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Quicktender and TD Bank

Discussion in 'America the Beautiful' started by jakzak, Mar 5, 2011.

    Mar 5, 2011
  1. jakzak

    jakzak Dormant account

    Occupation:
    self employeed
    Location:
    new jersey
    Living in the US the options are few as far as online gambling is concerned. I opened an account at 3dice and really liked the site. I was told they did not accept direct credit card deposits and was invited to open a quicktender account which i did.
    We tried to get a deposit through 3 times, but were unsuccessful. Later that night I was out to dinner with my family and when I wnet to pay for the meal I was told my debit card was declined. I know I had plenty of funds to cover the check so I called the customer service number on the back of my TD card. It was then I was told my account was closed due to the fact I was using it for online gameing. I explained I was unaware of the policy and they did reopen my account and released my funds.

    Just a warning if playing with your debit card, make sure your bank does not have a policy with regards to online gaming.

    Alan
     
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  2. Mar 5, 2011
  3. Diane

    Diane Ueber Meister PABnoaccred

    Occupation:
    Consultant - HR
    Location:
    WI
    Thanks for the info on your experience.

    I am surprised that at QT transaction got flagged as online gaming. It was good that you were able to get the account reopened.

    However, it does reinforce what I have always recommended which is to totally segregate your online (and B&M) financial transactions from your typical family household and other investment accounts.

    Set up an account JUST FOR GAMBLING - NOTHING ELSE - Don't co-mingle it with other funds. Use it only as the in/out vehicle for QT transactions. Then as the account (hopefully) builds up a nice balance, withdraw it in cash, or convert it to pre-paid Visa card type instruments and do with it as you will. I don't recommend keeping any significant dollars in the account.

    IMO
    Diane
     
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  4. Mar 5, 2011
  5. ksech

    ksech Dormant account

    Occupation:
    yes
    Location:
    Here
    The thing is, you have be careful, because more and more institutions are blocking international wire transfers. QT comes through as an international wire transfer, I've had one account closed because of this and my new account uses MC to get around this. I can go sign a waiver to allow this, but have to state what it is for. I'm not sure if this would be different for a business account rather than a personal account though.
     
  6. Mar 5, 2011
  7. me_and_ed

    me_and_ed Ueber Meister CAG MM

    Occupation:
    Selling out
    Location:
    Vancouver
    Kinda funny, TD is a Canadian bank doing business internationally, no restrictions in Canada with the exceptions of the credit cards getting declined for gaming transactions.
     
  8. Mar 6, 2011
  9. rockycatt

    rockycatt meistercatt CAG MM

    Occupation:
    carpenter
    Location:
    Boston
    new jersey governor just recently voted out/down online gaming maby this was a brown nose the state administration thingy
     
  10. Mar 6, 2011
  11. voodookitty

    voodookitty Dormant account

    Occupation:
    Restaurant Manager
    Location:
    California
    My Wired Plastic acct. was closed about 6 months ago due to transactions with Quick Tender.
    I didn't know it, until I went to withdraw some money from the ATM machine and was declined.

    I had some problems getting them to release the balance on the card, back to me.
    They kept telling me that someone would contact me regarding my acct., as it was "under investigation"..... but, no one ever did.

    I ended up filing a complaint with the Better Business Bureau and shortly after, I received a check from Wired Plastic.
     
  12. Mar 6, 2011
  13. Diane

    Diane Ueber Meister PABnoaccred

    Occupation:
    Consultant - HR
    Location:
    WI
    My payments from QT to my gaming credit union account come through as wire transfers marked "commissions" or "settlement". So far no problems, but I remain every wary and vigilant....

    Diane
     
  14. Mar 6, 2011
  15. vinylweatherman

    vinylweatherman You type well loads CAG MM

    Occupation:
    STILL At Leisure
    Location:
    United Kingdom

    Maybe you shouldn't be. The banks have been gathering intelligence for a while now, and from recent seizures it seems the authorities know more than they are letting on.

    Now that it seems QT has been flagged, there is a risk that there are already moves under way to seize some of it's funds. The first you will know is when they have extended "technical difficulties".

    This bank also seems to have a policy of "shoot first, ask questions later". Maybe this is a scare tactic being used against those customers caught out, hoping to frighten them into NEVER trying it again, even if casinos come up with a "work around".

    Segregating internet and "normal" finances between 2 (or more) different banks is now even more important than ever, so that a sudden account freeze ONLY affects the gambling fund, and NOT the food & bills fund.

    I wonder when the rank & file US citizen will rise up because this starts to cripple their NON GAMBLING transactions, as it already seems that ALL international transactions are being throttled by implementation of UIGEA, yet they are not ILLEGAL, merely REPORTABLE to the IRS where more than $10K is held offshore.

    In the end, this will make the determined player an accomplished money launderer, as they fight to keep their hobby alive. In the long term, this is an "arms race", and every move of oppression will be met by an even more complicated solution. It's the same with tax law, every time taxes increase, accountants dream up ever more complicated avoidance schemes, and in the end NO-ONE, not even the TAXMAN, understands the law, and how much tax has been evaded.
     
  16. Mar 6, 2011
  17. ksech

    ksech Dormant account

    Occupation:
    yes
    Location:
    Here
    Is your bank charging you an international wire fee? If so, this is where they are catching peoples accounts, it doesn't matter how it is coming through (i.e. settlement/commission) it's still an international wire transfer.
     
  18. Mar 6, 2011
  19. ballysdb

    ballysdb Dormant account

    Occupation:
    automotive biller
    Location:
    Long Island NY
    I also have Td Bank which flagged Quicktender as a "gambling" site quite a while ago.

    What scares me is that someone posted that Td bank doesnt allow international wire transfers.

    I recentley cashed out at Rich Reels and requested a wire transfer as they did not have many options. Should I be worried? I didnt want to ask my branch if they allowed Int. wire transfers.
     
  20. Mar 6, 2011
  21. ballysdb

    ballysdb Dormant account

    Occupation:
    automotive biller
    Location:
    Long Island NY
    Rich Reels says it will take 5-10 business days for the money to hit my checking account. Friday requested cashout...24 hours later its not pending anymore...Monday it gets proccessed.

    So I should excpect to receive it Mon the 14th or Mon the 21st. Does that sound right? I'm not saying it doesn't...just havent cashed out in about 8 years! lol
     
  22. Mar 8, 2011
  23. reda

    reda Senior Member PABnonaccred

    Occupation:
    cleaning bussiness
    Location:
    HOUSTON
    i noticed before when i was depositing with the alert pay option that my bank charged me a 2.00 international fee and i kinda got worried about that and am glad now that alert pay option is no longer available to me.
     
  24. Mar 8, 2011
  25. Stovetopp

    Stovetopp Senior Member MM

    Occupation:
    Retired
    Location:
    On the Beach
    TD BANK specifically states on their website and on their statement that they do not accept or disbuse funds to or from Gambling sites. That was the first thing I noticed so why take chances
     
  26. Mar 8, 2011
  27. Diane

    Diane Ueber Meister PABnoaccred

    Occupation:
    Consultant - HR
    Location:
    WI
    There is no charge from the credit union for these INCOMING wires from QT or direct from the sites I use. I will look closer when the next settlement comes trhoug on what it shows for the issuing bank. Last time I looked it showed a bank in Florida, if I recall correctly.

    Diane
     
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  28. Mar 8, 2011
  29. felicie

    felicie Ueber Meister PABnononaccred

    Occupation:
    self employed
    Location:
    somewhere else

    Good for you filing a complaint since it sounds as though WP was just trying to scare you out of collecting your own money. :thumbsup:
     
  30. Mar 8, 2011
  31. jelsmith

    jelsmith Zombicidal Maniac PABnononaccred

    Occupation:
    Special Effects Make-up Artist
    Location:
    nashville tn
    Its possible they are ACHing these in through US banks opposed to international wires especially if the bank is not charging a fee. The easiest way to tell is what time they show up. If they show up in the middle of the day at say 11am its a wire if it only post at night and shows first thing in the morining its ACH. Banks are required to post a wire the second they get it they are not allowed to wait til that nights posting at like 3am or whenever they update.
     
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  32. Mar 8, 2011
  33. Mousey

    Mousey Ueber Meister Mouse CAG

    Occupation:
    Pencil Pusher
    Location:
    Up$hitCreek
    I still don't see how these banks can get upset about funds moving to and from an eWallet. Directly to and from a casino, maybe. but an ewallet?? an ewallet is not a casino.

    The little bank where I had QT withdrawals sent, took exception to 'international' transfers. Things were getting more complicated and I just quit trying to deposit and play.

    the last time I cashed out from QT to my bank, it cost $30 in QT fees, $15 bank fees, and a mysterious missing $5 that when to who-knows-where fee. so I never had less than $550 withdrawn because it just cost too much.

    And then there's the fees of loading a prepaid debit card (I would never, ever use my bank debit or cc) and the cost to transfer funds from prepaid to QT. :rolleyes:

    Hell the games don't have to be -EV for us to lose money. We're in the hole before we even make a deposit.
     
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  34. Mar 8, 2011
  35. vinylweatherman

    vinylweatherman You type well loads CAG MM

    Occupation:
    STILL At Leisure
    Location:
    United Kingdom
    Probably just fear of being busted for not properly enforcing UIGEA. The ban on ALL international wires may be down to the banks knowing how hard it is to tell the difference between ones they should block, and ones they should allow, and just not wanting the problem at all, thus banning ALL such wires.
     
  36. Mar 8, 2011
  37. ballysdb

    ballysdb Dormant account

    Occupation:
    automotive biller
    Location:
    Long Island NY
    So how will I know if they block it? If they do how will I get paid? :confused:
     
  38. Mar 8, 2011
  39. ksech

    ksech Dormant account

    Occupation:
    yes
    Location:
    Here
    If the bank blocks it, you can ask the casino if they will send it Money Gram or Western Union. Some will, some won't. Make sure you ask what the fees are...
     

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