question about BPU

[perky34b]

Hi there casinomeister my friend! Been awhile.

I have a quick question for you regarding Bingo Players Union.

Do you endorse them? They are claiming you do, but I have not seen anything on your site that says this.

In my opinion they are a garbage board, and I find it very hard to believe that you would endorse this. I have always found your site to be factual and informative.

BPU on the other hand is a regular slamfest. Anybody who posts something positive or factual about a site they are currently slamming gets degraded, called names, and even banned from their site. I have seen this many times.

It seems their main purpose is solely to trash sites, and they do not want their members to see any facts that might make their trashing seem ridiculous.

They tell you to beware of any site asking for proper identification as they are trying to scam you out of your money. I know you do not agree with this, as you say to send in the identification before you deposit. This is just one example of many.

Please please tell me you do not endorse them, so I can keep the faith.

Thanks a bunch and good to see you all!

Perky :notworthy

 

[NAVYMANS-MOM]

In most instances

I have found that the name calling basically gets started by some people who love a site toward passionate members who have been ripped off by sites and who are trying to warn others about what happened. The name calling usually starts with very carefully crafted wording which comes down to insulting the person who got ripped off by accusing them of cheating the site to begin with. When that type of situation starts, it escalates with the other person trying to defend themselves.

BPU assumes nothing and investigates all claims by members by asking for proof from members, such as emails, chat records, etc. and then asks for proof from the site itself that the claim by the members is wrong. If a site doesn't bother to respond, as is the case many times, then BPU doggedly tracks and continues to contact the site to get to the bottom of it before stating anything publicly that the member has a legitimate claim, even if that claim is nothing more than the site refusing to communicate with them to get a problem resolved.

BPU has also found in favor of sites that have communicated with BPU and proved that the claim was invalid and/or false or have worked with BPU and the member to get a problem resolved.

They only call a site 'rogue' when all communication between the site, BPU, and/or the member has failed and the site has ignored the problem completely. It stands to reason that if a site closes somebody's account with no warning, confiscated all monies those members had in their accounts, and refuses to communicate to even explain why the account was disabled to begin with, the site deserves the 'rogue' status and a warning to people across the net to steer clear because if it happens even just ONCE to somebody, it makes no difference if the rest of the site members haven't experienced problems with the site. It means if it can happen to ONE, it can happen to ALL at some point in time and by warning potential depositors to stay away from the site, the site either gets a rude wake-up call and changes the way things are handled at their site, or they are perfectly happy taking money from unsuspecting souls and going on their merry way to their bank.

There are some people that would argue with a rock about whether it should sit in the sun or in the shade. Human nature being what it is, people who love a site because they've been treated 'fairly' always suspect that the member who HASN'T been treated fairly and with respect must have cheated the site in some way. To be publicly accused of lying or cheating by a complete stranger doesn't go down well, however, there have been times, even as recently as last week at BPU, where a claim was proven to be false and BPU let everyone know publicly that the site hadn't done anything wrong. You can't ask for better than fairness for ALL, and that's what BPU goes out of their way, without pay, to bring about.

Banned members from BPU are a very uncommon occurance, but when it happens it is because those members were quick to condemn, accuse, and disrupt rather than contribute. It's a privately owned site and, just like online bingo sites, the rules are theirs to uphold. Fortunately, BPU doesn't change their rules on a whim like many bingo sites do. There is never a 'gotcha' with BPU.......except when they find during their investigation that you have lied to them about the 'facts' of your claim. Then BPU will expose you so be prepared for that.

 

[lojo]

May I suggest that if you had a legit question you would have emailed or PM'd the Host?
Otherwise it smells like troll doodoo

If you have a statement to make about BPU, then by all means state the facts

 

[perky34b]

my question was for casino meister, thanks and it was do you endorse bpu? They are claiming that you do and I find it extremely hard to believe.

And you can all see how they have proven my point, while they all rushed over here to call my opinion troll doodoo, and to put me down for asking the casino meister a legitimate question. I would like to know and I would think everyone would like to know what Casino Meister thinks of it.

Thanks

 

[lojo]

my question was for casino meister thanks and it was do you endorse bpu? They are claiming that you do and I find it hard to believe.

There is a forum for questions to him, there is also the Private message function. I'd suggest you use those options.

 

[The Dude]

my question was for casino meister, thanks and it was do you endorse bpu? They are claiming that you do and I find it extremely hard to believe.

And you can all see how they have proven my point, while they all rushed over here to call my opinion troll doodoo, and to put me down for asking the casino meister a legitimate question. I would like to know and I would think everyone would like to know what Casino Meister thinks of it.

Thanks

I don't "endorse" them. I really don't "endorse" any portals. I do have portal links at the bottom of my pages, but these are webmasters that I know personally and we exchange links. That's about it.

 

[dominique]

I am happy to say that, while I do not make a point of endorsing sites, Casinomeister is the only player message board I would happily endorse.

Casinomeister is run in a professional manner, does not allow flames and attacks on individuals, and has solved countless issues in a professional manner.

Good going Bryan, you are definitely the end all in problem resolution.

 

[winbig]

I am happy to say that, while I do not make a point of endorsing sites, Casinomeister is the only player message board I would happily endorse.

Casinomeister is run in a professional manner, does not allow flames and attacks on individuals, and has solved countless issues in a professional manner.

Good going Bryan, you are definitely the end all in problem resolution.

damn shills....

 

[dominique]

Busted!

 

[Sissy]

I would like to add, in BPU defense, that we struggle against many more odds as we don't have the power that CasinoMeister does. But we did manage to earn our GPWA Seal and are proud of it. A step in the right direction for sure.
Many don't agree with the way we do things, but fairness is utmost on our minds, whether it be the site or the player with an issue.

I believe I have conducted myself in an adult manner here at CasinoMeisters with the exception of one time when I lost my temper. I apologized and gave my word that it won't happen again. And it won't.

Opinions differ, tempers flare and things are said in a way they never should have been. Perky you know why you were banned. I do believe there is a place for this conversation and it most certainly isn't here. I have an email address and a pm box here, if you would like to discuss it. I would be most happy to speak with you anytime.

 

[dominique]

I don't know why people often act in a way online that they would never do in real life.

Maybe it's because the other people seem to be cartoon characters rather than real people with feelings and opinions.

Some threads develop into battle fields. Sometimes there are just simply attacks on people with no foundation except that a scape goat is needed to take the brunt of everyone's personal frustration.

I have no idea what happened with/to Perky, and I don't really care to know or get involved, I am not talking about any incident in specific, just about the nature of message boards.

Admin/moderators are there to look out for each individual poster and make sure that there are no negative repercussions for stating opinions. IMO message boards are there so people can learn new facts and discuss them. For a discussion you need opinions. If everyone agrees, it's not a discussion but an exercise in Yay-saying.

So I see disagreements as a positive that can bring new facts and ways of seeing things to light. A good message board admin is able to allow free expression while still protecting each poster from attacks.

I like Meister because that is the case here. And sometimes it's not an easy feat to say the least.

 

[BingoT]

Dom it's so true on how people have to act online.

This is all about the Internet don't ya know.
People that sit behind a keyboard that have Many things they can type about a person and they will give you :notworthy after that they stab ya in the back.But when you call them out to meet ya in person lol I don't want to say what I will call them because I may get banned from here lol.
The keyboard is allot of peoples friends.You can say anything you like and hide.and nothing to worry about you will never see them up front.
This is one of my pet peeves I have.I would love to meet many that talk trash about anyone.But they all bow down and make an excuse to not meet ya in person.
They will call ya every name in the book but do you think they would do this in front of your face NO
This is why we have to protect our kids also because you have many that sit behind a keyboard and think they are God or something better.
I don't care where you go online you will find White Trash,Black Trash,Trailer Trash,And plain old Trash online.
You will always find funny people online.



the bottom line is we should all try to get along with each other

 

[perky34b]

Thanks Sissy but no thanks, You couldn't drag me back to your forum. I was banned for speaking what I viewed as the truth, and I do not think I was alone in that view. I was called names, put down and degraded for speaking my opinion,(by you and your staff as well) along with some legal facts that you would like to deny.

And I am glad to see that casinomeister does not endorse you as you claim. I have always found his board to be fair, and value all opinions. Nobody here is called troll doodoo.

I have my own forum, and have visited and have friends at many gambling forums. And I have never ever seen treatment of people on them like I have seen at yours.

Casino Meister YOU ROCK!!!

 

[BingoT]

Hey Perky34b I do have to say one thing.
Sissy did ask you that you can PM,Email her to iron all this out.
And that's a start.

 

[dynamitewoman]

Peace is optional for some..mandatory for others.
BPU is an area for players and sites to vent, praise, opine and generally speak what is on your mind. If you are not prepared for a difference of opinion to expressed, then I suggest you carefully guard your ideas and opinions in the safe harbor of your own mind.
Lets face it, there are many, many gaming portals that have NO idea about a sites policy, ethics, history or player accomodations, yet they proudly display their banners for folks to click on, visit, and hopefully deposit. All this has one main objective... to promote an unknown entity ( in most instances) for the purpose of creating revenue.
When a member or guest of BPU posts about an issue they are having with a site, it is usually after they have tried to communicate with a site to resolve the problem. With their irritations, frustrations and anger tucked in their bingo bag, they post...and that is as allowable and welcome as anyones "opinions" that may be totally contrary. Perhaps if others have had an issue with the same site or network, they may feel compelled or warrranted in posting their experiences at that time. Much research and investigation is accomplished before any decisions or determinations are made regarding a claim, and ALL site owners or managers are invited to respond publicly or privately. This rarely happens.
It is absolutely super when a player has no problems that cant be managed with a little arbitration and discussion with the site itself, but when that proves to be ineffective, it is in very poor taste and without empathy for any player to negate a bad experience or mistreatment of another simply because they have personally not had the same experience.When a player says" you must be in the wrong because that has not happened to me",
I can not think of a more introspect, selfish and thoughtless statement that can be offered. This, unfortunately, leads to personality clashes and irrelevancy . If you are a true beleiver that "luck" plays a huge role in the entertainment called gambling, then you must be willing to beleive that some players have been bestowed with that same luck to not have been cheated or deceived by a site that has clearly misled and cheated others.
I am suggesting that we all try to be a little kinder and tolerant in the pursuit of this thing we call entertainment, because that is supposed to be fun...isnt it?

 

[dynamitewoman]

I must question this.

Perky34b said:
I was called names, put down and degraded for speaking my opinion,(by you and your staff as well) along with some legal facts that you would like to deny.


You were called names and degraded by the staff? Frankly perky34b, I dont remember you unless you were using a different alias. Lets get beyond the status of allegations and claims and make it real clear that I did call you a "name" and degrade you. If you find this to be a fact that you can verify with an actual documented post that I have degraded or called you a name that was offensive, I invite you to post it. I find that an accusation that "attacks" and provokes unecessary conflict and is also totally without any basis in fact or merit, but merely your perspective and opinion. It is just this kind of inciteful talk that leads to the situations that you seem to be so against!

Legal facts? I imagine you presented a documented legal precedent or cited the actual code of the law that supported your presentation of a "legal fact"? It would be folly to state legalities and government mandate without some form of proof to absolutely affirm your statements...wouldnt it?

Perky34b said:
nobody here is called troll doodoo.


I thought I read that here! Do you find that name offensive too? Is someone again degrading you? Insinuations, allusions and references that are ungrounded and presented as the truth lead to conflict, frustration, anger, confusion,disruption and hostility.
Please dont bring me into any of your tirades in a negative and unfounded manner, I find that offensive and very unjust.
Thank You

 

[perky34b]

yep I do find being called troll doodoo offensive, as well as in poor nasty taste. Which seems to be your style. Thanks for coming yet again to prove my point.

 

[bryand]

123

At the risk of derailing an otherwise nutritious thread , does anyone have info, good or bad, concerning 123Bingo? They are sending me emails. I'm thinking of taking the "Bingo Plunge" and want to use a SUB for the learning experience.

 

[perky34b]

By the way Dynamite, I do work for a land casino, (not as a street mime or deli owner as one of your mods, maybe even you stated, though these are probably fine professions as well) and am pretty aware of laws about gaming. It is also pretty obvious by your attitude and statements that you are not aware of any. I did email GPWA some links to your comments so they can see what kind of rubbish they are endorsing.


Hi Bryand, I have played at 123 and I liked it. I didn't win anything big or cashout there, but played a couple times and had a decent experience. Got a lot of play for my money. I like the parlay software alot.

 

[Sissy]

At the risk of derailing an otherwise nutritious thread , does anyone have info, good or bad, concerning 123Bingo? They are sending me emails. I'm thinking of taking the "Bingo Plunge" and want to use a SUB for the learning experience.

They have had some ups and downs in the past, but seem to running a good site. David, the manager, is always quick to work with BPU if we have issues that come to us concerning his site. I have done some monitoring of 123Bingo and they have some really good jackpots. All I know for fact is what I see and read, but on a trial run I guess 123 would be as good as any to try out.

They also have a cashback perk that I have never seen before at any site. If you spend all of your deposit and bonuses, you simply go to live help and ask for "cashback" and they will put back the amount you deposited in you account as a cash balance to play on.

I hear they are adding new games etc. As with any bingo site, read the rules and ask all of your questions BEFORE you deposit . Good luck should you decide to try it Byand!!

 

[Sassy1]

Sissy, have things changed regarding 123 Bingo since NavyMom posted this?

https://www.casinomeister.com/forums/threads/players-accounts-closed-for-risk-management.20718/

Sites that disabled chat or accounts when complaints are filed against them either at their own site or publicly in another forum type site such as BPU, cashouts are requested and stalled with one excuse after another by the site, multiple accounts that are inadvertently opened at a sister site, or if they are members of sites such as BPU and publicly post in them, even if the posts are not complaints against the bingo site or if they are merely registered at those sites without posting anything. Just mentioning their name or just registering using the same username you use at the bingo site is enough.

AlphaBingo - being a member at BPU
BingoZest - now in the UK and sister to Alpha - being a member of BPU or accused of multiple accounts
BingoFest - sister site to Alpha and BingoZest
BingoSky - being a member at BPU
123Bingo - sister site to BingoIsUs and BingoKnights - being a member at BPU and complaining

The two most recent reviews of 123 at whichbingo.com don't sound too great, and I personally had problems in the past with 123Bingo. Before whichbingo.com revamped, there were dozens of bad reviews of 123bingo:

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[Sissy]

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That was not my post, nor my information Sassy. Maybe if you direct that question to NavyMom, she can answer it for you.

The two most recent reviews of 123 at whichbingo.com don't sound too great, and I personally had problems in the past with 123Bingo. Before whichbingo.com revamped, there were dozens of bad reviews of 123bingo:

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I followed your link and those two posts, one in January and one in February 2008 and no, neither was favorable. I believe both were posted anonymously which is neither here nor there. I do not have a clue about what happened with you or your problems at 123Bingo. We work only with documentation ( emails, trouble tickets, account information I have seen for myself and screenshoot etc) from players and sites. Ones word isn't enough, there has to be proof of allegations.

I do know that I have a working relationship with David, the manager of 123Bingo. If we get player complaints he is accomodating in every way to provide us with as much information as we require to come to a final determination.

It hasn't always been this way, so I would have to answer your question "have things changed at 123bingo" with a definite yes they have.
Through discussions and handling things in a businesslike manner issues can be resolved and relationships established to further open communications between sites and players.

Thanks for asking Sassy. It is nice to be able to report something good about a bingo site who has begun to care about their players and are intent on doing what they can to make those players happy. Maybe the day will come when we can speak highly of all of them .

Have a great day!!

 

[Sassy1]

Sissy, the reason I addressed my question to you instead of to NavyMom is because you are the one who came here to say you thought they were now a good site. Also, from all I've seen at BPU, NavyMom appears to be an active and well-respected member, so I thought it strange that if she were treated poorly there (banned for being a member of BPU and complaining about the site), that you would be cautious of recommending a site that would treat a valued member that way. Also, if they are a sister site to BingoIsUs and BingoKnights, as she stated, that your concern would be even greater.

As far as my experience with the site, there were a lot of problems that led myself, and a lot of roomies, to leaving the site.

All of the chat hosts and staff were from India. Many of them were kind and intelligent individuals, but there were some communication issues. While their English was pretty good, many things were misinterpreted. Most of the chat hosts were young men who spent most of their time hosting, flirting with women who, unfortunately, acted like dogs in heat. The chat hosts shared emails with anyone who wanted them, and would send pictures of themselves to these women who would come back on and spend even more time flirting with the cute, young men instead of paying attention to the needs of the roomies.

They were constantly taking long breaks for teas, prayers and meals. They'd announce they were going on a break for 15 minutes and come back 45 minutes later, including those in 'live chat' and those in accounting working on trouble tickets. One may be running low on funds and wishing for chat games to earn bonus bucks, but were out of luck for those long breaks. Or, one may have just made a deposit and since the bonuses weren't automatic, have to wait until a trouble ticket got answered to credit your account, after the long breaks.

There were chat games involving side games (slot machines). Unsavvy bingo only players would be encouraged to play those little chat game tournaments in which they were offered 25 bbs if they spun the most features to pop up in the slots. Since you could play pennies, it seemed like a smart decision to participate. I can't tell you how many of those individuals went to cash out a day or two later and found out that because they played slots, their play through requirements weren't met because there were now attached a 15 times play through. When the bonuses they got for their deposits (usually 300 - 400%) were factored in, there was a slim chance they could meet the cash out requirements by playing longer. While it is true they should have read the 'terms,' many didn't, for one reason or another. It's one thing if someone chooses to play slots on their own and didn't read the rules, and it's another to be encouraged by chat hosts to venture out of their comfort zone (bingo), to earn bbs by trying the slots. I felt it was entrapment.

Then there were other oddities like roomies becoming discouraged because they had made many deposits and not won any games, to announce their displeasure. Many roomies figured out that if they had been on a losing streak, if they announced in chat that they just made their last deposit and if they don't win a game or two, they are gone, the very next bingo game or two, that person would win.

The jackpots were virtually impossible to win because the numbers of balls one needed to jackpot, were set so one couldn't win a jackpot. Have you ever seen anyone win a blackout in 50 numbers? During my time there, I saw one jackpot won. That person's win and picture were on the website for at least a year. I think that was because that was the only jackpot won in a year.

Also, for a period after Neteller shut down, the staff of 123 disappeared off the face of the earth. They left the site up and people somehow managed to deposit (so there must have been at least one person there processing payments through), but trouble tickets went unanswered and chat hosts were no longer online and 'live chat' was disabled. I never received a single email from the site saying they were shutting down or going out of business or experiencing difficulties. If they weren't going to 'work the site,' they should have taken it off-line so people couldn't still log on and deposit. I played at numerous sites that went out-of-business due to Neteller. Every single one emailed members to inform them. Not 123!

I understand your pleasure and excitement that a manager of the site addresses concerns at your board, but I don't think that is a reason to support or recommend a site. There have been a couple of managers from Virtual Casinos who have addressed concerns at numerous sites and appeared available to assist disgruntled players, but I highly doubt that anyone at any of the boards they have been active at, would recommend to any of their members that they continue to play there or deposit there. I think that situation is similar to this situation. I would instead like to see that you are letting people know that there are some lines of communication open, but to proceed with caution; if only for the reason that one of your most active and respected members has had problems there.

I know I have personally talked to staff at one site that BPU was critiquing and asked why they didn't come to BPU to address BPU's concerns personally. They felt like it was a 'no win situation' that nothing they would say would change the minds of your members and staff, and they weren't going to subject themselves to the 'attack mode' of the staff and members of BPU. So, just because one or two sites come to your site to address concerns, doesn't make other sites bad because they don't send representatives, and doesn't make the bad sites good because they send representatives.

 

[Sissy]

WOW! Where do I begin.

Many of your statements contained "were". This, to me, means that during your time playing there you are stating your observations of what was happening at the time. I am always open to change and I see it happening at several sites. I like to think that is in response to their players and trying to retain a good player base.

I have been monitoring 123Bingo very often, for different periods of time and at different times of day, as I do any site public issues are raised about. I do not take my job lightly. I have and still do make mistakes and would be sub human if I didn't.

Many have found out and attempted to spread the word that 123 and BingoKnights are owned by the same company but managed by two different individuals. I have never ascertained that 123 was connected to BingoIsUs. There were allegations but no proof brought forward.

As a matter of fact, there is proof that Terry Barnes, CEO of BingLotto was instrumental in setting up BingoIsUs who has disappeared from Cyber space.

As far as I can tell at the present time, all of the chat hosts are female and speak EXCELLENT English. I do not know where they are from or any specifics, I can only tell you what I have seen.

Then there were other oddities like roomies becoming discouraged because they had made many deposits and not won any games, to announce their displeasure. Many roomies figured out that if they had been on a losing streak, if they announced in chat that they just made their last deposit and if they don't win a game or two, they are gone, the very next bingo game or two, that person would win.

Honestly Sassy, I am not saying that this is isn't odd to me. I see it the same as you do. Bottom line is, whether I think it is "set up" or not doesn't seem to matter because I have no proof. I have been on that badwagon for a LONG time. May I ask you this.... have you ever been to a site where you have NOT seen this very thing? That doesn't make one right and one wrong and it most certainly doesn't make me "accept " it. You and I both know what happens, but proving it is another thing. But I am not tired of trying yet, are you?

I won't restrict advice to players to "proceed with caution" at just one site... that is my advice to them for ANY site. I don't "promote" any sites Sassy. I am not an affiliate. I try to help players with my observations and knowlege I have obtained through many many hours of research.

There are changes happening, at a snails pace, but happening in many online bingo sites. With utmost respect, things that "were" may not be how things "are" now . I am always open to see the good and the bad in any online bingo site. I do not believe one will EVER come up with rules I will approve of (for my own part only) or agree with, so I play rarely if at all any more.

As far as your talking to any site about their business with me, that is between you and them. I am not here representing anyone, although what I say does reflect on where I work. I am here as a common member just like you. Sites will respond or they won't. Their call, but I can tell you it is alot easier to believe that some good might happen at a site willing to communicate, than at one who won't. Just my opinion.

Regards...

 

[Sassy1]

Many of your statements contained "were". This, to me, means that during your time playing there you are stating your observations of what was happening at the time. I am always open to change and I see it happening at several sites. I like to think that is in response to their players and trying to retain a good player base.

I would have to answer your question "have things changed at 123bingo" with a definite yes they have. Through discussions and handling things in a businesslike manner issues can be resolved and relationships established to further open communications between sites and players.

It's unfortunate that there doesn't seem to be consistency at BPU regarding your statements I quoted in this post. IF, in fact, BPU were open to change and believed that through businesslike manners issues can be resolved and relationships be established to further open communication between sites and players, there wouldn't be the bad memories and battle wounds that myself and perky34b experienced when we attempted to show BPU that some of the sites up for discussion there (in an extremely negative and seemingly unswayable way) were sites that we had good experiences at that we felt were getting a bad rap that maybe wasn't deserved. Had the same open-mindedness being shown to 123 Bingo been given to the sites we were attempting to show the other side of, there might not be any bad feelings today, on anyones' part. My views of BPU are that if BPU declares a site bad, anyone who logs on to debate that issue becomes a BPU enemy. Whereas, I'm telling you of my bad experiences at a site and it's all roses and sunshine because they came to BPU to answer player issues and are now a BPU 'friend', so its not fair to badmouth them.

 

[Sissy]

I surrender! I do not come here as BPU. And for the record, I have no hard feelings toward anyone. It is not personal with me.

I just want to be effective concerning what is and will happen in the online bingo industry as I cannot perform miracles and change what was or has happened.

Things change. Opinions change. Players change. Sites change. I am open to change from anyone at any time.

And for the record also, I have deep scars the same as you but they have healed and I have let them go. Again I cannot change what HAS happened, only what will concerning my own actions.

We can make our own choices to either hold grudges, or get over it. I am over it. Have a great day

Had the same open-mindedness being shown to 123 Bingo been given to the sites we were attempting to show the other side of, there might not be any bad feelings today, on anyones' part.

Had these sites taken the time to respond to attemtped communications, privately or publicly, I can't speak for BPU as we are a group, but I can tell you that I would be the first up to the plate with an open mind. I WANT to work with them. But working WITH takes two parties. I communicated, they didn't.

This is the end of any discussions for me about BPU. I come here as a member, in good standing I hope. I come here as Sissy. I have thoughts and ideas and opinions that are mine alone and are not connected with anything but how I feel. I request that you see me as just that and allow me to be myself without my choice of job being involved. BPU business has a place and it is not here.
Thanks for understanding.

 

[Sassy1]

I surrender! I do not come here as BPU. And for the record, I have no hard feelings toward anyone. It is not personal with me

I request that you see me as just that and allow me to be myself without my choice of job being involved. BPU business has a place and it is not here.

Sissy, I respect and appreciate a lot of what you said in your last post, but on this one issue (that you don't come here as BPU), I beg to differ.

A member here asked if anyone knew anything about 123 Bingo. Some of us gave our opinions. Then you came on here and said the following:

They have had some ups and downs in the past, but seem to running a good site. David, the manager, is always quick to work with BPU if we have issues that come to us concerning his site. I have done some monitoring of 123Bingo and they have some really good jackpots. All I know for fact is what I see and read, but on a trial run I guess 123 would be as good as any to try out.

They also have a cashback perk that I have never seen before at any site. If you spend all of your deposit and bonuses, you simply go to live help and ask for "cashback" and they will put back the amount you deposited in you account as a cash balance to play on.

I hear they are adding new games etc. As with any bingo site, read the rules and ask all of your questions BEFORE you deposit . Good luck should you decide to try it Byand!!

To me, you were representing BPU with those comments. In fact, I was concerned that he might try the place out based on your recommendations because you are from BPU, a bingo watchdog site, and that he might not give the same weight to concerns NOT to play there, since I'm just a member here and not coming from a watchdog site.

Here's another example:

https://www.casinomeister.com/forums/threads/is-this-the-worst-customer-service-ever.19199/

We hope to make some contact with someone from there soon. We have been exchanging emails with another site who is showing some willingness to try to get this settled and have the operators of BingoIsUs pay the people they owe. Will keep updates posted when/if we do finally hear something

Who's 'we?'

So, I think if you don't want to be associated here with BPU, you need to stop mentioning BPU?

 

[dynamitewoman]

Quote from sassy:
It's unfortunate that there doesn't seem to be consistency at BPU regarding your statements I quoted in this post. IF, in fact, BPU were open to change and believed that through businesslike manners issues can be resolved and relationships be established to further open communication between sites and players, there wouldn't be the bad memories and battle wounds that myself and perky34b experienced when we attempted to show BPU that some of the sites up for discussion there (in an extremely negative and seemingly unswayable way) were sites that we had good experiences at that we felt were getting a bad rap that maybe wasn't deserved
*********************************************************Speaking for myself I think it great that some players can have enjoyable experiences at sites even though others can not share that point of view. it is a matter of personal discretion, choice and perceptions.
I can say however, that when there are a group of players that have documented discrepancies and issues surrounding a site, there is some credibility existing that something may be amiss. When research indicates that a site is not willing to communicate effectively with the depositing player or a third party entity with the objective of reaching a resolution, mediation and negotiations become moot and it would indeed be ill advised to recommend such a site, regardless of contrary claims.
Some of the most notoriously deviated and underhanded sites still have players that want to attest to their "fairness" and player friendly ambience, and to that I say....Good for you that you have not fallen under their axe and are enjoying your experience, but please do not attempt to negate the documented and proven trials that have befallen others who have regretfully trusted a sites marketing ploys and presentations.
What does it matter if a hundred people have no problems and one does that has been royally screwed? Should that person be dismissed or brushed off with a " too bad, but your in the minority so eat it and be gone? What I am saying that it is the individual that should be the concern and not the overall reputation of a site that ultimately determines a step into the truth. Every site has the option of communication devices and player friendly methods to acquire and keep depositing players, and sometimes that fails for one reason or another and there has to be recourse for the individual. "They have a wonderful reputation, they couldn't have cheated you" is just not enough. Research through observation,facts and documented evidence is more closely allied with the truth of any situation. Sites that get a "bad rap" that MAYBE wasnt deserved, is just as valueless and invalid as saying MAYBE they cheated a player.
Confronting a player(s) that has proven to have been cheated and fouled by a site, and you are armed with nothing more than mere heresay and personal experience is without merit and a bit tactless.
As it has been said, the proof is in the pudding and anyone that wishes to is welcome and invited to submit actual evidence that refutes a negative claim regarding any site that extends past the "opinion" level.
Opinions are welcome, but as expressions of personal discretion and assessment only and may have little or nothing to do with reality. Just because we beleive something does not make it true!

 

[Sassy1]

I can say however, that when there are a group of players that have documented discrepancies and issues surrounding a site, there is some credibility existing that something may be amiss.

Documented discrepancies? Are you talking about the two regular BPU members who were allowed to speculate as to who were house players at the site that I was defending, even down to naming names? Those same two regular' BPU members who continued to play at the site, beg players for gifts, and play the free games, while at the same time posting at BPU crucifying the site? One even created two usernames at BPU pretending to be two different people with bad experiences at the bingo site, and when some of the members from the bingo site came to BPU to say they werent house players and that they knew that the two usernames posting at BPU were the same person, nothing was done or said by BPU staff to chastise that person publicly, or confirm that fact, though later, when that same loyal BPU regular badmouthed you guys to your face, it came out that you all knew all along that the BPU regular had posted with those two different usernames.

When research indicates that a site is not willing to communicate effectively with the depositing player or a third party entity with the objective of reaching a resolution, mediation and negotiations become moot and it would indeed be ill advised to recommend such a site, regardless of contrary claims.

You hit on the key problem at BPU. Most of the staff there comes off as unbending and as brash as Reverend Al Sharpton. Al Sharpton isnt always wrong about issues, but his methods and delivery are the problem. It takes a really strong debater to be able to handle an interview with that man. Have you ever seen him being interviewed by Bill OReilly? OReilly will point out some faults in Sharptons theories, but rather than calmly sit back and say, you know Bill, you might have a point, the man is so bull-headed, out-spoken, and unswayable, hell fight to the death for his cause, even if he is wrong or looks like a fool. What site wants to come to BPU to defend their site and face three Al Sharptons?

Some of the most notoriously deviated and underhanded sites still have players that want to attest to their "fairness" and player friendly ambience, and to that I say....Good for you that you have not fallen under their axe and are enjoying your experience, but please do not attempt to negate the documented and proven trials that have befallen others who have regretfully trusted a sites marketing ploys and presentations.

What documented and proven trials? One or more of you logging on to watch? Players like your two loyal and regular members who posts lists of who they think are house players? The BPU owner coming on and declaring me a staff member at the site I defended because I wrote something very similar to what Sissy wrote here about 123 Bingo?

They have had some ups and downs in the past, but seem to running a good site. David, the manager, is always quick to work with BPU if we have issues that come to us concerning his site. I have done some monitoring of 123Bingo and they have some really good jackpots. All I know for fact is what I see and read, but on a trial run I guess 123 would be as good as any to try out .

They also have a cashback perk that I have never seen before at any site. If you spend all of your deposit and bonuses, you simply go to live help and ask for "cashback" and they will put back the amount you deposited in you account as a cash balance to play on.

I hear they are adding new games etc.

That post is so similar to the ones I wrote about my favorite bingo site and the headline and poll still exists at BPU saying I am management of the bingo site I defended and was there doing damage control. Good research, documentation and proven trials! Yup-yup!

As it has been said, the proof is in the pudding and anyone that wishes to is welcome and invited to submit actual evidence that refutes a negative claim regarding any site that extends past the "opinion" level.

Yup, yup, dash right over there yall and submit your evidence that refutes negative claims over there. Just be prepared to get attacked and beat up, and while you have to show actual evidence, the regulars are allowed to speculate and post their speculations, and their posts don't extend past the 'opinion' level, but yours better!

I would be thrilled if BPU, who has (or had) good intentions, were an effective bingo watchdog site. It's my opinion, if that were to occur, some changes in methods and tactics (mostly how people are treated), needs to take place. If that were to happen, I would be your cheerleader instead of a disgruntled and banned member. I'll bet others who had similar experiences as I had, like perky34b, would be cheerleaders also.

 

[dynamitewoman]

Quote:Sassy

Documented discrepancies? Are you talking about the two regular BPU members who were allowed to speculate as to who were house players at the site that I was defending, even down to naming names?
******************************************************
Are you asking a question or making a declaration about my meaning or intent?
As far as players being "allowed" to speculate about houseplayers..The remarks and speculations are merely that and nothing more. It is strongly suggested that personal contrivances and beefs do not get publicly posted to deter name calling and mud slinging tactics.That IS a suggestion from BPU and I agree with it, I did not mandate it, but I do subscribe to it as a member of BPU and the human race.
All people are most definitely allowed to post opinions, and unfortunately when they have come from a situation that has caused some stress and confusions, they are influenced by immediate passions. Just as those on the other side of the fence also become passionate about their thoughts.
I was not talking about any particular situation, as you infer, but rather to the genre of complaints that have been verified with the only proof available on the internet in these circumstances, to wit, screenshots, communications with site support, etc.

Sassy said:
though later, when that same loyal BPU regular badmouthed you guys to your face, it came out that you all knew all along that the BPU regular had posted with those two different usernames.

"It came out that you all knew? How did that occur? And How is it that you are in possession of my accumulated knowledge and information? You are making an assumption that I personally knew that..arent you? Because I can tell you here and now I did not know. It is difficult to separate the person from the place perhaps, but easier to draw conclusions that are in error.It
When you say things like "you said" referring to a group or body of people,it is erroneous unless that person has clearly stated they are speaking as a representative of that group or acting as a spokesperson.
Just because I volunteer at a site does not diminish my rights as a person to speak my mind or retain the right to be a singular entity.
When you post your thoughts are you speaking for yourself or at the behest of the site that you wish to defend? Are you going to gain anything by defending the site or are you just doing what you think is right as a loyal member? Allow me, and others the same privelige to act as a person with separate thoughts and ideas.

Sassy said:
What site wants to come to BPU to defend their site and face three Al Sharptons?
*****************
In the short time I have been associated with a watchdog group, I have seen several instances (at least) where sites have clearly attempted to defraud players, and if you wish to say that is my opinion, you may. But a site owner or operator knows what their agenda is, and if it is an honest, forthright one, they have no reason to be fearful or hide behind the kind of thinking that excuses their deceptions and trickery. If someone is truthful and has nothing to hide, confrontation should be welcomed as an avenue to promote a site as well as clear up any misunderstandings or confusions.The "big Bad Wolf" theory is effective only if you are a juicy hog.

If you wish to continue looking for reasons to bash, intimidate or speak of a site with distaste for your own personal reasons, I shall consider that venting
and take it NOT personally, but I will not participate in your cleansing exercise.

 

[dominique]

What's up with all the BPU arguments over here?

 

[Sassy1]

What's up with all the BPU arguments over here?

Out of frustration for those of us who got banned there because we don't agree with them and their tactics and say so. It's unwise to discuss them here, or anywhere though, as it just gives them free advertising (which IMHO, is their reason for posting here). I'll stop helping them advertise and not mention them again.

 

[jod5413]

Although many gamblers do not think much of bingo in general, there are a lot of bingo players out there that have been greatly helped along in their education of certain bingo sites and The BPU. I would say that you have done a great service to a lot of us, Sassy.

As is proven true over and over again, there are unscrupulous, self centered, egotistical, and greedy folks in the on line gaming world. And thankfully, some honest and upfront ones too.

Thanks from a bunch of us for allowing us to have our knowledge increased about our ventures into the bingo world!!

 

[NAVYMANS-MOM]

In reply to 123Bingo posting by me

associating them with BingoKnights and BingoIsUs....

This was a comment made quite a while ago when it appeared that 123Bingo was actually associated with those two sites. It was later shown (I can't locate the thread now where it was posted here or at BPU) that, in fact, 123Bingo not only wasn't associated with those two sites, but also that there were some major changes taking place at 123Bingo...to the good....regarding how the players were being treated.

As sites change in the players' favor, obviously opinions of those sites will also change. One of the largest sites that was notorious for treating players unfairly and finding every excuse under the sun to not pay cashouts was IPlayBingo.com with Maxi at the head. I've recently been to their site again to check things out and found some huge changes being announced and taking place this month. I posted that information at BPU and am now in a position of 'watch and see' if any of those changes actually take place and are proven to warrant a change in my own opinion of their site.

Right now, I'm not endorsing any site, other than BingoMania regarding fair play for players and cashout rules no matter what forum recommends which sites, but I am willing to keep track of the ones that are announcing changes in policy so that my opinions about them can also change to the point of hesitantly trusting them enough to deposit once in a while and test the waters for myself, including 123Bingo and possibly IPlayBingo (the portal I use for them is MajorBingo.com)

 

[Sassy1]

They have had some ups and downs in the past, but seem to running a good site. David, the manager, is always quick to work with BPU if we have issues that come to us concerning his site. I have done some monitoring of 123Bingo and they have some really good jackpots. All I know for fact is what I see and read, but on a trial run I guess 123 would be as good as any to try out.

They also have a cashback perk that I have never seen before at any site. If you spend all of your deposit and bonuses, you simply go to live help and ask for "cashback" and they will put back the amount you deposited in you account as a cash balance to play on.

I hear they are adding new games etc. As with any bingo site, read the rules and ask all of your questions BEFORE you deposit . Good luck should you decide to try it Byand!!

Sissy, I now understand why you were supportive of 123Bingo in this thread, as you were an employee (chat host) at 123Bingo when you posted that.

It would have been helpful (if not ethical) if you would have been up front regarding the fact that you were an employee at 123 when you recommended the site in this thread. Now that you are a disgruntled ex-employee, perhaps you could (should?) update this thread to warn people against playing there? Hopefully, no one that might have played there based on your recommendation, got hurt. Do other BPU staff members work at any of the other BPU recommended sites? I see you have announced you are now working at another site you hope to recommend to BPU members.

 

[DreamyGirl]

bingoknights/123bingo

I just wanted to reply to navy. 123bingo and bingoknights are very much connected to each other, I know this as a fact as I was once an employee of 123bingo

 

[Sassy1]

I just wanted to reply to navy. 123bingo and bingoknights are very much connected to each other, I know this as a fact as I was once an employee of 123bingo

I believe the posters here from BPU knew all along that BingoKnights was connected to 123Bingo. On May 30th and June 1st when Sissy, an administrator at BingoPlayersUnion (BPU) responded to bryand's inquiry about playing at 123Bingo, she was already employed as a chat host at 123. She said positive things about 123 and failed to mention she was an employee. Meanwhile, over at BPU, negative threads about 123 were buried (archived). Recently, when her paycheck was withheld, she quit working for the site and the archived, negative posts at BPU were brought back out and references to the connection between Bingoknights and 123Bingo were once again mentioned as fact. Sissy's glowing review here of 123 mentioned the fantastic perks and I replied that the huge bonuses they give make cashouts virtually impossible. Now, in her BPU campaign against 123, she is reporting some of the same things I cautioned people about here in this thread. When she was an employee there, she recommended the site be given a fair chance because they'd changed, and unfortunately, didn't mention her association with them as an employee. I give a different weight to recommendations to play somewhere if I know someone is promoting the site because they work there and their checks are dependent on having players. Now that she has gotten burned, she is now singing a different tune, and all of this happened within a short 2-1/2 month experience.

Sites like BPU claim to exist to help educate us on the good, the bad, and the ugly in online bingo. One would like to think that what is posted at sites like that are truthful. Now, not only do we have to be on guard about gambling sites, we now have to worry that those who claim to want to protect us, might actually be employees of the sites and give bad advice to us for the almighty buck!

 

[dominique]

Sissy's glowing review here of 123 mentioned the fantastic perks and I replied that the huge bonuses they give make cashouts virtually impossible.

This is the "business model" of Bingo Knights and 123 and also a bunch of RTG casinos. Keeps the rooms full, people depositing because it's "such a good deal" and payouts are far and between.

Luring vocal people in by sweet talking and making them feel special is also part of what they do, they are good at it and I tend not to blame people for falling for it. Generally the backlash for the rooms when such a victim realizes what is happening outweighs the positive repesentation that lasted for a while by miles.

 

[NAVYMANS-MOM]

To set the record straight

As poster from BPU, I resent being represented by Sassy1 as one who knew for quite a while that 123Bingo was affiliated in any way with BingoKnights. I recall that there was speculation well over a year ago as to whether 123 was associated to BingoKnights as well as BingoIsUs or if they were three separate sites that were all bad news.

I also recall that there is a thread, either here or at BPU, mentioning that 123 was NOT associated with either of the other two sites, but I can't seem locate that thread for some reason. Perhaps my search abilities are short on using the correct syntax.

If, in fact, 123 is now or at the very least WAS connected to BingoKnights since a former employee of 123 has said they were, is there any way to discover if 123 is STILL connected to BingoKnights? At least we know now that BingoIsUs (now defunct) is directly connected to BingLotto since the 'owner' of BingLotto actually set up the software used by BingoIsUs but has refused to give any information about the owners of BIU who left depositors blowing in the wind, taking their money with them.

The only comment I made regarding 123 after Sissy said changes were being made to that site that were supposed to be geared at customer satisfaction was that if that actually is happening then I would take a second, hesitant look at depositing there. I didn't deposit and, instead, sat back and waited, just like I'm doing with IPlayBingo to see if, in fact, those good changes were taking place. It's obvious that they aren't in the case of 123Bingo...it's still a wait and see situation for IPlayBingo.

It should make no difference here when I post to a thread if I am also a member at another forum....if I have information to give, I will give it as a member of CasinoMeister. If that information needs to be corrected by a member with more knowledge about that subject than I have, I gladly welcome the correction. I don't like being labeled as someone without good information, not based on that information, but based on what other forum I belong to. To do otherwise here, smacks of discounting anything I have to say just because you may not like the other forum I belong to.

Navymans-Mom

 

[dominique]

I am not sure why BPU has anything to do with postings about Bingo on Meister. BPU has it's own forum and it appears a whole lot of infighting. I come here to read about online bingo, casino and poker and am not the least bit interested in who is fighting with whom on what message board.

 

[NAVYMANS-MOM]

I totally agree with you

I belong to both sites in order to get and give information that I believe is accurate and of interest to all players. I also belong to some casino sites and appreciate the information posted here about which sites are better than others and which are considered to be rogue sites to avoid so I'm not just all about bingo sites.

The information I've been getting from these types of forums is invaluable and I hope that I also help, for the most part, with regard to information I have to add for the benefit of other online gamblers, especially ones from the USA like myself.

Navymans-Mom

 

[Sissy]

Sassy said:

I'll stop helping them advertise and not mention them again.

Mistake or did you change your mind?

Sassy you can belittle me, downgrade me, judge me or whatever else you like to throw in the mix. You may have been banned from BPU, but somehow found your way back in there with less than "upfront" methods as bingobingo, as your posts today clearly show... but you sit here and degrade me for doing what I did for players??

Maybe the reason I have not been back over here to post, as I, too, have a repect for CM and members, is because of a few like you, wait to pounce and judge. Carry on, you will not find me bringing myself down to your level. I will not give you the satisfaction. So judge away and ask all the questions you want. As far as I know you haven't asked for any help with withdrawal issues, but if ya ever do .. call me.. it is what I do and I will be glad to pitch in and do what I can, even for you.

If I am responsible for leading anyone into a situation they might have been cheated by suggesting 123, as far as I can see, and I have looked around, I am the ONLY one coming to the defense of those who were or are having trouble when I went to work there. Wanna take over? I am exhausted because it is never ending.

For CM members, when I recommended that 123 "might" be a site some would want to try, the fact that I was working there actually made me feel more at ease about doing just that . I knew the players there would have a better chance in case of problems WITH me there and finding a way to better help them than they would have been if I didn't get some proof.

Yep I didn't get paid for a month. Yep it pissed me off! Yep I quit! And yep I am now exposing what was pure suppostion BEFORE I went in to work there and had access to chat logs of players complaining, hosts and chat managers complaining of the way they are or are not paid and eventually had PROOF of what I could only be certain in my own mind about.

So, Sassy1 (or bingobingo) whichever you choose to be called... now that you have found a way to get this same conversation into BPU, why dont we (once again) take it there where it belongs?

You are so into the glory of tearing me a new a**hole in public that you insist on keeping up with this BPU thing on a forum who really isn't interested... that is MY opinion.

Hell! Join me... we can certainly help more players out if our time isn't wasted with this petty crap!

 

[dominique]

we can certainly help more players out if our time isn't wasted with this petty crap!

Amen!

 

[dominique]

Apparently my remark above stirred up some things.

To clarify: I don't know Sissy or Sassy or go to the BPU.

I was only expressing that all this infighting makes no sense and helps no one.

This is Casinomeister and not the BPU here. I neither know nor care about who is fighting with whom on other message boards. If I did, I would take it up there and not here.

Simmer down, people, be nice to each other and do what you set out to do - help Bingo players.

 

[dynamitewoman]

meeeeeeeeeeeee

I havent been here in a while and I see that there is a possibility of some generous soul passing out new a**holes they created themselvesusing a tearing out method.
I could use a new one..mine is old, tired, worn out.....and he wont get out of his recliner long enough for me to vacuum up the dead skin particles.

heheheh just joking!

 

[Sassy1]

I havent been here in a while and I see that there is a possibility of some generous soul passing out new a**holes they created themselvesusing a tearing out method.
I could use a new one..mine is old, tired, worn out.....and he wont get out of his recliner long enough for me to vacuum up the dead skin particles.

heheheh just joking!

Care to elaborate? None of what you wrote made any sense to me and I'm sure you wouldn't have posted at all if you didn't have a point you wanted understood?

 

[dynamitewoman]

A shift to relevancy often requires tolerance, levity, patience and determination to avoid self indulgent and inconsequential intrusions.
Sometimes temptation gets the best of me.

 

[dsllsd85]

FREE Welcome bonus $ 2400!!!"

I'd just like to chip in here and say, categorically and without doubt, "I'm a tosser".

Thanks

 

[Sassy1]

Thanks for sharing that very deep sentiment or quote, Dynamitewoman! It makes me think of a working paper I read recently called See No Evil: When We Overlook Other People's Unethical Behavior by Francesca Gino, Don A. Moore and Max H Bazerman

My favorite quote from the paper is:

"When does it become easier for us to overlook others' unethical behavior? When that behavior serves our own interests."

It's a really interesting study!

 

[Alexishot69]

tend

I'd just like to chip and say "I'm a tosser".

Thanks

Hve to agree with you there