PowerBet is stealing $7090 from my friend

kyleb

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I'm sorry Kyle, but I do find alot of this odd. To start with, you were posting for your "friend", be that Rachel or DDDestroyer (Dave). Then, one or both of them had to create an account here at CM from your computer. Do they not have computers of their own? And if not, how did they sign up at the casino from different computers?

They have computers, obviously. I just didn't think that them coming to my house and signing up would be a problem.

Kyle is a small business owner, hackkevin is in phone sales and BBKPoker has no occupation. Then Kyle says he does know BBKPoker as they work together, but doesn't know the others. Then BBKPoker comes on and says they do know leenperkins as she also works with them. Well, where do you guys work? If Kyle is the business owner, don't you know who works for you?

I own a consulting business on the side, and work full-time at a general office setting. So, no, BBKPoker is not my employee - just a co-worker that I know. I didn't know who leenperkins was until earlier today; BBKPoker showed me who it was.

Then we find out that your posts in this forum are all from the same IP. So my guess is either you are all sharing a computer or computers from the same office, or you are all students using University computers.

All the posts aren't from the same IP; I guarantee it. For starters, I post at home as well as the office. Casinomeister merely indicated that we shared an IP at one time or another, or so I think - if he actually meant we were all on the same IP at the same time, he would be quite mistaken.

Regardless, I still have no idea who hackkevin is. It seems as though he posted IP information in his thread debunking his link to me. Maybe I'll do the same.
 

BBKPoker

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Hi Casinomeister,

I am very pleased to read your comment regarding the fact that all of these players share the same IP address on your system as well.

This strengthens our view that all these players represent a syndicate of promotion abusers who are playing online together - and the players themselves seem to admit it.

This is a clear violation of the casino terms and we have no regrets whatsoever about the actions we have taken to block this syndicate.

Sincerely
Oliver Curran
Power Bet Casino

It's not exactly a syndicate of players when someone (myself) thinks you have a good bonus, were reasonably fast about paying and emails it to a couple of coworkers who enjoy online poker and casinos who they think would want to take a look at it. That's a referral. I would assume you'd be happy to have those. At least, all the poker sites I play at take it that way and some even reward me for it. I spent the better part of a week apologizing to leenperkins who had a decent-sized win from what she told me, followed by having her account promptly locked.

As for regrets, I think the fact that you have a demonstrated history of not paying people both in this and other recent threads would be very regretful for you.

I turned up this:

https://www.casinomeister.com/static/meister_awards/bestworst2003.php

as the very first hit when I ran a google search "oliver curran" + casino. I guess you are only a runner up for obnoxious managers according to this very website, but you sure are working on being number one!
 

kyleb

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We should also make it a point to say that Oliver Curran is not his real name. It is indeed Warren Cloud.

I've seen plenty of links on the Internet that say Bryan had to remove his real name by threat of legal force; Bryan maintains it was due to "naughty words." We'll see if the mention of Oliver's real name stays.
 

Casinomeister

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We should also make it a point to say that Oliver Curran is not his real name. It is indeed Warren Cloud.

I've seen plenty of links on the Internet that say Bryan had to remove his real name by threat of legal force; Bryan maintains it was due to "naughty words." We'll see if the mention of Oliver's real name stays.
This is complete total bullshit. There were a couple of posters about a year ago that pushed their luck to see how far they could go with me. They continued to make slanderous remarks toward the operator (being abused as a child, etc.) and I told them to take a hike. The thread was moved to a non-public area as well because it has no purpose except to slander. It would have stayed in public view if only these members had shown some maturity and restraint.

It never ceases to amaze me how many members fail to actually read what I post. I have posted on a number of occasions that "Oliver Curran" is a fake name much like many of the manager names used at most online casinos. You actually believe there is a "Christine" at Cirrus, a "Ted" at Virtual - please wake up and smell the coffee. These are about as real as Ronald McDonald.

This section of the forum is set up to solve problems. If you want to rant and rave, slander people, and make libelous, defamatory remarks on a whim, you're posting at the wrong place.

"Oliver Curran, the manager of Crystal Palace and High Rollers Lounge, is about as tactful and diplomatic as a inebriated semi-retarded chimpanzee at the Queen's Golden Jubilee Ball."

I said that several years ago when there was different OC at the helm. They've been in and out of the rogue pit since then.
 

Casinomeister

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It's just interesting that there would be multiple Oliver Currans - why not get a new pseudonym?

I'm guessing this is just a business decision to maintain an image of stability. Let's say there is a high turnover in managers - or that managers are rotated in their positions - it would make sense to create a persona that remains the same yet having different people working under this pseudonym. Also in this industry, many people don't like using their real names - especially when companies operate in grey areas or specifically illegal realms (Sportsbooks that take US bets over the phone, etc.). Employees would be reluctant to be using their real names.
 

kyleb

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I understand about the necessity of pseudonyms; I worked at a poker site and many people chose to use them. However, keeping the same manager's name despite turnover is irresponsible, especially when they use turnover as an excuse to delay payments (like Shark seems to have been doing as of late).
 

dominique

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This does have a distinctively bad smell, with the same IPs. :eek2:

Everyone has Pseudonyms online. All the posters here do. Many have the same ones on every message board they frequent. I don't see anything wrong with that.
 

vinylweatherman

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Multiple Oliver Currans are against the T & C for my hard drive.

Quite, I found out about there having been multiple Oliver Currans some while ago, and all seemed to be using the same E-mail address. This was a clear case of multiple management abuse, and all Crystalisle casinos are currently prohibited from downloading onto my computer, and any computer that I may have in the future.

In this case, while a large number of players are sharing an IP address, this alone does not indicate fraud. ISP's often reallocate IP addresses, sometimes for each new internet session. It won't be too long before any given casino ends up with two or more players who either signed up, or played, from the same IP address as another. This current group would seem to be sharing a common point of connection to the internet, but this could be because they are playing at work on an office intranet with a common port to the outside internet. While casinos keep on pushing their players to refer their friends this is bound to happen. Referred friends, especially those who lack any real technical insight of the internet, will not consider the possible problems that may happen if they all take up the referral and sign up from, say, their place of work. The only safe place to sign up and play from is your OWN PC AT HOME, and it is safer to download the casino yourself rather than go through a referral that may create an undesirable common link. As internet casinos become more popular, this IP "accident" will happen more and more simply due to unrelated people happening to sign up from their workplaces not knowing that colleagues have already "used up" the one allowed slot from that particular office. As a natural consequence, it is none of any casino's damn online business to make "work phone" a COMPULSORY field, so they should not feel put out to find it contains a repeat of the "home phone".
 

winbig

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I understand about the necessity of pseudonyms; I worked at a poker site and many people chose to use them. However, keeping the same manager's name despite turnover is irresponsible, especially when they use turnover as an excuse to delay payments (like Shark seems to have been doing as of late).

But on the other hand, what happens when someone asks a new CSR if "Oliver Curran" is working today and they reply with "Who's that?"

:lolup:
 

winbig

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In this case, while a large number of players are sharing an IP address, this alone does not indicate fraud. ISP's often reallocate IP addresses, sometimes for each new internet session. It won't be too long before any given casino ends up with two or more players who either signed up, or played, from the same IP address as another. This current group would seem to be sharing a common point of connection to the internet, but this could be because they are playing at work on an office intranet with a common port to the outside internet. While casinos keep on pushing their players to refer their friends this is bound to happen. Referred friends, especially those who lack any real technical insight of the internet, will not consider the possible problems that may happen if they all take up the referral and sign up from, say, their place of work.

One example of this would be when I worked for an ISP down in Delaware. We would sell bandwidth to other offices in the building (via Ethernet), and they would obtain IP's from a DHCP server of ours. (they weren't static IP's.)

It would be very common for them to play with the same IP address that a different computer had in the recent past, even if they were in a different office altogether.

If they tried to cash out, would they be banned also? Probably. Would it be the correct thing to do? Of course not. They need to start judging if a player has multiple accounts by their network card's hardware address, NOT their IP address. Every single Network card has a unique hardware ID. The only problem with this is, those hardware ID's can be spoofed.

They would also need to add to their T&C telling the players to contact the casino if they wish to play with a different computer.

Only then can a casino be 100% sure that a player has multiple accounts.

Edit: Even if the user was using a modem or router, they can use some other piece of hardware to ID the computer in question.
 

vinylweatherman

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If this group of players are acting fraudulently, they are either really stupid, or fiendishly clever.

I doubt that serious fraudsters would make it so easy to get caught. Far more likely is that this is a group of friends who became aware of a juicy offer and played it at face value as one of them had no problems with getting paid. They DO admit to having common connections, but are they a fraud syndicate, or just a group of friends who referred one another as the casino encourages it's players to do.

As for fraud, have any of these players submitted false details, used a common source account number for what should be their OWN money (I don't mean same bank etc, I mean SAME ACCOUNT NUMBER AND NAME). Have they "cheated" (not sure how you cheat at random casino games, but this IS RTG:p ) ; have they broken any of the terms for the bonus they accepted, othe than spurious technical terms that the ordinary person could not be expected to have the necessary technical knowledge to decide whether or not they might be in breach, such as another employee several years before they got the job once registering an accountwhile the boss wasn't looking, and when the casino had another name, such as five rowboats or something similar:rolleyes:

Simple advice, download the casino at source, or a site that does not emphasize the bonus aspect too much, and refer only your ENEMIES at work/university, as you want to keep your friends sweet:D
 

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One example of this would be when I worked for an ISP down in Delaware. We would sell bandwidth to other offices in the building (via Ethernet), and they would obtain IP's from a DHCP server of ours. (they weren't static IP's.)

It would be very common for them to play with the same IP address that a different computer had in the recent past, even if they were in a different office altogether.

If they tried to cash out, would they be banned also? Probably. Would it be the correct thing to do? Of course not. They need to start judging if a player has multiple accounts by their network card's hardware address, NOT their IP address. Every single Network card has a unique hardware ID. The only problem with this is, those hardware ID's can be spoofed.

Winbig, you would then be found out as the syndicate leader. LOL


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