Prepaid card now refused

Balthazar

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I always use those prepaid VISA gift cards to gamble online and it always worked but they just decided to block every single online gambling site it seems.

Tried 32red, Lavida, Slotocash, Redbet and Skrill and not a single one went through even though I can see that the money is on the card on the website. I don't know how they managed to block every single gambling processor in about a week but they did it, even if Slotocash was in USD, Redbet in EUR and the rest in CAD.

What can I do besides buying groceries with this card now? Is there any solution?
 

miso

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I think you can still top up your Neteller account with them, if you have one. Some casinos dont accept some Ukash vouchers (some shops sell under 18 vouchers, not for gambling) but Neteller accepts them. 3 percent charge. Hope this helps.
 

Balthazar

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I think you can still top up your Neteller account with them, if you have one. Some casinos dont accept some Ukash vouchers (some shops sell under 18 vouchers, not for gambling) but Neteller accepts them. 3 percent charge. Hope this helps.

What do you mean "not for gambling"? Can I buy Ukash online? If so when I get the voucher I can use it at 32Red, no?

Edit: Forget the idea of Ukash, the website that sells CAD vouchers charges $12 in "activation fee" on top of the voucher's price. No thanks.

32Red: don't you have a credit card processor hidden somewhere that isn't flagged as "gambling" that I could use? :D
 

Balthazar

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If you are not stateside, I didn't think you guys had the problems we do. I am so disgusted with the whole damn thing!

Heck, I don't know what to do anymore!

We usually don't have any problem in Canada. My real credit card works just fine. It's just that these prepaid cards are "not for gambling online". No logical reason behind it.
 

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Let em spin...
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What do you mean "not for gambling"? Can I buy Ukash online? If so when I get the voucher I can use it at

Not sure where are you but here in Ontario you can buy them at esso, grocery stores and even canadapost. There also was an option to buy online from Ukash website via online banking with standard fees. Buy a bigger voucher and spit online to save on fees.
 

Osloking

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It could be that your gift card provider has decided to drop gambling related transactions, they identifying gambling operators by their SIC code of "7995". you have to then go to third party to use your money, like neteller.

good luck
 

skiny

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I'm wondering if the gift cards are blocked at gambling sites because they're normally not used by the purchaser. I don't think they even have to be registered to use. Whereas the prepaid cards are registered to the owner of the card.

Just a thought.
 

Nate

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Your best bet is to use Neteller - They will issue you a prepaid MasterCard in your name which works all over including ATM's. I draw my Cash when I want.

Neteller also allows you to generate Virtual Cards thus securing your physical card.

Nate
 

Balthazar

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I'm wondering if the gift cards are blocked at gambling sites because they're normally not used by the purchaser. I don't think they even have to be registered to use. Whereas the prepaid cards are registered to the owner of the card.

Just a thought.

It's not the casinos that block the cards, it's the bank that blocks the casinos. TBH it's written in fine prints on the back of the card "not for online gambling" but it used to work just fine (except at the state run online casino, where it was always blocked).

Only recently (this week) they managed to block all gambling sites including Skrill. I didn't know that it was easy to block them because they all use the same SIC code.

VISA is so dumb to do that, it's was a great healthier alternative for players since you have to pay cash upfront for the cards, so people don't actually have to gamble on credit (which is unhealthy and allowed by VISA).
 

skiny

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It's not the casinos that block the cards, it's the bank that blocks the casinos. TBH it's written in fine prints on the back of the card "not for online gambling" but it used to work just fine (except at the state run online casino, where it was always blocked).

Only recently (this week) they managed to block all gambling sites including Skrill. I didn't know that it was easy to block them because they all use the same SIC code.

VISA is so dumb to do that, it's was a great healthier alternative for players since you have to pay cash upfront for the cards, so people don't actually have to gamble on credit (which is unhealthy and allowed by VISA).

I still think it might have something to do with the fact that the purchaser of the card isn't really expected to be the user. These cards are handed out to minors for Christmas and birthday gifts. To get a prepaid card you need to provide identification and create an account. These cards require no ID or account holder.

It's not real difficult for a minor to create an online account at some casinos. It's more difficult for a minor to get a Visa card (except the gift card versions of course.)
 

Balthazar

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I still think it might have something to do with the fact that the purchaser of the card isn't really expected to be the user. These cards are handed out to minors for Christmas and birthday gifts. To get a prepaid card you need to provide identification and create an account. These cards require no ID or account holder.

It's not real difficult for a minor to create an online account at some casinos. It's more difficult for a minor to get a Visa card (except the gift card versions of course.)

Could be the reason even though it's not VISA's responsability to make sure that minors don't play in online casinos. It's not their responsability either to make sure that they don't use the cards to buy beer and cigarettes, it's no different.

Apparently ukash vouchers are available at Canada post, which is where I was buying the gift cards anyway. If they are available at my local post office then I'll use that in the future.
 

skiny

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Could be the reason even though it's not VISA's responsability to make sure that minors don't play in online casinos. It's not their responsability either to make sure that they don't use the cards to buy beer and cigarettes, it's no different.

Apparently ukash vouchers are available at Canada post, which is where I was buying the gift cards anyway. If they are available at my local post office then I'll use that in the future.

Why don't you get a prepaid visa at MoneyMart? You can load as much as you want, it's accepted at most casinos that I've played at and it has no credit available so the balance can never drop below zero. The only hassle is having to go out and load the card but you have to go out to be gift cards anyway.
 

miso

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Could be the reason even though it's not VISA's responsability to make sure that minors don't play in online casinos. It's not their responsability either to make sure that they don't use the cards to buy beer and cigarettes, it's no different.

Apparently ukash vouchers are available at Canada post, which is where I was buying the gift cards anyway. If they are available at my local post office then I'll use that in the future.

Youre right about the minors, thats why in irish and british shops they sell two versions, if you buy over eighteen ukash, they will ask for proof of age. Casinos will recognize what kind of voucher that is. Go to ukash website and use the store locator, works just fine here. and they have list of all casinos supporting ukash there as well.
 

Balthazar

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Youre right about the minors, thats why in irish and british shops they sell two versions, if you buy over eighteen ukash, they will ask for proof of age. Casinos will recognize what kind of voucher that is. Go to ukash website and use the store locator, works just fine here. and they have list of all casinos supporting ukash there as well.

So what you're saying is that some Ukash vouchers won't work with online casinos?
 

miso

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So what you're saying is that some Ukash vouchers won't work with online casinos?

Yes, exactly. But to be honest, there are so many outlets, that they dont even know they are selling Ukash half of the time. I only use Ukash or Paysafe, and often I have to work the terminal myself over the counter to get the voucher :)
 

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Jasminebed

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Ontario
The Vanilla Mastercards work for online gambling. I once purchased Visa gift cards, and I couldn't use them anywhere for gambling, couldn't even pay bills with them... basically no "cash" transactions. Couldn't use to fund Skrill either. BTW, Neteller is not available to Canadians. Good thing they work at the Beer Store.

I've never used UKash myself, but here in Canada we buy CAD UKash, and they are not accepted by merchants that use USD according to a friend that purchases them.

I've been using a prepaid from Moneymart for a long time now. Works great, and you can receive payments back to it too, a big plus.

Besides going to the store to load, you can use the pay a bill feature from your online banking and the funds are available in around 48 hours, or arrange a recurring direct deposit if you wish even.
 

Jasminebed

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as jazzie suggested, just switch to vanilla MC, or get a bank or prepaid MM

I actually applied for a prepaid Mastercard with my bank (BMO), and they charge $3 for each "cash advance" which includes gaming transactions and using it to pay bills, the things I do most frequently. Also, since it's a Mastercard, you can't receive payments back to it. So if you are going for a prepaid through your bank, check out the fees.
 
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