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Proof (?) that stopping the reels doesn't change the outcome?

Discussion in 'Online Casinos' started by bruinsdude, Mar 27, 2015.

    Mar 27, 2015
  1. bruinsdude

    bruinsdude Senior Member MM

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    Since the old balance jumping act on a certain game-data-stream-server-company, I have noticed 1 thing

    1) I spin the reels
    2) The balance goes down
    3) The balance quickly (I think instantly is a better definition, but there are those who argue nanoseconds) either does not move, or JUMPS upwards to a higher balance
    4) If you let the reels spin, you eventually arrive at a winning combination that puts you to the balance that was just flashed to you at the beginning of the spin
    OR
    5) You stop the reels, and you get the exact same winning combination that puts you to the balance that was just flashed to you at the beginning of the spin.


    I must wonder no more.....stopping the reels...on a NetEnt game (Spinata Grande to be exact) does not, will not and can not change the outcome of the spin.

    Mystery solved, we can all sleep at night now!

    :thumbsup:
     
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  2. Mar 27, 2015
  3. Captain Chaos

    Captain Chaos Senior Member webby

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    Damn! There was me thinking these games were skill based and pressing stop at the right time gave you a jackpot spin.

    Back to the drawing board then... :p
     
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  4. Mar 27, 2015
  5. bruinsdude

    bruinsdude Senior Member MM

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    Proof (?) that stopping the reels doesn't change the outcome?: Evil Lord.jpg,Mar 27, 2015
     
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  6. Mar 27, 2015
  7. Casino2014man

    Casino2014man Non-Gambler

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    It often goes through my mind..

    I find often I get the feature more if I press start stop over and over but I hate playing that way
     
  8. Mar 28, 2015
  9. Gaz237

    Gaz237 Senior Member MM

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    Whatever you are smoking. Seriously, step away from the pipe.
     
  10. Mar 28, 2015
  11. ugaboga

    ugaboga Casino Addict

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    Australia
    I don't like it how netent games will adjust your balance (if you've won) prior to the first reel even landing.
     
  12. Mar 28, 2015
  13. bruinsdude

    bruinsdude Senior Member MM

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    Proof (?) that stopping the reels doesn't change the outcome?: Sarcasm.png,Mar 28, 2015
     
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  14. Mar 28, 2015
  15. slotplayer

    slotplayer Senior Member webmeister

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    When I played the MG's some years back, during play one night the balance would increase before the reels stopped.
     
  16. Mar 28, 2015
  17. Balthazar

    Balthazar The Governor

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    Casino softwares would be laughably vulnerable to hacking if wins/losses were determined locally (on your computer by the reels). People would quickly figure how to make an app that sends the right "winning" message to the server and your balance would go up.

    It's the server that decides if you win or lose and then it sends the result to your software to show it to you (it will show you by moving the reels). Once you have received the result and it starts spinning, stopping the reels or not won't change a damn thing.

    That's like opening an envelope to read a letter; the letter inside will remain the same regardless of how fast you are opening the envelope.
     
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  18. Mar 28, 2015
  19. Finn

    Finn Senior Member MM

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    The spin becomes stoppable only after software at your end has received the results from casino server. This is why the delay is always after starting the spin, the spin button might be grayed out for long time and you can't click it again to stop the spin for a while, because the software at your end is waiting the results from casino server. But after the spin has become stoppable and you choose to stop it, there is never any crazy delays unless the software at your end is crashing. Stopping the spin only affects how fast the results your computer already received are shown to you, so of course it wont affect the results.
     
  20. Mar 28, 2015
  21. paul7388

    paul7388 Meister Member MM

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    Its all in the mind. I myself can play on autoplay for ages with no feature and then just start hitting the start button and stopping reels. Many times I seem to get a feature doing it. But I would have got the feature anyway if I hadn't stopped reels.

    The balance showing when you hit spin is something that has been happening for years on different platforms.

    I used to hate tomb raider secret of sword as often when you hit start the balance showed what you would win before reels span. Took the fun out of it as if you hit 2 scatters you already knew if you had got free spins or not. There was several other MG slots that did the same. Not sure if it still does as its not a game I play anymore.
     
  22. Mar 28, 2015
  23. Reel Crazy

    Reel Crazy Dormant account

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    While it should not be considered like a skillshot - from certain fruit bandits (Alladins cave & Step-a-Fruit) for example (Lost? 80s games)

    I'm not sure it should be ignored completely, the random is for a certain bet @ a certain time, so zombie playing; clicking start stop like theres no tomorrow may work in your in your favour or it may NOT, probably best not to click start stop reel crazy, cause you'll probably just lose quicker & get RSI :D
     
  24. Mar 28, 2015
  25. Jono777

    Jono777 Meister Member CAG mm4 mm1

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    I have a friend who I see once in a blue moon who plays MG games.

    He once asked if he could have a quick 'punt' from my PC on a visit the once, to which I obliged no problem.

    Best thing I ever did, he plays IR in the main and I noticed once he'd got 2 scatters and the remaining reels were doing the elongated teaser spin, he grabbed the mouse, put his finger on the screen and was bashing the hell out my button as he tried to stop the 3rd scatter with the 'stop' button.

    Without a care in the world for my poor mouse I burst out laughing asking what the fcuk are you doing, he told me you can 'skill stop' the 3rd scatter. Too many times he shouted 'that was there, the reel symbols totally changed' (go figure huh!)

    Ain't gonna bore you with the rest but to be brief it lead to a great reason for my to take the pee at every opportunity :D :D
     
    Last edited: Mar 28, 2015
  26. Mar 29, 2015
  27. ugaboga

    ugaboga Casino Addict

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    Happens to me with a fair few Netent games but not with MG.

    Very, very annoying. Like you said, takes the fun out of it.
     
  28. Mar 29, 2015
  29. rshkrn

    rshkrn Senior Member

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    Asia
    Balance updates before stopping on MG as well for many games......

    may have been mentioned elsewhere but in IR the Spin becomes a grayed out Spin when Wild desire is given, it doesn't change to Stop, so you pretty much know the instant you click on spin :):)
     
  30. Mar 30, 2015
  31. quber

    quber Senior Member

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    Just to add that stopping the reels will not affect the spin that you are on but it can make a difference to your overall play, if you stop the reels you will probably start the next spin a bit earlier than you would therefore getting a different result from the RNG. Could be better, Could be worse.
     
  32. Mar 30, 2015
  33. Jono777

    Jono777 Meister Member CAG mm4 mm1

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    It's very rare I disagree with anything on here but I'm going to now lol (in the best possible friendly way of course)

    From what I was lead to believe, outcomes of spins are determined 'X' amount beforehand.

    Therefore whether its, normal spin, quick spin, start/stop etc etc, the outcome for that particular wager will always be the same as it was going to be.
     
  34. Mar 30, 2015
  35. bruinsdude

    bruinsdude Senior Member MM

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    Isn't that the point exactly of this post? I am a tad confused.... are you agreeing or disagreeing with the OP, handsome devil that he is?

    :)
     
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  36. Mar 30, 2015
  37. Jono777

    Jono777 Meister Member CAG mm4 mm1

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    lol, I was disagreeing with the post above my post before this one:what::what:

    I think I already posted in this thread, need to go and check what I originally put now....

    Yup! - My original post agrees with you OP, I was disagreeing with Quber's post :eek:
     
  38. Mar 30, 2015
  39. brianmon

    brianmon Meister Member webby mm4

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    Quber is actually right. The numbers aren't queued up or produced on demand. The RNG's produce numbers continuously, ten's of thousands a second, when you press spin you get whichever number has been produced at that particular moment in time.
    So if you have stopped the reels on one spin, the next time you press spin, you will most likely be doing so, slightly earlier than if you had let the previous spin run it's course. Even pressing spin a fraction of a second earlier or later will give a different spin, be it good or bad
     
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