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Poll slots 2

Discussion in 'Online Casinos' started by Rusty, Aug 22, 2008.

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Which software provides the fairest slot games?

  1. WagerWorks

    10 vote(s)
    13.0%
  2. Microgaming

    42 vote(s)
    54.5%
  3. Real Time Gaming

    11 vote(s)
    14.3%
  4. Playtech

    11 vote(s)
    14.3%
  5. Rival

    11 vote(s)
    14.3%
  6. None

    10 vote(s)
    13.0%
Multiple votes are allowed.
    Aug 22, 2008
  1. Rusty

    Rusty Banned User - repetitive flaming

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    The second poll deals with individual software providers.
    Which software do you feel offers the fairest slots?
    This multiple choice :thumbsup:
     
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  2. Aug 22, 2008
  3. lauram

    lauram Dormant account

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    I went with mg as i seem to find there that at least with so much variety of slots you can normally hit a few bonus rounds that keeps you playing on your deposit.
     
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  4. Aug 23, 2008
  5. mysticjoz

    mysticjoz Senior Member

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    Glad you let us pick more than one.. I like mg and rtg. They have been very, very nice to me for a while now :thumbsup:
     
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  6. Aug 23, 2008
  7. zap987

    zap987 Meister Member PABnononaccred2

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    I think they are all fair, and if I was worried they weren't I wouldn't play. I keep being amazed at how many people think online slots (and other games) are rigged in different ways but still keep playing.
     
  8. Aug 23, 2008
  9. same_old

    same_old Dormant account PABaccred webmeister

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    yeah MG for me to Rusty, hours of play out of small deposits and can hit so much more as opposed to the other places.
     
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  10. Aug 23, 2008
  11. Rusty

    Rusty Banned User - repetitive flaming

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    The question is which do you think offer the fairest games?
    If you think they are all equally fair then vote for them all.
    This is a poll.
    Your statement is more appropriate in the other poll.


    Already looking like a race for the minor places.
     
    Last edited: Aug 23, 2008
  12. Aug 23, 2008
  13. KasinoKing

    KasinoKing WebMeister & Slotaholic.. CAG MM PABnonaccred webmeister

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    Great poll - but one minor snaglett...
    Did you forget that (probably) way over 50% of CM members are in the USA so can't play WagerWorks or Playtech - therefore they are not likely to vote for them, are they?

    (BTW, I voted for all except RTG because I don't think it's fair that different casinos can have them set with different return %'s).
     
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  14. Aug 23, 2008
  15. Alexandre

    Alexandre Official Rep for Slotsmillion and Ladylucks webmeister

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    WagerWorks 100%
    They are part of IGT, a brick & mortar slot manufacturer and they are the only software which provide for each slot what they call the the payback info (in the paytable) + the way features are handled.
    RTG is obviously the last of the list.
    I think MG is random as Zoozie has demonstrated it with his SlotAnalyzer (Zoozie where are you gone ?).
    I'm not sure for Playtech.
    But as I've stated before random doesn't mean fair.
    Some people like (well, only Brits and Spanische...maybe Dutsh also) them non random.
     
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  16. Aug 23, 2008
  17. slotplayer

    slotplayer Senior Member webmeister

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    that's funny everyone picked MG. RTG uses the same RNG testing lab that my states lottery uses. My state lottery is 100% fair as a matter of fact coined the most successful lottery in the US. There is no way they would cheat anyone.

    Ahtough I've never played any brand with real money except for Casino Rewards Microgaming I'm convinced they changed something since April. (after the last big jackpot winner?).

    Since then it is nearly impossible to get a bonus round no matter what time of or night let alone some close together or even back to back. Even if you win something it takes it all back especially if you increase the wager amount. This pattern seems to be consistent across all the slot games I've played. Seems the occasional bonus round only occurs on the lower coin denominations.

    I remember reading a post about this a while back however has anyone else notice this?
     
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  18. Aug 23, 2008
  19. KasinoKing

    KasinoKing WebMeister & Slotaholic.. CAG MM PABnonaccred webmeister

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    A 100% random RNG does not mean a 100% random slot.
    The RNG just produces a random number, it's what the slot software does with that number afterwards which determines if the slot if fair or not.
    (e.g. It could be programmed to ignore the RNG under certain circumstances).

    KK
     
  20. Aug 23, 2008
  21. slotplayer

    slotplayer Senior Member webmeister

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    no I understand, but that would make it crooked.
     
  22. Aug 23, 2008
  23. Rusty

    Rusty Banned User - repetitive flaming

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    I did not realise that US could not play these software types anywhere so yeah it is going to skew the figures unfortunately.

    Just One point about Zoozies slot analyser;
    It only shows that the paytable and reel layouts could be consistent with the stated RTP.
    It in no way proves that MG slots are completely random or any fairer than any other software.
    A very important distinction but for the record I voted MG and Wagerworks as the fairest of the bunch.
     
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  24. Aug 23, 2008
  25. paul02085

    paul02085 Senior Member

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    I wonder why over 50% r in US since we can hardly play online anymore? More sick addicts maybe lol, j/k. :)
     
  26. Aug 23, 2008
  27. babs7262

    babs7262 Banned User

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    I just realized I shouldnt of answered this poll. I did not read any answers but realizd after voting that USA cant play at playtech and wagerworks so this really isnt for USA to vote on.

    I voted none: you can omit my answer please and I apologize for answering when I shouldnt have
     
  28. Aug 24, 2008
  29. Rusty

    Rusty Banned User - repetitive flaming

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    Not at all, as KK pointed out it was my mistake by including software that could not be played in the US, this was in no way a poll meant to exclude any players from any country.
     
  30. Aug 26, 2008
  31. gerilege

    gerilege Meister Member PABnorogue PABrogue

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    I believe that the slots of all the listed 5 providers are fair. My personal feelings (as a computer scientist and a slot player :) ) follow:
    For very convincing reasons I have the most trust in RTG providing true random slots (#1), and MG is a clear and strong #2 in my eyes in this aspect despite of the weighted reels fiasco. No problems with Playtech (#3), but I would like to have their payout% announced as I think it's lower than any of the other listed 4. I am also not yet convinced that they offer the same payout% for different number of lines played, but that could of course change, I simply don't have enough information to judge. Wagerworks slots seem to be fair as well, but I experienced some anomalies with their table games, and also one minor one with one of their slot games, and they are #4 on my list. Despite of listing their payout% Rival is #5, but that can change, I am yet to do my homework related to their slots. But up to now I consistently had serious problems reaching the theoretical payout%.

    Not listed on the poll, but NetEnt would be my #6 as it is confirmed that the payout% depends on number of lines played on some of their slots and I feel that this behaviour limits my choices in the style I'm playing with them and provides some uncertainity. Cryptologic was also not listed, but would be #7 on my list, but only because of the low payout% and the limited denominations, and overlapping winlines on the first three reels on their 20liners. No signs show that they would be unfair. Another major provider, Boss would be the #8, because I'm quite sure that the payout% depends on the number of lines, and I also have reasons to believe that they might not determinate the winnings based on true random reel stop positions. Additionally some of their classic 3liners will always stop on the top pay combination on an unselected winline, which is a tactic I hate.
     
  32. Aug 26, 2008
  33. Zoozie

    Zoozie Ueber Meister CAG PABnonaccred

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    This is correct. But combine this with the work of Kimms and you have the proof. He collected spin data for each reel for 10K+ spins on Thunderstruck and many other slots.

    They showed
    1) Reels are unweighted (except for the old slots, but in this case he also proved they were indeed weigthed).
    I ran statistical analysis on the data and confirmed
    2) There were no correlation between the reels. (independant reels)
    What more proofs do you want?

    Or come with one argument why it should not be this way. With a 5% house egde on slots, there casino has no reason to cheat.

    1) and 2) is what defines a video-slot.

    So do I. The following post by a Playtech casino manager gives more than a clue about Playtech slots payout%. I believe forgot to delete one of the digits...

    Playtech slot payout% hint

    For the fairness of video slots I often have a problem with picking games.
    I still remember the RTG Fruit Frenzy that was suddenly introduced where you could never hit the canon in the feature. This had a drastic result on
    the payout% of course. You have no idea of knowing what is going on in these picking feature games. Or what probability distribution is behind it.
    For normal freespins slot this is not an issue. The reels will tell all there is
    to know about the slot.
     
  34. Aug 26, 2008
  35. dendrite

    dendrite Senior Member webby

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    I'll agree with that vote for Wagerworks - I like to be able to see the payback when playing the game, just as you can with a bricks and mortar slot
     
  36. Aug 26, 2008
  37. handkey

    handkey Dormant account webmeister

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    yes, I choose microgaming.

    More chance to get the bonus feature than others
     
  38. Aug 26, 2008
  39. AudiManinBoro

    AudiManinBoro Ueber Meister MM

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    Their aernt many industries these days that aernt manipulated in some fashion or another, from tv quiz shows to sports events and yes to online casinos. It doesnt stop most people from playing even knowing there is a (possibility) that things aernt quite as they are supposed to be.
     

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