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promochaser

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Opinions on working a new player promotions from the same device under a family members name and info. Sometimes you will get a notification that you signed in from an unrecognized device. So I guess they watch that. If I reset my laptop hard drive will it change my device ID. TOS never really addresses 2 players same household. I'm in Atlantic city, New Jersey and there are 3 I'd like to do where the math adds up with regards to high RTP machines, Wynn bets who just entered the market being the best at 10x through on a 1k deposit match, bonus only. Blood suckers, starmania, 97+ % 9,700 return on average.
 

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What are you trying to say here? Is this how you scam a casino's promotion offers?

Just a reminder - the forum rules:

1.12 - Postings that incite fraudulent player activity: These posts are not welcome and will probably be deleted. Members who encourage fraud will probably be kicked to the curb as well.
 

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I know this question is a bit controversial but if players changing these things to avoid detection of certain things does that indicate that things aren't 100% random and skewed towards letting new players win a lot more than someone who has been playing for a long time and already hooked ?
 

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I know this question is a bit controversial but if players changing these things to avoid detection of certain things does that indicate that things aren't 100% random and skewed towards letting new players win a lot more than someone who has been playing for a long time and already hooked ?
No - this guy is trying to figure out how to create gnome accounts.
 

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Must be 12 or really bad at math . lol 1k deposit 9700 take home ? cause slot is 97% rtp . He's not going to be a happy camper when he loses entire 1k waiting on his 970% return
 

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Must be 12 or really bad at math . lol 1k deposit 9700 take home ? cause slot is 97% rtp . He's not going to be a happy camper when he loses entire 1k waiting on his 970% return
I think what hes saying is wagering 10k on a 97% slot will cost $300 and then he can withdraw $1700 from his $1000 deposit + match bonus that has 10x wagering.
Still a poor plan that is likely to end up with him losing the $1000 deposit.
It would work if you were guaranteed a 97% return for all bets, but thats not how rtp works.
 

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No - this guy is trying to figure out how to create gnome accounts.
It's not gnome accounts, these are actual people and I've done it dozens of times on can't miss promotions, family members. I've always just used their device and then split the profit. Also, if you read the TOS of any online casino they never address multiple players from the same household. The problem is I want to do these Jersey ones before I head back to PA.
As a lifelong degent, it's kinda shocking and appalling to hear someone in a gamblers forum defend the house. You should be ashamed of yourself.
 

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I think what hes saying is wagering 10k on a 97% slot will cost $300 and then he can withdraw $1700 from his $1000 deposit + match bonus that has 10x wagering.
Still a poor plan that is likely to end up with him losing the $1000 deposit.
It would work if you were guaranteed a 97% return for all bets, but thats not how
 

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Of course there's variance to an expected RTP, but if you run it at a low number, say $1.25 a pull you will come in around the percentage. Trust me, I've done it dozens of times, I did Wynn bets, cashed out 1805, then my brother came down and we cashed out 1690. When the house let's you freeroll, always take it.
Now some would say run it wild on a progressive with a 93%RTP and maybe you'll hit a big jackpot, but when I work promotions I'm looking for sure profit.
Must be 12 or really bad at math . lol 1k deposit 9700 take home ? cause slot is 97% rtp . He's not going to be a happy camper when he loses entire 1k waiting on his 970% return
You don't understand the math, sorry. I do 15x too if it's bonus only, because the math favors you, the expected profit obviously just isn't gonna be as high.
Do you understand how RTP'S are figured out? 1,000s of spins.
 

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I'll give you guys an example and you do the math, 2 years ago draftkings had a blackjack promotion, play 25k on blackjack recieve $2,000 in global free credits, free credits that can be played on Jack's or better. I did it 4x under my and 3 family members names, I actually drove 60 miles to do it on my brother's computer. You do the math, what is my average profit gonna be on each one?
Here, I'll help you. Using 98% RTP on the blackjack(which is low) on average I'll return 24,500 for a loss of 500.
Using 99% RTP on video poker, game king I'll get back $1,980. $1,980-$500, net $1380, half for me half for them, I made $2500. Obviously none of them came in exactly on average, but they were all close.
The competition for market share is so crazy in the US right now you can find these kind of promotions.
In the TOS there is a provision on people taking advantage of promotions, but I'm ready for that fight if and whenever it comes. The casinos will be 100% wrong.
 

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It's not gnome accounts, these are actual people and I've done it dozens of times on can't miss promotions, family members. I've always just used their device and then split the profit. Also, if you read the TOS of any online casino they never address multiple players from the same household. The problem is I want to do these Jersey ones before I head back to PA.
As a lifelong degent, it's kinda shocking and appalling to hear someone in a gamblers forum defend the house. You should be ashamed of yourself.
Listen, newbie. I am not just "someone" in this gamblers forum. I own this place.

I have been in this business for over 24 years and I defend what is the right thing to do. "Advocate of Fair Play" - sound familiar? If it doesn't, then you need to take a look around this website.

If it seems appalling to you that I would defend the house against cheating - which you are doing - then what can I say? You are just going to be an unhappy camper here since 90% of the members here feel the same way. It's players like you who cause the rest of use to jump through hoops with KYC and SOW requests. You have chosen the wrong forum to tout fraud.

You are committing fraud when using other persons ID. No one should have to explain that. I'm glad you are in the States and plan to have a go at the licensed casinos there. Just like in the UK, if you defraud the casinos, the casinos can press criminal charges against you and the coppers just might come a calling.

Nearly every casino that I have encountered has rules against what you are doing - it's creating gnome accounts. You are pretending to be someone else and playing instead of them. It is still you - and it's called player fraud.
 

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The first definition of "gnoming" I could find -
Gnoming is getting a family member or friend to sign up to a bookmaker and offer them a cut of the profits.

Anyone ready for a game of bingo?
It's not gnome accounts, these are actual people and I've done it dozens of times on can't miss promotions, family members. I've always just used their device and then split the profit. Also, if you read the TOS of any online casino they never address multiple players from the same household. The problem is I want to do these Jersey ones before I head back to PA.
As a lifelong degent, it's kinda shocking and appalling to hear someone in a gamblers forum defend the house. You should be ashamed of yourself.

They're not defending the house, they're pointing out what you're doing is at a minimum breach of terms of service, and in many cases fraud. If you'd found a legitimate opportunity I'm sure the forum would be happy for you - but this certainly isn't it.
 

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my friend lost all the crypto, he report it to police looks like some guy work in crypto seller company RampNetwork and his friends hack him
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Ok ty I gotcha now , still I wouldn't want to bet the house on that paying out everytime. Truly grinding out a win. Plus with all the security casino may confiscate if u have same last names, same gameplay . Soo many things could go wrong .
 

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The first definition of "gnoming" I could find -


Anyone ready for a game of bingo?


They're not defending the house, they're pointing out what you're doing is at a minimum breach of terms of service, and in many cases fraud. If you'd found a legitimate opportunity I'm sure the forum would be happy for you - but this certainly isn't it.
They have no way of knowing you are telling the family member or friend to take advantage of a promotion. Then helping them play through the promotion. They could never prove that. In the TOS of every casino is a clause on abusing promotions, it's there, but unusable, they just have no legal ground to say we put out this promotion to lure you in but now that you have beat us on it we won't pay you because you abused the promotion. I've been doing it for years and have never had an account closed down. Which is all they could do, say thanks but no thanks we don't want you playing on our site. The abusing promotions clause it's the #1 laughable thing the house cries about. State reps would pass laws instantly to protect the consumer if the house ever really tried to stop abuse of promotions. And the house knows it, they are tightening up on promos and playthrough contributions. Draftkings just made a list of high RTP machines and now only count them as a 20% contribution towards playthrough. I peer all terms thoroughly, this promo added up until I saw this then it went down the drain, this is the first time I've seen draftkings do this.
Yea gnoming is just a term, totally unenforceable by the casinos unless they can obtain video of the individual actually playing the promotion for the other person.
Just in the last couple weeks I helped a buddy in New Jersey make 6 grand on New player promos, in casino and hedging risk free bets, all the money has been safely withdrawn and i recieved my cut. Cheers mate.
 

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They have no way of knowing you are telling the family member or friend to take advantage of a promotion. Then helping them play through the promotion. They could never prove that. In the TOS of every casino is a clause on abusing promotions, it's there, but unusable, they just have no legal ground to say we put out this promotion to lure you in but now that you have beat us on it we won't pay you because you abused the promotion. I've been doing it for years and have never had an account closed down. Which is all they could do, say thanks but no thanks we don't want you playing on our site. The abusing promotions clause it's the #1 laughable thing the house cries about. State reps would pass laws instantly to protect the consumer if the house ever really tried to stop abuse of promotions. And the house knows it, they are tightening up on promos and playthrough contributions. Draftkings just made a list of high RTP machines and now only count them as a 20% contribution towards playthrough. I peer all terms thoroughly, this promo added up until I saw this then it went down the drain, this is the first time I've seen draftkings do this.
Yea gnoming is just a term, totally unenforceable by the casinos unless they can obtain video of the individual actually playing the promotion for the other person.
Just in the last couple weeks I helped a buddy in New Jersey make 6 grand on New player promos, in casino and hedging risk free bets, all the money has been safely withdrawn and i recieved my cut. Cheers mate.
That isn't true, as they can pick up the play patterns, investigate further and find by various means the persons opening these accounts are known to each other or linked.
In the US online gaming is an infant market compared to the UK/Europe and as such it reminds me of the loopholes that used to occur here until the security infrastructure improved. For example promotions with EV+ maths/wagering, multi-accounting to exploit such. Now as you see, Draftkings closes the door. Legally. I think you'll find that when a business is giving something away they can pretty much do what they like with the terms as long as they are not legally defined as 'unfair'. Same as a chain store can lawfully limit 2-for-1 offers per customer.

If you are taking advantage of an immature market, which it is for now, you will eventually get spotted and I do wonder why you came on this forum boasting about it. Unless you are hoping to encourage others in the US on here to cooperate with you for a percentage of their gains? If you like gambling online, you may well find you won't be able to have personal accounts at these and other casinos in the future.
 

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Yea gnoming is just a term, totally unenforceable by the casinos unless they can obtain video of the individual actually playing the promotion for the other person.
Just in the last couple weeks I helped a buddy in New Jersey make 6 grand on New player promos, in casino and hedging risk free bets, all the money has been safely withdrawn and i recieved my cut. Cheers mate.
That's a load of horse hockey - I know how fraudsters are caught out because I have seen the other side of the fence. You have not a clue about player fraud and the tools or simple techniques that casino operaters use to detect fraud - so you don't know what you're talking about.

Come here and brag about defrauding casinos - well, knock yourself out. Come here and try to recruit players to do the same - you'll get the boot. Final warning.
 

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