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Question for BJ players

Discussion in 'Online Casinos' started by BJ anonymous, Jun 11, 2006.

    Jun 11, 2006
  1. BJ anonymous

    BJ anonymous Dormant account

    Occupation:
    Government
    Location:
    Paris
    Fellow online BJ players, I've a few questions and observations. Perhaps you can share you own.

    1) Do you take insurance? I noticed that the chances that the dealer gets a BJ is higher than B&M places.

    2) Do you double on all 11s? I don't normally do that when dealer has Ace and higher than 8s. BS seems to recommend doubling on all 11s.

    3) do you split 2 Fours against dealer's four?

    4) Do you draw soft eighteen against dealer's 10?

    5) draw on 12 against dealer's 2? Whenever I draw(or at least higher than 50% of the time), I seem to bust.

    My last 2 games I followed BS to the T and found that it did not pay off. Started with 2400 bankroll and ended up losing it all. Might've lasted longer if I played my more conservative style, i.e. modified BS.

    Would like your pointers, please.
     
  2. Jun 11, 2006
  3. GrandMaster

    GrandMaster Ueber Meister CAG

    Occupation:
    Mathematician by day, online gambler by night.
    Location:
    UK
    1. No. Can you provide detailed statistics please?

    2. Yes, except against an ace, unless dealer hits soft 17.

    3. No, except in a single deck game.

    4. Yes.

    5. Yes. Please provide statistics.
     
  4. Jun 11, 2006
  5. BJ anonymous

    BJ anonymous Dormant account

    Occupation:
    Government
    Location:
    Paris
    Sorry GrandMaster, I do not have the statistics.

    For the BJs, there was once the dealer drew 3 blackjacks in succession. That was just obscene. I'm not a novice and had been playing for years but in my short stint online, about 8 sessions, I've seen things that were pretty outragious. I know it's supposedly random but I cannot help but to feel otherwise. For example, out of the times that I raised my bet, at least 7 out of 10 times I lose.

    Also, the two really bad runs I had were after I made some money and withdrew. Again, I don't know how to prove it other than giving you my password and you look at my accounts and play.

    I've 2 more deposits going into neteller. If these bust out, I think it'll be the end of my foray into online gambling. I hope I stick to my word :D
     
  6. Jun 11, 2006
  7. betting88

    betting88 Dormant account

    Occupation:
    advertsing
    Location:
    canada
    1. no
    2. most, sometimes even double with T
    3. no
    4. half-half
     
  8. Jun 11, 2006
  9. uungy

    uungy Dormant account PABnononaccred PABnoaccred PABaccred

    What software are you playing with?
     
  10. Jun 11, 2006
  11. BJ anonymous

    BJ anonymous Dormant account

    Occupation:
    Government
    Location:
    Paris
    I've been playing on 32Red. It's playtech I think.
     
  12. Jun 11, 2006
  13. GrandMaster

    GrandMaster Ueber Meister CAG

    Occupation:
    Mathematician by day, online gambler by night.
    Location:
    UK
    Microgaming.
     
  14. Jun 11, 2006
  15. dickens1298

    dickens1298 Dormant account

    Location:
    LA, California
    When I play online, I generally tighten up my game quite a bit. I've found that online BJ - for whatever the reason - tends to be extremely streaky, and playing a modified BS seems to help me. It generally changes depending upon the bet, how things are currently progressing in the game so far, and other similar factors.

    Personally, I've been sticking to Crypto casinos. MG - including 32red - just seems to play a little differently, and my success there has been far less than that at the Cryptos.
     
  16. Jun 11, 2006
  17. BJ anonymous

    BJ anonymous Dormant account

    Occupation:
    Government
    Location:
    Paris
    Dickens,
    Can you recommend a casino that you play BJ with? Thanks.
     
  18. Jun 11, 2006
  19. CasinoForumu

    CasinoForumu Dormant account

    Occupation:
    Manager
    Location:
    Bursa
    1) No I never take insurance except if I click to yes by mistake.

    2) I dont double on 11s? If I have 11 ,it is enough good for me.I dont take risk.

    3) I dont split 2 Fours against dealer's four.

    4) I dont draw soft eighteen against dealer's 10.

    5)Of course I draw on 12 against dealer's 2 Because when I dont do,dealer wins 80% of time.
     
  20. Jun 11, 2006
  21. BJ anonymous

    BJ anonymous Dormant account

    Occupation:
    Government
    Location:
    Paris
    At B&M casinos I never take insurance, unless of course I'm distracted by the cocktail waitress. :p

    However, I cannot help but to say that it appears that online dealers get more BJs than normal (sorry, no stats here).

    Also, regarding drawing 12 against 2, it's damn cruel when the 10 card comes. Dang!
     
  22. Jun 11, 2006
  23. uungy

    uungy Dormant account PABnononaccred PABnoaccred PABaccred

    You have to remember the chances of the card being 10, is 4/13 which is just over a third! Its not so unlikely! (hope my maths are correct)
     
  24. Jun 11, 2006
  25. BJ anonymous

    BJ anonymous Dormant account

    Occupation:
    Government
    Location:
    Paris
    UUngy,
    Yeah, I realise that it's 4/13 chance that it's a 10 card. However, I was 'brought up' not to draw on 12 against 2 and whenever I decided to play according to BS, I find that I seem to hit a 10. It's like 16 against 10. I always draw 16 against 10 but the times when I don't, it ends up a 4 or 5 and as if adding insult to injury, dealer makes 21. :eek:
     
  26. Jun 11, 2006
  27. uungy

    uungy Dormant account PABnononaccred PABnoaccred PABaccred

    If you look at the difference in stats, it seems a very small difference, but the correct thing to do is hit. I have seen similar situatiions, that whenever I hit, I get a jack, but then some times when the casino is "rigged" in my favour too!
     
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  28. Jun 12, 2006
  29. mitch

    mitch Dormant account

    Occupation:
    Secret
    Location:
    UK
    This is a no brainer you must play BS. This gives you the best odds and this has been shown to be so mathematically beyond all doubt.

    The only possibe reason for not playing the strategy is if you believe the game is rigged in some way. However, if you believe the game is rigged what the hell are you doing playing in the first place.

    Casino owners must love players who deviate from BS, adds to their profits and explains why the casinos constantly win considerably more on BJ than their house edge.

    Mitch
     
    Last edited: Jun 12, 2006
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  30. Jun 12, 2006
  31. Vesuvio

    Vesuvio Dormant account

    Location:
    UK
    Agree with the rest of your post, but not the above. If you're playing with a bonus all you need to believe is that the game isn't rigged enough to negate the bonus. A huge difference.
     
  32. Jun 20, 2006
  33. antibes

    antibes Dormant account

    Occupation:
    Unemployed
    Location:
    Ireland
    I've just played blackjack at Ritz for their 50 monthly bonus/ 2000WR.

    I followed the WoOdds chart religiously.

    I was betting 2 a hand and made 1174 bets - 2674.

    I just kept going down and down and finished 163 down.

    My question is, does anybody strongly disagree with any one of the WoOdds strategy - like splitting 8's to me when the dealer has 10 seems a little strange.
     
  34. Jun 20, 2006
  35. arccos

    arccos Dormant account

    Occupation:
    IT Developer
    Location:
    Best Not Said These Days
    Heh... this ended up being almost the same as Mitch, but...

    I always, always play proper basic strategy, unless I click the wrong button. There's really no reason not to, unless you believe the casino is somehow manipulating the deck. And if I suspect the casino is manipulating the deck, I just play basic strategy to fufill my wagering requirements on any bonuses, and withdraw. I haven't seen any casinos since 2001 I believe manipulate, and I don't think I would correctly be able to adjust my strategy to capitalize on the manipulation if I did.

    While it may seem as if the casino is manipulating the deck to give you wild swings, don't forget you're playing around 12x more hands per hour online than you would live. At least that seems to be my estimation. That means per hour you'll get much bigger swings. Per hand it's the same, at least for me. I wrote down a per-hand B&M session (tedious), and compared it to a few hand histories, and it all pans out.

    The only thing I vary is my bet size, which I do used to do wildly. Since I tilt when I get a losing streak and try to chase my losses, I 've found a betting method that prevents me from doing so. I now bet one unit when I lose, and two units when I win, with little change from that. That makes me enjoy the winning streaks much more, and the losing doesn't hurt as much as allowing myself to chase. It helps me focus on the winning... guessing how long the streak will last, figuring out how much of the streak I've "banked" if I lose the next 2-unit bet, etc. Alot more fun, even when I lose.

    -Arccos
     
  36. Jun 20, 2006
  37. arccos

    arccos Dormant account

    Occupation:
    IT Developer
    Location:
    Best Not Said These Days
    He's explained the splitting of the 8's in a blackjack appendix, I think, but splitting makes sense to me. Most peoople seem to be worried about a 10 in the hole. The dealer only has a roughly 4/13s chance of having a 10. Including the A and 9, that's 6/13s, still less than half that have an 18 already beat. On top of that, if you split, every single card you can get will help you. Some will decrease your chances of busting, some will give you a 19, 18, or 17. Compare that to hitting the 16. 6/13s will give you a hand to stick on, all the others bust, giving you an automatic loss over half of the time. Split 8s is a pretty good deal to me, giving a fighting chance on two hands, for just one extra bet.
     
  38. Jun 21, 2006
  39. apwd

    apwd Dormant account

    Occupation:
    Gambler
    Location:
    East Coast
    The casinos must love you guys. In your minds, there's only one reason why Basic Strategy is called BS. I suggest you all start using your ESP instead. Then you'll at least be blaming the right person when your stacks go to zero.
     

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