(Possible stupid question alert!) Would I be right in saying...

H1_Roller

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....that if I play at a casino whose customer base is rather large, I have (technically) a better chance of winning, seeing as they take in much more money than those with a smaller customer base?

[More money in = more chance of money out?]

I don't know if this is a stupid question or not, so I'm stepping out on the ledge with it anyway.
It should be well known by the regular posters here that I'm a big fan of Ladbrokes, basically because of all the casinos I play(ed) at, I've won more consistently there than anywhere else. But then 32Red aren't shy of customers/players/punters/clientele (whatever) either and I couldn't win there to save my life. Perhaps I'm answering my own question with that point?

[I know it's slim, but] Do I have as much chance of hitting a perfect Wildstorm on TSII @ 32Red/Ladbrokes as I would have hitting it @ [insert smaller MG-powered casino here]?

And as a side note, but on the same subject - who, aside from those I've mentioned, are the 'Big Boys' of the online casino world?
 

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Hi H1_Roller:

Based on my personal experience, I feel that if a MG casino has more players, you have better chances to hit something. However, this is just my feel and no proof or bases what-so-ever.

This assumption is only applied to MG casinos. NOT RTG, NOT playTech. And I believe that as a UK player, for your own good, stay with MG. It will give you the best value of your money. And yes, play with large group.

I play at: fortune lounge (they have the best bonus and very good C/S, withdrawals are a bit slow 24 - 48 hours weekdays), 32red (dash, 32red), Jackpot Factory, redflush and GNUF/palace group.

I have had big withdrawals(>5K) from all of them, and never worry about not getting paid.
 

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No H1_Roller it's not a stupid question atall.

The answer is that if say you are on the MG network then it makes no difference what site you are playing on. Ladbrokes for example are just a client of MG. When you press 'spin' it gets sent to the MG RNG and the result gets sent back to you Lads account. So it doesn't matter where you play accross a network as RTP will be exactly the same.

It's the same for Playtech and Cryptologic but the RTP on slots will be different to MG ofcourse.

I take it that you are currently in a pattern of getting caned at 32Red and winning at Lads a lot. I know such things can feel very powerful but it is pure coincidence. But when it's happening it's obviously a hard habit to break. It's certainly a very powerful feeling!

If you want to learn more about software and gambling an excellent site is wizardofodds. It's a brilliant site for all things gambling.

As for who are the big boys - that indeed is a tricky one!

In the UK/Europe I would say the biggest ones are:

Will Hill
Ladbrokes
Intercasino
Party/BWIN

then

Mansion
Tote/Betfred
Bet365
32red
Betsson
Betway/GNUF
Paddy Power
Virgin
Coral/Gala
Red Flush
Expekt

I've probably missed a few out but this is off the top of my head.
 

H1_Roller

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Hi H1_Roller:

Based on my personal experience, I feel that if a MG casino has more players, you have better chances to hit something. However, this is just my feel and no proof or bases what-so-ever.

This assumption is only applied to MG casinos. NOT RTG, NOT playTech. And I believe that as a UK player, for your own good, stay with MG. It will give you the best value of your money. And yes, play with large group.

Thanks. I should have mentioned in the OP that I was actually referring to MG casinos, because I only really play at casinos that are MG-powered.

EDIT: DiamondGeezer - I don't play at 32Red, and haven't done for a few months. I couldn't win there, so I decided to quit while I was behind (rather than ahead). Thanks for the reply.
 

plasticnote

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I don't play at 32Red, and haven't done for a few months. I couldn't win there, so I decided to quit while I was behind (rather than ahead). Thanks for the reply.

May I suggest that:

You may try other casinos at 32red Plc. and switch more often from each other.

Gaming is full of surprise and make it so addictive ;)
 

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I'd have to say it doesn't make any difference on the slots. Where it might make a difference in what loyalty programs/bonuses they have to offer.

You might find at a smaller casino, that if you are a regular and loyal player that you might be considered VIP at a much different level of play. But then again, maybe not.

Good luck wherever you play.
 

H1_Roller

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I'd have to say it doesn't make any difference on the slots. Where it might make a difference in what loyalty programs/bonuses they have to offer.

You might find at a smaller casino, that if you are a regular and loyal player that you might be considered VIP at a much different level of play. But then again, maybe not.

Good luck wherever you play.

Thanks Jasmine :)

I do actually have a lot of luck (especially lately), a quick scan through the winner's screen shots thread from the last week or so would tell you that.
I'm really only asking because I'm actually winning so much at Ladbrokes and GoWild, I wanted to know if there was any point playing anywhere else :D
 

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Absolutely interesting question.
I don't know the answer.But think:maybe a big casino (such 32Red) in the meantime you're playing has few people (for a lot of reasons) .
Another smaller in the same period has a lot of player with much more deposits...What happens?
And if this period takes one month?
 

steveh35

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I maybe wrong about this but doesn't each game have a number so if for example 1 person only is playing a slot you get the next game up but if 100 people playing you get the next 100th game depending on how quickly you spin.

So any boff brains does that mean you more likely to win if you get the next consecutive games or if you say get every 100th game.

I was playing a slot the other day and kept getting the next 7th game if i span the same speed.
 

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The odds of hitting any combination on any spin is the same regardless of what casino or how many are playing.

If the odds were better, then they would have to be better for everyone which would mean the RTP would be higher which it isn't. Working back from that, since the RTP is the same on all MG games, if you believed your odds of winning were better at a big casino, you would have to believe they were worse for someone else, which is nonsense.

Either way, casino size makes no difference.
 

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I've wondered that myself - in the B&M casinos I've always noticed that I can't seem to win if I sit down at a bank of machines where nobody else is playing. If more people sit down to play, the games seem to start paying out. But it may be just coincidence.

Back a long time ago when I played at Grand Prive (back when they were still MG and before I was a member here), you used to be able to transfer part or all of your balance from one casino to another - which was really cool, I wish other groups would do that. Anyhow, I remember on one of their newsletters it said something like, "If your favorite game isn't paying out on XYZ casino, try transferring your funds to ZYX casino because each of our casinos has its OWN RNG."

So in the back of my mind I always thought that each MG casino operated like that, not all sharing the same RNG....?
 

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Back a long time ago when I played at Grand Prive (back when they were still MG and before I was a member here), you used to be able to transfer part or all of your balance from one casino to another - which was really cool, I wish other groups would do that. Anyhow, I remember on one of their newsletters it said something like, "If your favorite game isn't paying out on XYZ casino, try transferring your funds to ZYX casino because each of our casinos has its OWN RNG."

So in the back of my mind I always thought that each MG casino operated like that, not all sharing the same RNG....?
Personally I think that's complete nonsense!
Just pathetic marketing "spin" to try to get people playing more. :mad:
In any case, it's not the RNG which determines the pay-out level, it's the designed in RTP of each game.

Regarding the original question, my answer is exactly the same as Nifty's above.

KK
 

H1_Roller

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The odds of hitting any combination on any spin is the same regardless of what casino or how many are playing.

If the odds were better, then they would have to be better for everyone which would mean the RTP would be higher which it isn't. Working back from that, since the RTP is the same on all MG games, if you believed your odds of winning were better at a big casino, you would have to believe they were worse for someone else, which is nonsense.

Either way, casino size makes no difference.

Regarding the original question, my answer is exactly the same as Nifty's above.

KK

Thanks guys :)
 

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in the first post about larger customer base casino verses a smaller one , i wonder if a scenario like a [casino like as a player could get going on a tare of luck] there for capturing a greater share of wins for a particular time frame .

and wonder if in order to hit a win is it better to play when more peeps are playing like on a weekend or on the first of the month when retired peeps get there retirement checks

altho its a random thing , the house edge isn't as i have been informed by volumes of experts so is the edge derived at the operating cost (as being operations par +profit )?
 

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I'd have to say it doesn't make any difference on the slots. Where it might make a difference in what loyalty programs/bonuses they have to offer.

Well said and spot on. The payout of the games wont vary based on the customer base, but there are so many other factors worth considering.

This is probably worthy of it's own thread and perhaps even a poll.... Do you get better offers and service from the 'Big-Boys' or the smaller operations?
 

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***Curiosity killed the cat question...***

When MG pulled out from the US market, did the way the games played change? Meaning, do you think the games started paying better/worse? Do you think it didn't change anything having less players at the casinos?
I know when I was tossed out of Royal Joker and switched to the US version at All slots, I thought (my opinion only) the chances of hitting a bonus feature took more spins to accomplish. We had limited games to pick from which I felt was lacking since I lost the majority of the games I played. I miss playing MG casinos, they were one of my favorites. I also enjoyed the different games on the Rival platform.

*sigh* I just miss it all...
 

H1_Roller

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Well said and spot on. The payout of the games wont vary based on the customer base, but there are so many other factors worth considering.

This is probably worthy of it's own thread and perhaps even a poll.... Do you get better offers and service from the 'Big-Boys' or the smaller operations?

You should.
 

KasinoKing

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When MG pulled out from the US market, did the way the games played change? Meaning, do you think the games started paying better/worse? Do you think it didn't change anything having less players at the casinos?
I realise it can be hard to comprehend, living in a VERY big country like you do...
But USA population = approx 310 million.
Rest of the world population = approx 6.5 BILLION.
Americans are not the only people on this planet who like to gamble you know! :p

To answer your question directly: No, I haven't noticed any difference in my game-play.

KK
 

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The random generator has no idea how many players are playing at any given casino or on the network as a hole. Luckily for us the RNG is a simple beast. All he is interested in is returning a random result to the server.

Ksech in answer to your question the games are playing out tons now the US players are out.

Only joking :D.
 
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