Problems at Betroyal.com?

[jetset]

On this occasion I have to agree with Caruso - this sort of gangster style conduct is just not acceptable no matter how you look at it.

From various sources I gather that the proof of Virtual Casino's involvement with Royal Sports is pretty certain. For example, the former CEO of the book, has apparently revealed that the takeover deal was with VC's operator, and is also carrying the story on his site.

The fact that VC's operator has not taken advantage of SBR's offer to facilitate a public statement denying ownership is something to consider, too.

The full details over at the SBR site make very interesting and well documented reading i.m.o.

 

[Casinomeister]

Like I mentioned earlier in this thread - Virtual's General manager spoke with me over the phone explaining their side. Fine and frigging dandy - now I'm in a situation where nobody is making any statements to defend themselves. Betroyal is not making statements, Virtual won't say anything, SBR isn't saying anything - I'm the one standing here holding the ball.

So be it. Here's the deal: if no one wishes to explain exactly what happened, then I'll just take the information which is publicly at hand and go from there. Fair? Yeah, I think so. You can't expect me to sit on my hands waiting for "explanations". If you can't take care of your housecleaning, don't expect me to do it for you.

 

[schankwart]

My situation here is dramatizing.
Ohoh, I see some Cirrus clouds coming......

 

[schankwart]

I just did some research and found... THIS:

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Look in the right field and you will see what Casinos are run under the same affiliate-programm there!

I am not calling my case a dispute yet but will... If they keep failing to pay me soon. They have already sent me a first installment of $2000 a couple weeks ago but no more afterwards.

 

[Casinomeister]

I just did some research and found... THIS:

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Look in the right field and you will see what Casinos are run under the same affiliate-programm there!

I am not calling my case a dispute yet but will... If they keep failing to pay me soon. They have already sent me a first installment of $2000 a couple weeks ago but no more afterwards.

Please do not derail this thread - this has nothing to do with Gambling Wages nor Cirrus.

And no more Cirrus rants please. This message board is not your tool for coercion.

 

[schankwart]

Well Bryan, Bet Royal Casino ows me an amount of over US$10.000 and keeps delaying this payment after sending me a first installment of $2k a couple weeks ago. They are not the independent organisation that they pretend to be.
I mentioned Cirrus because I (as well as many others) strongly believe that they are the same as Virtual & Co once you look around a few corners. Pretty much anyone here is aware of my problem with them and I did not know that Bet Royal belonged to this group as well before playing there. I am not intending to discuss Cirrus here but Bet Royal, who have treated and paid me fine before and I just hope that they will do so this time again eventually.
Why is that "coercion"?

 

[m249a]

Just thought I would bump this up on top again, since it is monday and hopefuly the weekend allowed all involved parties to come up with a statement. The silence thus far is quite deafening.

 

[lanidar]

Just thought I would bump this up on top again, since it is monday and hopefuly the weekend allowed all involved parties to come up with a statement. The silence thus far is quite deafening.

The parties involved are probably just waiting for the dust to settle and then sweep it under the rug ... just as if it never happened.
I'm also am hoping that something will be brought out into the light...soon.

 

[Casinomeister]

I've been in contact with all parties and for the time being, they are working this situation out amongst themselves - making public comments on this for now may jeopardize their negotiations. When they feel it is appropriate to make any public statements, I'm sure that they will.

 

[schankwart]

After asking some influencial person for help a couple days ago there has been made progress with my withdrawal, and I am having my hopes up to see it all resolved soon.

 

[Casinomeister]

After asking some influencial person for help a couple days ago there has been made progress with my withdrawal as well and I am having my hopes up to see it all solved soon.

Jeesus! No offense - but you're a walking problem child. Someone should confiscate your computer and commit an act of defenestration with it. Have you ever NOT had a problem at ANY casino??

 

[mary]

Jeesus! No offense - but you're a walking problem child. Someone should confiscate your computer and commit an act of defenestration with it. Have you ever NOT had a problem at ANY casino??

Careful! You're talking about one of the men I love!

 

[Casinomeister]

Careful! You're talking about one of the men I love!

Oops

 

[schankwart]

Mary is kind. =)
Yes Bryan... A good number Casinos out there appreciate my play a lot as they know I am legit. I have tried to explain in a previous post why I *think* this problem has come up at all. However, right now all appears to be in order.

 

[lanidar]

I've been in contact with all parties and for the time being, they are working this situation out amongst themselves - making public comments on this for now may jeopardize their negotiations. When they feel it is appropriate to make any public statements, I'm sure that they will.

I notice Teddy Boy aka Virtual Ted is back but not saying anything regarding this situation.
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[lanidar]

Moving on...remember the fiasco a couple of weeks ago that concerned a confrontation between Betroyal's security boys and the guys from Sports Book Review? Well, it's pretty much died out since no one feels like talking about this publicly. And no one seems to care anyway. I've been in contact with all groups involved and it seems as though they are handling this unfortunate turn of events on their own.

My post on April 5th:

The parties involved are probably just waiting for the dust to settle and then sweep it under the rug ... just as if it never happened.
I'm also am hoping that something will be brought out into the light...soon.

I ,for one care, Bryan. And by my count there are at least a dozen others here that are waiting for a reply from a representative.

This WILL happen again. And, next time someone will be seriously hurt.
I feel that this should be dug into deeper and no one can do it better than you.

 

[Casinomeister]

Each and every party involved is a member of this message board - and they have all the room in the world to explain whatever they want to explain. I for one will not do their explaining for them - that's not my job - I refuse to act as their PR rep, customer service rep, whatever.

Perhaps they have better things to do than to lurk the boards

VTed was briefly in the hotseat until the general manager contacted me and gave me their side of the story which was posted. Currently VTed is not in Virtual�s offices so he hadn�t a clue on what was going on. The CEO of Betroyal also contacted me and said they were negotiating with SBR and they didn't want to jepordize this with a public statement. That was posted as well. I spoke with Bill Dozer over the phone when this thing first came to light, and he told me not much more than what was posted at his website.

My conclusion is that this was an act of overly motivated security guards. If Bill D., SBR, or Betroyal want to enlighten us if there was anything more to this matter - that's their prerogative. But for now....

 

[lanidar]

I for one will not do their explaining for them - that's not my job - I refuse to act as their PR rep, customer service rep, whatever.

I didn't expect you to do any explaining for them.
Since you have one of the most powerful sites I thought that you'd look into this deeper and try to help get to the bottom of this.

Perhaps they have better things to do than to lurk the boards

Virtual Ted is just about always lurking on the boards. Except when something tragic, like this goes on, then he gets muzzled by the hierarchy.

Currently VTed is not in Virtual’s offices so he hadn't a clue on what was going on.

I don't believe that for a second. He's getting paid big bucks ... not to be a dummy, I'm sure.

The CEO of Betroyal also contacted me and said they were negotiating with SBR and they didn't want to jeopardize this with a public statement.

Negotiating? They probably have the folks from SBR tied up in a back room somewhere.

My conclusion is that this was an act of overly motivated security guards.

Some one had to send these "overly motivated" to set SBR straight. They didn't do this on they're own. They were told what to do and how to do it.

If Bill D., SBR, or Betroyal want to enlighten us if there was anything more to this matter - that's their prerogative. But for now....

To repeat myself ... I believe this is a situation where as the longer time goes by the easier it will be for people to forget about it and just let it pass.
This is my opinion.

 

[m249a]

Well lets try to keep this up in the spotlight one more time

BUMP........maybe there is somebody somewhere out there willing to comment on this.

 

[Casinomeister]

Bumping won't do much good since the three parties are dealing with this on their own - and apparently no one at SBR feels strongly enough to pursue this. If there had been a serious wrongdoing, then SBR had a number of ways to deal with this - one of which is a legal approach. But as far as I can tell it's more or less over.

Each party has had an ample opportunity to deal with this however they felt necessary. It's in the public eye and in a public record since the information is archived here. I've done my job. The only thing I haven't done is fly out to CR and talk to the security guys myself, but then I would probably end up in some ditch in the jungle

And in defense of VTed not being in the offices - well his IP doesn't lie - he wasn't in the country during this period of time unless he has a transformer beam.

To repeat myself ... I believe this is a situation where as the longer time goes by the easier it will be for people to forget about it and just let it pass

This might give you some insight on what the majority of players feel is important. Compare this to what happened at Captain Cooks and the ICL fiasco

 

[caruso]

This might give you some insight on what the majority of players feel is important.

Sod 'em, then.

If Bet Royal are pointing guns at journalists, that says just a little bit about the level of integrity of the Bet Royal management, lol. I doubt the heavies acted on their own inititive. In fact, I doubt the Bet Royal heavies could spell "initiative", let alone use it.

If Virtual are owned by the same people, this says exactly the same for the level of integrity at Virtual. Ted's lack of comment, whatever his whereabouts when this thread was posted, answers that question: if they were unconnected, he would say so. Clearly, they're connected.

And Virtual are on the Casinomeister "probabtion" list for good conduct, past problems notwithstanding. These matters are therefore relevant. The fact that SBR have been backed off doesn't change that.