in bookmakers. Winning a capped top prize of £500 on machines with lower RTP than land-based or online casinos just doesn't make sense.

I've seen plenty of FOBT videos on YouTube and read in the comments like "I saw a guy lose five grand yesterday" - clearly an addiction to the actual game rather than winning money.

Never played one of those evil machines and never plan too. Sitting at the bus stop most nights coming home from work, peering through the bookies window watching the effect it has on people :(

Sooner these are banned or max bet is dropped the better.

The Max Bet is very likely to come down to around 20 quid (if not less) this year or next...
 

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I have quite a different view to what appears to be the majority view here which is in many instances I prefer the FOBT versions of a game, specifically, the big bet enchanced game.

The implementation differs from game to game but generally speaking it's a much faster way to reach the desired features without the need to grind in the base game.

Coral offer a lot of these types of games on their website and if you haven't tried them then you should give them a try.

On the point of big bet and some companies doing it better than others.....CR games does it well in my opinion. WMS are the absolute worst. Netent also have big bet versions of their slots and I've never lost on twin spin doing £50 spins which guarantees three linked reels at the start.

As for the rtp....big bet can be anywhere upto 94% which isn't so bad. Most players will likely never realise the true RTP of a slot anyways so getting hung up on a few percentage points seems odd to me. If RTP was the defacto decision criteria for slots wouldn't we all be playing monopoly big event big bets for 99%?
 

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No more/less addictive than online gambling, and at least you can't bet 400 quid a spin in 3 seconds in a bookies...
That said, i used to make games for these and yet i rarely played them outside of work requirements... low RTP, super-volatile, shite

Your looking at it in the wrong way. The issue is more about player protection - which finally with regulated online casinos is actually really starting to take shape.

Not so in the bookmakers. SE from a william hills on one street, and I can almost guarantee you will be allowed in the next WH on the next high street.
The system does not work and can not work in its current format. You have no way to employ deposit limits or tab like you can online. The one way to do this would be with a carding system to enter the bookmakers. 1 account per person. Totally doable. Will they look at this ? No of course not , because these machines make too much money.

As for limiting the max bet/amount per minute... dont hold your breath. They have been discussing this for years ... it never happens. Finally the games themselves are crap badly put together shite ... Netent being one of the worst in this dept when it comes to the FOBTs ...
 

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Your looking at it in the wrong way. The issue is more about player protection - which finally with regulated online casinos is actually really starting to take shape.

Not so in the bookmakers. SE from a william hills on one street, and I can almost guarantee you will be allowed in the next WH on the next high street.
The system does not work and can not work in its current format. You have no way to employ deposit limits or tab like you can online. The one way to do this would be with a carding system to enter the bookmakers. 1 account per person. Totally doable. Will they look at this ? No of course not , because these machines make too much money.

As for limiting the max bet/amount per minute... dont hold your breath. They have been discussing this for years ... it never happens. Finally the games themselves are crap badly put together shite ... Netent being one of the worst in this dept when it comes to the FOBTs ...

Well, NetEnt don't do the UK versions of their games, they are done by a third party - and actually, the information i have is that the max bet will almost certainly come down. This isn't hearsay any more...

Also, your argument about Self-Exclusion - it's ok to a point, but there are SO many online casinos, that i could nearly always find somewhere else to go if i want to... Also, i find that if i'm handing over cash, i spend less than if it's just a value on a screen. Plus i am limited to the amount of cash i can take out in one go, but online i can spunk my whole credit card / bank account if i want to...

Swings and roundabouts...
 

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Well, NetEnt don't do the UK versions of their games, they are done by a third party - and actually, the information i have is that the max bet will almost certainly come down. This isn't hearsay any more...

Also, your argument about Self-Exclusion - it's ok to a point, but there are SO many online casinos, that i could nearly always find somewhere else to go if i want to... Also, i find that if i'm handing over cash, i spend less than if it's just a value on a screen. Plus i am limited to the amount of cash i can take out in one go, but online i can spunk my whole credit card / bank account if i want to...

Swings and roundabouts...

True if a problem gambler is intent on gambling they will find an outlet. However with the new blanket SE option coming into effect next year it at least gives people the option to try help them stay away. They are no such safety nets in the bookmakers. Im all for gambling but these machines do not even give a fair game. I know your a dev of slots and no doubt will come back with maths model of them being random and so on and i dont doubt it (even though some slots offline are clearly compensated )


They are crap machines, built in a dreadful way which sucker people in, and the placement of the bookmakers on the high streets just because they can get up to 4 terminals per shop is so damn clear. In some cases the same bookmakers ... further down the street. They target deprived areas (even though they will deny this naturally) personally I would like to see them off the high street and see the bookmakers return to what they were. Dogs / Nags and so on.
 

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True if a problem gambler is intent on gambling they will find an outlet. However with the new blanket SE option coming into effect next year it at least gives people the option to try help them stay away. They are no such safety nets in the bookmakers. Im all for gambling but these machines do not even give a fair game. I know your a dev of slots and no doubt will come back with maths model of them being random and so on and i dont doubt it (even though some slots offline are clearly compensated )


They are crap machines, built in a dreadful way which sucker people in, and the placement of the bookmakers on the high streets just because they can get up to 4 terminals per shop is so damn clear. In some cases the same bookmakers ... further down the street. They target deprived areas (even though they will deny this naturally) personally I would like to see them off the high street and see the bookmakers return to what they were. Dogs / Nags and so on.

You won't get a disagreement from me on the quality of games in bookmakers... They are absolutely designed to suck money in the hope of a big win... But people play those type of games. Vicious circle.

And as you well know, B3 games can legally be compensated (B2 and B1 cannot)...
 

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You won't get a disagreement from me on the quality of games in bookmakers... They are absolutely designed to suck money in the hope of a big win... But people play those type of games. Vicious circle.

And as you well know, B3 games can legally be compensated (B2 and B1 cannot)...


Yup and just because something is legal does not make it good .... its shocking there is even such a term.
 

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Yup and just because something is legal does not make it good .... its shocking there is even such a term.

Not really - compensation is not bad per-se... fruit machines have been compensated their entire lives...
I used to love doing Fruit Machines...

Most manufacturers don't compensate any more for B3 - only Project that i know of (and possibly Storm games) - although i tend to avoid the games that say it. Compensation on these games tends to be pretty loose anyway, and is mainly done to stop games being too volatile...
 
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