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question regarding Video Poker Jack Or Better (9/6)

Discussion in 'Online Casinos' started by oyw7862, Jun 21, 2008.

    Jun 21, 2008
  1. oyw7862

    oyw7862 Quit Gambling

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    Hi All:
    I am currently playing VP JoB.
    As I am lazy so and not good at perfect play(80% correct:eek2:), but I do want to hit a RF. It has been 3 months I did not hit one(daily 2k+ hands) on this game(JOB).

    I have been sitting for about 20 hours and watching(-700$ now). Not even one close to hit.

    So I guess that maybe using auto-play and MG stradgy will make game less hit.

    can some one tell me that should I swith to the manual play and reference the stradgy from wizard of odds?

    thanks

    attached my play sessions till now, I have prepared 3 RF as bankroll.
     
  2. Jun 21, 2008
  3. GrandMaster

    GrandMaster Ueber Meister CAG

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    You expect to get one RF in about 40000 hands on average. You have nothing to complain about yet.
     
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  4. Jun 21, 2008
  5. oyw7862

    oyw7862 Quit Gambling

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    "Yet" :lolup::lolup::lolup::lolup::lolup:
    thanks
     
  6. Jun 21, 2008
  7. oyw7862

    oyw7862 Quit Gambling

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    27000 hands and down 1000$ @1.25 per hand

    Not so good looks like.

    So Thanks grand master, how big % can I get for 1 RF in 40K hands ?

    is it bigger than 50%?
     
  8. Jun 21, 2008
  9. niklas

    niklas Dormant account

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    To determine this, we take the chance of NOT hitting an RF, i.e. 39,999 / 40,000, and raise to the power of 40,000:

    (39 999 / 40 000)^40 000 = 0.367874843

    The chance of hitting an RF in 40k hands is then 1 - 0.367874843 or approximately 63.2%.

    With the same method we find that you already had a ~53% chance of hitting one within your 27k hands. Since the gambler's fallacy isn't true, this means that you now only have a ~31.5% chance of hitting it within the 13k hands you have left before having played a total of 40k.

    (The real chance is actually 0.00002476, or 1 in ~40388, but we'll keep it simple. We'll also ignore that no one will play the true optimal strategy using a strategy table, as those are always more or less simplified.)
     
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  10. Jun 21, 2008
  11. james01

    james01 Dormant account

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    But if you're playing only to get a royal flush, as opposed to playing standard strategy (which you would use in order to win as frequently as possible), you might raise your chances of getting that royal flush, but lose more money at the same time.
     
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  12. Jun 21, 2008
  13. GaryWatson

    GaryWatson Dormant account

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    I find it hard to imagine going for the odds in a video poker game. The 40,000/1 is not a true reflection of card odds. The game is more of a slots style game. Maybe that is why it is set at 40,000/1, but chasing the r/f for a small % seems a bad strategy right away.
     
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  14. Jun 21, 2008
  15. niklas

    niklas Dormant account

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    Certainly true. I've also seen strategies to lower variance at the cost of a slightly higher house edge. I imagine going against optimal strategy to raise your chance of an RF will raise the house edge considerably.

    Edit: Even if you don't go to the extremes of throwing away a 3OAK to keep one ace.
     
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  16. Jun 21, 2008
  17. james01

    james01 Dormant account

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    Like I said, you'd lose more money, but if all you care about is hitting that royal flush, you should be able to increase the odds by playing every hand to win the royal flush rather than for the best chance of winning anything.

    You'd be dumping regular flushes and straights and every pair/3-of-a-kind, so you'd lose almost every hand.

    Terrible strategy, but might get you the royal flush.
     
  18. Jun 22, 2008
  19. GaryWatson

    GaryWatson Dormant account

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    I hit one playing 100 handed at min stakes. Not really worth it but it was nice all the same
     
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  20. Jun 22, 2008
  21. oyw7862

    oyw7862 Quit Gambling

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    keep updating. done another 10K
    still none RF, down 1700$
     
  22. Jun 22, 2008
  23. vinylweatherman

    vinylweatherman You type well loads CAG MM

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    I generally play the 4-UP version, so it takes only a quarter the time to get through 40,000 hands. This is only an average though, the variance is very high. Players can go for longer than this and never see the Royal.


    It is a bit like going to catch a bus into town. Someone tells you it's a regular 15 minute service, so you don't bother looking up the times, you just go to the stop and wait...... and wait........

    ....and wait....

    You seem to find that 15 minutes was just an average, but sometimes it can be ages because the buses are so inefficiently run....


    and I am sure those who have experienced waiting for a bus know what happens after you have waited 4x as long as you should for the bus;)
     

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  24. Jun 22, 2008
  25. oyw7862

    oyw7862 Quit Gambling

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    that was beautiful. did you just get it, wait I seen it on winner screen longtime agao.:lolup:
     
  26. Jun 22, 2008
  27. vinylweatherman

    vinylweatherman You type well loads CAG MM

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    Same one - only get this once in a lifetime (well, actually I got it TWICE, but number 2 was when I discarded all 5 cards, and a pat RF dropped in).

    Forget about 1 in 40,000 this was 1 in 750,000:D
     
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  28. Jun 22, 2008
  29. oyw7862

    oyw7862 Quit Gambling

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    now 38000 another 2K to go then fed up
     
  30. Jun 22, 2008
  31. SlotsWizard

    SlotsWizard Dormant account webmeister

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    If you disabled MG's autohold and used the Wizard's strategy instead, you would still have gotten the same results since his optimal strategy represents perfect play. I would recommend keeping autohold on to avoid errors.

    However, if your goal is to get that Royal Flush, you can change your strategy to give up a little bit of long-term return in exchange for theoretically more frequent Royal Flushes. The following strategy will accomplish this (look up each type of play that exists in the hand, and go with the one closest to the top of the list):

    1. Royal Flush
    2. Straight Flush
    3. Four to a Royal Flush
    4. Four of a Kind
    5. Full House
    6. Flush
    7. Three of a Kind
    8. Straight
    9. Four to a Straight Flush
    10. Two Pair
    11. Three to a Royal Flush
    12. Pair of J,Q,K,A
    13. Four to a Flush
    14. Unsuited TJQK
    15. Pair of 2-10
    16. Unsuited 2345, 3456, 4567, 5678, 6789, 789T, 89TJ, 9TJQ
    17. Suited 9TJ, 9JQ
    18. Suited JQ
    19. Suited 8JQ, 9JK, 9QK
    20. Suited JK, QK
    21. Suited 89J, 8TJ, 9TQ
    22. Suited JA, QA, KA
    23. Suited 345, 456, 567, 678, 789, 89T
    24. Unsuited JQKA
    25. Unsuited 9JQK, TJQA, TJKA, TQKA
    26. Suited TJ
    27. Suited A23, A24, A25, A34, A35, A45, 78J, 79J, 7TJ, 89Q, 8TQ, 9TK
    28. Unsuited JQK
    29. Suited TQ
    30. Suited 234, 235, 245, 346, 356, 457, 467, 568, 578, 679, 689, 78T, 79T
    31. Suited TK, TA
    32. Unsuited JQ, JK, QK
    33. Unsuited JA, QA, KA
    34. Jack, Queen, King or Ace
    35. Suited 236, 246, 256, 347, 357, 367, 458, 468, 478, 569, 579, 589, 67T, 68T, 69T
    36. Discard everything

    T = Ten
    J = Jack
    Q = Queen
    K = King
    A = Ace

    To use the strategy you would need to disable autohold and play the hands manually. If you follow it perfectly, the long-term return of the game is reduced from 99.54% to 99.42%, but the frequency of Royal Flushes increases from once every 40,390 hands to once every 32,761 hands (about 19% more frequently). Keep in mind that this is still an average. It's not unusual to go several cycles without getting one. Good luck.
     
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  32. Jun 22, 2008
  33. oyw7862

    oyw7862 Quit Gambling

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    40K done, todaY IS not the day.
    Fed up. down 1270$ consider a perfect play - RF.

    Interesting thing on the right 40K I got this, break a flash and got a straight.

    THanks every one, this consider as a 40 hours live report for an addict
     
  34. Jun 24, 2008
  35. oyw7862

    oyw7862 Quit Gambling

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    In the middle of 70K hands:lolup:
     
  36. Jun 24, 2008
  37. Jufo

    Jufo Three-toed sloth

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    You could try no-house edge Jacks or Better. The game returns 100.00%, Royal pays higher (976x) and by modifying strategy you get it 10% more often (and still retain 100.00% payout).

    There is no autoplay though.
     
  38. Jun 25, 2008
  39. oyw7862

    oyw7862 Quit Gambling

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    betfair? Is it fair jack better game(9/6)?
     

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