Powerbet freerolled me for $15,000 and is not paying winnings

This is what I said:
And that's the same IP that a number of other members are using - all have a problem with Powerbet, and most of these players signed up in the same time span. All (except you) claim to be in Washington state, and most of them have logged on with Washington state based IPs.
The other members have posted using propogate.net AND from WA state IPs. I never stated that hackkevin is in WA.

Right, I am from Washington. I do not dispute that! However, 'hackkevin' posted an IP that doesn't resolve to Washington state at all, and like you said, even if it did, that doesn't prove that he is from Washington.

What does the IP 66.221.255.212 point to? From what I can tell, it says Texas.
That's simply the main headquarters for this company.
 
Issue

If these are six different players, who have played with their own money, and on their own account as private citizens, where is the fraud?

The mess of ISP routeings, and so on do not make a case for fraud. Player fraud is if these six accounts are from any less than six separate human souls aged 21 or over. Surely there would be a way for casinos to determine that these six exist in their own right, and that they each played their own casino account. (such as speaking to each of them on the phone, hearing six different voices and them being able to answer random questions based on parts of their gaming sessions, as well as the usual document verification processes).

Is this really to do with fraud, or players being "too good" at playing online and winning with bonuses. Curran casinos should stop sending out these totally outrageous megabuck bonus offers and confine themselves to smaller bonuses, and more for regular depositors. Coupons CAN be enabled in RTG on an individual account basis, and so it would be perfectly possible to prevent the "wrong" player from helping themselves to the "wrong" coupon offer. Reputable RTG casinos seem to have no problems in configuring the lobby to accept only the coupons the casino intended the player to use, and this is evident when occasional mistakes lead to coupons being sent out to a player, but not enabled by CS in that player's account.

It still looks like a case of Oliver being outsmarted by good players who got the casino over a lure intended to milk the less able player who would never be able to withdraw till they busted out. (I have seen the "must withdraw at least the original balance or more after meeting WR" term on most of these. A "recreational" player will be highly unlikely to be able to meet this, especially if they were lured into making a big deposit).
 
Age requirement in California

The only legal full service casinos (ie ones that offer slots) in California are the Indian casinos. The legal age there to gamble is 18, unless alcohol is served, as stated here:

"Sec. 6.3. Prohibition Regarding Minors. Tribal gaming facilities
operated pursuant to this Gaming Compact shall be subject to the
same minimum-age restrictions for patrons that currently apply to the
California State Lottery. If alcoholic beverages are served in any
area of a Tribal gaming facility operated pursuant to this Gaming
Compact, prohibitions regarding age limits in that area shall be
governed by applicable law."

This can be found here:
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Since the minimum age to play in the lottery is 18, then it is the same age to play in the Indian casinos.

Cant confirm if there is a minimum age for the "non-banked" gaming clubs or horse racing (couldnt find it specifically), but I dont see why it would be different that for the Indian casinos.

But hey, who cares about what is in the lawbooks when you have Oliver Curran's "understanding." Surely if it isnt written explicitly into law, it must be at least what they meant!

Wait, I got it :thumbsup: Since there is alcohol liberally consumed and dispensed in this casino's business office, then technically the age is 21 after all :cheers: (Disclaimer: I have no idea if any alcohol is consumed in their business office. This is just humor)
 
More minimum age

Dear Mister Curran,

Apparently someone forgot to tell Barona casino, which only advertises on the radio all the time in California and is endorsed by Kenny Rogers, that the minimum gambling age in California is 21. For some reason they think its 18. Maybe you should speak to them. They obviously run a disreputable casino while yours is the epitome of integrity :lolup:


From their website:
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Children under the age of 18 are welcome to our resort. However, because the minimum gambling age is 18, we only allow children in the casino before 8:00pm to dine in our restaurant facilities (10:00pm for children of hotel guests). They must, however, be accompanied by an adult at all times, and cannot stay in the gambling areas

Also, see here about joining their comp program:
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"Member must be at least 18 years old. "
 
I'm finally getting to this guy's PAB. (submitted on the 7th).

The thing is, if the casino is worried about breaking any state laws, why are they accepting players from Washington state were online gambling is prohibited?

I'm checking on the legalities of CA gaming now.
 
Legal Stuff

From Attorney Emery Brett Ledger (who is based in California)

...you can attend a local horse track and gamble if you are 18 and also go to the bar and buy a drink (they will I.D. you and make certain you are 21 at the bar) but you need only be 18 to place the wager at the betting window. Practically speaking most Casino businesses have made 21 the minimum age so as to serve alcohol at the table or slot machines.

Lottery: California has a complete set of restrictions, typical of the state lotteries that have addressed youth gambling:

(a) No tickets or shares in Lottery Games shall be sold to persons under the age of 18 years. Any person who knowingly sells a ticket or share in a Lottery Game to a person under the age of 18 years is guilty of a misdemeanor. Any person under the age of 18 years who buys a ticket or share in a Lottery is guilty of a misdemeanor. In the case of Lottery tickets or shares sold by Lottery Game Retailers or their employees, these persons shall establish safeguards to assure that the sales are not made to persons under the age of 18 years.

California Government Code 8880.52: "No prize shall be paid to any person under the age of 18 years." Id. at 8880.32.

Parimutuel betting: The age limit of 18 for horse races was established by regulations of the Racing Control Board, not by the legislature in a statute.

Casinos: On March 7, 2000, voters approved Proposition 1A, amending the State Constitution, to allow federally recognized Indian tribes to have a monopoly on full casinos (banking card games, like blackjack, and all forms of slot machines). Gov. Gray Davis signed a model compact with a majority of the states100+ tribes, which allows 18 year-olds to gamble in Indian casinos. Patrons have to be over 21 only if alcohol is served at the gaming tables and slot machines. Tribes are free to place higher age limits on its patrons and employees, and can change the age limits whenever they wish. For example, the Cabazon Band of Mission Indians announced in September 1995 that it was raising the minimum age from 18 to 21 for its casino near Palm Springs and that it was firing all casino workers under 21; Harrahs will run the Rincon casino with a minimum gambling age of 21.

California law also allows cities and counties the local option of licensing gaming clubs, limited to nonbanked table games, without slot machines. There are more than 300 gaming clubs operating throughout the state; most age limits appear to be 21. The only state limit is a restriction requiring operators and owners to be at least 18 (California Business & Professions Code 19809).

Bingo: Minors (currently those under age 18) are not allowed to participate in bingo games. California Penal Code 326.5.

Question to Oliver Curran - were you serving drinks at Powerbet? :D

Looks like you owe someone $15,000.
 
Age 18 casinos in California

According to this website, the following casinos allow age 18 players:
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I checked each casinos website to confirm (see below). Viejas is the most explicit of them all.

Barona (see previous post)

Chumash
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"Must be 18 years of age or older." in lower left hand corner under the gaming column

Sycuan
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"Must be 18 years of age or older to be in casino, restaurants, and theatre."

Viejas
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"How old do you need to be to gamble at Viejas?
You must be 18 with Valid identification."

The point of all of this is that clearly, you do NOT need to be 21 to gamble in California by state law.
 
Thank you Bryan for your research. Please unlock my account Oliver so I can log-in and register my Click2Pay account so you can pay me there, since NETeller no longer takes US cashouts.
 
I guess they will make an another lame excuse not to pay. To OP: stay patient and keep asking for your WD, I hope you will get your money in the end.
 
and then....oliver disappared

I'm glad we know the legal age is 18 in California and your due your $15,000 I hope you get it but oliver seems to have disappared. let us know what happens. Oliver and company is also holding my boyfriends $14,000 He joined because I referred him. He lives in a different town, has his own neteller account, bank account, home address but because he played on my computer there not giving him his winnings...meanwhile I played and lost alot of money and so did he but the won't return are losses and won't pay out winnings. I've played a few years at crystal palace and american grand and gave them a lot of money. I can't believe I wasn't aware of what has been going on with these casinos. They shouldn't be able to get away with this. I PM oliver but he does not respond. Atleast you got a response....
 
Yes he did but they said it had cleared...they're saying he breeched the T&C saying that he has more than one account. Which he does not. I've been playing with them for years and my boyfriend decided to play with them from my referral because I told him of the great bonuses.. He first won at American Grand $4,000, he invest $100.00, they told him he hasn't complete the bonus so he continued to play. He contacted them again when he asked for the new withdrawal of $3,000 they said yes you've completed the necessary requirements to get his withdrawal. He waited over the holidays in December to get that withdrawal but they kept saying that it's just taking longer than usual to get this withdrawal processed because of the holidays. Meanwhile, he opened up an account with crystal palace he invested about $1260.00 and ended up winning $10,815.75 he then opened up an account with Golden Nile which he lost about $500.00. He then got the response from American Grand saying that he was not going to get any withdrawals because he has multiple accounts. So not only did they screw him with the winnings but took all his deposits. They probably were waiting for him to lose at Crystal Palace and when he ended up winning they didn't want to pay anything so they found anyway they could to not pay. In there T&C it does not say anything about IP addresses it say household address. He lives in a different town, has his own neteller account, bank account ect... this was his winnings. This is not fair. sorry if I have gone on to much information but when I get talking about it I get so upset especially where I was the one to have referred him. I feel horrible...He says to me I know online gambling was a scam...
 
Oliver

This is one group that proves the point Frist & Co were trying to make. Pity that RTG were happy for their software to be involved. Now, if any argument is put forward supporting online gambling, Crystal Palace group make a compelling case for it all to be a big scam that lawmakers have to act against because the industry has allowed this to carry on unhindered for years.
While regulation would have achieved the same result, the US went for a ban, which Crystal Palace will completely ignore, and they will even benefit as being one of the very few places happy to take US player's money (literally!).
Woe betide any of the "Oliver Currans" who set foot in the US though.
 
To bad there isn't a way that when someone signs up to Crystal Palace or any of Oliver's casinos there isn't a warning that has all of our stories... When I signed up from there CD they sent me I had know idea all this was happening. I thought it was legit...I was in my own world no one could have told me they would not pay if you win. This has ruined video poker for me everwhere... I'm afraid I will never trust an online casino again.
 
this is a microcosm of america's war on iraq. legal gambling age = wmd's, and then when that's refuted it becomes a case of multiple accounts and identical ip's = regime change. oliver curran = the george dubya of online gambling.

fool me once, shame on you, fool me twice....fool me.......you can't get fooled again...
 

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