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(Possible stupid question alert!) Would I be right in saying...
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My understanding is this:
Think of a bag of golf balls - each equal to a prize. There are millions of golf balls and there are thousands of players each picking a ball. Each person has the same odds of picking the golf ball with the highest award. The more players there are, the more likely the golf ball with the highest prize will be picked.
The less players there are, the more likely that the prize may not be won. Although the chance does exist irrelevant of the amount of players, the more players, the higher the probability someone might pick the winning ball... eventually...
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Think of a bag of golf balls - each equal to a prize. There are millions of golf balls and there are thousands of players each picking a ball. Each person has the same odds of picking the golf ball with the highest award. The more players there are, the more likely the golf ball with the highest prize will be picked.
The less players there are, the more likely that the prize may not be won. Although the chance does exist irrelevant of the amount of players, the more players, the higher the probability someone might pick the winning ball... eventually...
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Lol - that's why i said as far as i understand it... Hopefully a more knowledgeable member can chime in if i got it incorrect?
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Sorry to say this, but I don't think Nate is explaining this very well.
I think what he is trying to say is that if you have 1000 people all playing a slot at the same time the big wins (or jackpots) will hit 10x more frequently then if there were only 100 people playing. But obviously each INDIVIDUAL person still has the same chance of getting these wins as they would if playing in isolation.
MG slots are random and the wins are random; you could hit a "big one" on any spin at any time, and equally you could have a run of 100 shite spins at any time too. It's all just luck.
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As I understand it once you click 'spin' it all goes off to the MG server. And the MG server has no idea which casino you are from when it is generating the result, or even what coin size you are playing at (though I am sure some would disagree!). Then that result will get sent back to the casino you are playing at. So everyone is feeding into the same place.
Even if all the casinos were stand alone it would make no difference if the RNG process was the same. It's the fact the machines are random which is the thing.
With AWP's it does make a difference where you play. These machines are NOT random and they will only payout under a certain set of circumstances. If you have lost money into one at say Ladbrokes it will store and remember how much you have put into it. You are definitely better off sticking to one AWP in one casino than playing a bit at each in a lot of different casinos.
I only ever played Treasure Ireland so can only speak for that machine but it definitely did remember how much you had put in. So I don't know if they all work this way. VWM's your man for that info! You need to be careful with AWP's though since they are not random machines.
Even if all the casinos were stand alone it would make no difference if the RNG process was the same. It's the fact the machines are random which is the thing.
With AWP's it does make a difference where you play. These machines are NOT random and they will only payout under a certain set of circumstances. If you have lost money into one at say Ladbrokes it will store and remember how much you have put into it. You are definitely better off sticking to one AWP in one casino than playing a bit at each in a lot of different casinos.
I only ever played Treasure Ireland so can only speak for that machine but it definitely did remember how much you had put in. So I don't know if they all work this way. VWM's your man for that info! You need to be careful with AWP's though since they are not random machines.
The main thing to remember is that each spin on a machine is independant of any other spin, it has no memory of previous spins and no knowledge of future spins.
Think of it as standing in a room with 100 other people, you all toss a coin ten times, no matter what the other peoples results are they have no affect on your results, and no matter what your first nine results were it has no affect on your tenth throw.
The only place I can see a lot of players making a difference is with random jackpots as they will build to the payout mark quicker, although with more players there your chances of winning will diminish.
Think of it as standing in a room with 100 other people, you all toss a coin ten times, no matter what the other peoples results are they have no affect on your results, and no matter what your first nine results were it has no affect on your tenth throw.
The only place I can see a lot of players making a difference is with random jackpots as they will build to the payout mark quicker, although with more players there your chances of winning will diminish.
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The random number generator in a slot machine is just what the name indicates; it is a software program that generates numbers at random, from the list of numbers entered to represent each reel stop. The RNG generates more than a hundred sets of numbers every second, and it generates them continuously, even when the slot machine is idle. This is why each result is independent of every other result on a slot machine. The random generation of numbers is continuous, and no one sitting at a machine can predict which of the numbers the RNG will have generated at the instant you push the spin button.
When you push the spin button, the computer takes a snapshot of the numbers generated that instant by the RNG, and translates it into a reel result. An instant before you push the button, the RNG is generating an entirely different set of numbers; an instant later, yet another set. No one playing at a slot machine can predict the number it will choose next.
With today’s technology slot machines could have 60 stops, hundreds of stops, or as many as the programmer wishes, while staying within the odds limits set by the regulators wherever the software is coming from.
This is where it gets tricky playing online. No one actually knows what if any regulated odds limits could be online, other then what we’re being told through the grapevine.
The way I see it in a regulated market, regardless how many people are hammering away at any given slot machine at any given time makes no difference to anyone’s personal results.
The bottom line is the more people playing will just result to one confirmed fact…The more profits the casino makes
When you push the spin button, the computer takes a snapshot of the numbers generated that instant by the RNG, and translates it into a reel result. An instant before you push the button, the RNG is generating an entirely different set of numbers; an instant later, yet another set. No one playing at a slot machine can predict the number it will choose next.
With today’s technology slot machines could have 60 stops, hundreds of stops, or as many as the programmer wishes, while staying within the odds limits set by the regulators wherever the software is coming from.
This is where it gets tricky playing online. No one actually knows what if any regulated odds limits could be online, other then what we’re being told through the grapevine.
The way I see it in a regulated market, regardless how many people are hammering away at any given slot machine at any given time makes no difference to anyone’s personal results.
The bottom line is the more people playing will just result to one confirmed fact…The more profits the casino makes
I thought the RTP was set by the game makers themselves and isn't (or couldn't be) adjusted by individual casinos?
I could be wrong or misinformed (and I often am), but I'm sure a regular along the lines of Nifty, rainmaker, VWM, KK etc mentioned it.
I'm sure someone will confirm either way
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I thought the RTP was set by the game makers themselves and isn't (or couldn't be) adjusted by individual casinos?
I could be wrong or misinformed (and I often am), but I'm sure a regular along the lines of Nifty, rainmaker, VWM, KK etc mentioned it.
I'm sure someone will confirm either way
That's the problem with online gaming. Like I said in above post, nobody really knows the actual gaming regulations if any, that any online casino must abide by.
Of course RTP's should be set competitively, but what is the lowest they actually can legally be set at with online casinos? That's the million dollar question. Las Vegas, and Atlantic City's lowest allowed settings on slots are 84%.
Online your going to have to trust your personal action and the good ole he said, she said, he said dribble.
So the casinos can indeed individually alter the games' payout?
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No one knows for confirmed fact. Through the years we've heard several different versions of how RTP's get adjusted.
Without knowing any regulations are being enforced by regulators how could one know for sure?
You can't even read about any game regulations that are suppose to be in place. I sent several online casino licensing bodies e-mails and snail mails about a year ago requesting this information, and didn't get a single response that they even received my mail.
In addition even if you were able to read about online gaming regulations, without enforcement in place and taking known action, the regulations would be similarly worth the value of the American dollar.
Just knowing for fact that known rogue online casino operators have been up and still running for over a decade, should give you an idea of how much regulation enforcement is actually be done. Just have a look at the rogue list here. We all know who they are, how come regulators don't?
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I agree with everything 4-of-a-kind said on this matter - so no need to repeat it.I thought the RTP was set by the game makers themselves and isn't (or couldn't be) adjusted by individual casinos?
I could be wrong or misinformed (and I often am), but I'm sure a regular along the lines of Nifty, rainmaker, VWM, KK etc mentioned it.
I'm sure someone will confirm either way
All we do know for certain is that most RTG slots could be set to either 91%, 94%, 95% or 97.5%.
This info (listed on SlotBeaters.com) was taken from their published marketing materials which used to be online, but was all taken down about a year or two ago.
What we don't know for certain is by whom, and under what circumstances, the adjustments can be made.
A Meister member or two (Zoozie for sure, but I can't remember the other one) worked out the RTP on a few Microgaming slots too, by painstakingly plotting the reel layouts & calculating the figures. From that we know that Thunderstruck is on 95.05%.
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Anyone ever plot BDBA as far as you know KK?
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Are the "reels themselves" really random on MG slots ? I always thought they were the same as some of Barcrests etc, the outcome from the RNG is a win amount or no win and the reels are just used to display the win
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Not as far as I know.
I do have a few others which I never got round to publishing - but not that one.
Why don't you do it? It would only take a couple of days...
On the Bonus Video slots, yes. All the evidence is that each reel randomly lands on any position every spin.Are the "reels themselves" really random on MG slots ? I always thought they were the same as some of Barcrests etc, the outcome from the RNG is a win amount or no win and the reels are just used to display the win
As mentioned above, we plotted some of the reels & calculated the RTP which ties in with that theory.
Here's one for an example:
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But if you are talking about Microgaming's AWPs (or Fruit Machines), then yes, they work more like the UK arcade slots, i.e. not truly random.
KK
Well for you in particular Nate it's set at about, oooh.... 1000%
I obviously meant the RTP Nate, but I'm sure you knew that
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Not as far as I know.
I do have a few others which I never got round to publishing - but not that one.
Why don't you do it? It would only take a couple of days...
Uhmmm thanks for the suggestion KK... but no thanks
I obviously meant the RTP Nate, but I'm sure you knew that
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