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In general people seem to like PokerStars. A more competitive level of play compared with a PartyPoker, more on the level of Ultimate Bet.
 

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Played it for a Couple of hours last night- Very nice. The Hands seemed very random & none of that 8 straight straights in a row like pokerroom gives. I really like pokerroom's software- better that pokerstar's, but pokerstars isn'r as 'patterned' as pokerroom. Everyone at the table was winning hands unlike pokerroom's where certain seats would win consistantly- I wish pokerstars would adopt software similiar to pokerroom's though.
 

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PokerStars was the first room I ever used - but something turned me off it.
The software was not the best - dunno if it's changed in the last 2-years..?

For absolutely the most fun you can have with your clothes on: True Poker!
(Best software by blinking MILES! :D )

For loads of non-stop action, with 20,000 + opponents: Empire Poker

These are my current favorites. :thumbsup:
 

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Nazareth said:
Played it for a Couple of hours last night- Very nice. The Hands seemed very random & none of that 8 straight straights in a row like pokerroom gives. I really like pokerroom's software- better that pokerstar's, but pokerstars isn'r as 'patterned' as pokerroom. Everyone at the table was winning hands unlike pokerroom's where certain seats would win consistantly- I wish pokerstars would adopt software similiar to pokerroom's though.

No offense to you personally, but people like "you" should not be playing poker online if you have feelings like that (ie, there are "lucky" seats, "patterned hands".)

Why would online poker rooms want to kill the golden cash cow they currently have going for them? Online poker is not rigged, fixed, and does not favor certain players over others. The sooner you begin to recognize this, the more you'll enjoy playing online. :)
 

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Don't think so? Go sign up for pokerroom and then sign up for pokerstars- play both for about a week- I'm telling you that I have been testing this at pokerroom- this isn't simply coincidence. I'm not saying it's 100% sure- but my gosh- do like I say then report back here- I think you'll find quite a difference between the two poker places. Big difference in the number of 'straight chasers' between the two places & big difference in the number of times the straights come up on the boards between the two places- those straights I listed a few posts ago were the actual straights that kept comming up- Sign up for pokerroom and see for yourself. If I'm wrong, then I'm wrong- but it looks aweful suspicious to me at pokerroom. I value your opinion, but if you haven't played there then you don't know what I'm talking about. The original poster hasp layed there and agrees- Yes, we could be wrong- But I'm telling you that when I keep careful track of the seats that are winning, and then switch rooms & take that same seat, I start winning- consistantly- it has happened too many times to be coincidence or 'lucky streaks' on my part. The cards just keep falling in my favour when I take careful note & I'm the one that starts beating the flush with J over the 10 of the other persons hand-

Just go observe for awhile & I think you might come to the conclusion that 'maybe' somethign aint right like I have- I'm not saying there are 'lucky seats' I don't beleive in that- I am saying there may be patterns going on there

And I Am enjoying my online experience at pokerstars- Very much
 
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Don't think so? Go sign up for pokerroom and then sign up for pokerstars- play both for about a week-

Heh...I've played 10s of thousands of hands of hold 'em at pokerroom. And 100's of thousands of hands at other sites. The way I got into gambling at online casinos, was originally from playing poker online.

I like pokerroom and have always done rather well there. The streaks you're seeing are just a result of the # of hands you're seeing/playing an hour. You'll probably get around 30 hands dealt per hour at a casino in a live game of poker. Whereas you'll probably get 80 dealt in exactly the same game online. Since you're seeing more than twice as many hands, "streaks" like that are more than twice as likely to occur.

Glad you're enjoying it, but I found once I got over the sneaking suspicions of "something ain't right...", it's alot easier to enjoy the game, even when your cards are running cold and it seems like you'll never win another hand.
 

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Don't think so? Go sign up for pokerroom and then sign up for pokerstars- play both for about a week- I'm telling you that I have been testing this at pokerroom- this isn't simply coincidence.

Naz,

I understand your concern, but you need to understand two things.

1.) The players at pokerstars are tighter than pokerroom, a LOT tighter. When you have a lot of loose players who go too far with their hands, you are going to see many more big hands. When you hit your hand though, you will win a bigger pot.

2.) You see a LOT more hands playing online than you do live. At least twice as many per hour. Because of this, you are going to see more strange events. In addition, the brain naturally tries to make sense out of these events, and detect patterns in them, which is not appropriate for random events.

I like pokerstars and pokerroom. I generally play at pokerstars and UB when I'm tired of getting clobbered by junk hands. I move back to pokerroom and party poker when I'm tired of breaking even or losing due to the rake.

Keep records at pokerstars, and move back to pokerroom for a while after you've played some good players. Check your records afterwards, I'm sure you'll see a big difference. (www.pokercharts.com is good for keeping records, and www.cardplayer.com also has a stats tracking feature, if you want to spend the money www.pokertracker.com has an excellent program to use as well)
 
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alright- but just got done at pokerrookm- turned $4000 into $8500 in the 25/50 rooms moving from room to room when I ran into losing streaks- Too tired to think right now- but I'll postm ore tomorrow- that observing the winning players & then moving from room to room to find thoise open seats- I'm telling you- I'm nailing some good winnings & another quick thing here- pokerstars- you don't see people going on 'winning streaks' for as long they do in pokerroom- I'll expound moreo n that tomorrow- but it could have something to do with the looser style play.

For you pokerroom players- give it a try- it may take you a couple of moves to find the right seats because sometimes peeps will hit 2-3 hands then not hit again for a long time- but try to find the ones that are hitting about 5 out of ten then find another room with that empty seat-.

I sit in the rooms when I'm on losing streak & don't bet & just watch the players- they'll go on winning binges & it moves from person to person- they'll win 4-5 in a row- then another will win like 3, then another will win 4-5 in a row sometimes more- I dunno-

I'm not gonna dwell on it too much- but I'm tellin ya- I turned a losing play into a winning one doing exactly what I said. My gosh- in ten hours (not consecutavely but over two days) I went from about 24000 to 33 thousand a short while ago-
 

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Anyone play there? Any comments Good Bad or otherwise?

They are a great poker room. Excellent support and software. Many tournaments. Only drawback is that ring tables have pretty tight players.
 

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alright- but just got done at pokerrookm- turned $4000 into $8500 in the 25/50 rooms moving from room to room when I ran into losing streaks- Too tired to think right now- but I'll postm ore tomorrow- that observing the winning players & then moving from room to room to find thoise open seats- I'm telling you- I'm nailing some good winnings & another quick thing here- pokerstars- you don't see people going on 'winning streaks' for as long they do in pokerroom- I'll expound moreo n that tomorrow- but it could have something to do with the looser style play.

For you pokerroom players- give it a try- it may take you a couple of moves to find the right seats because sometimes peeps will hit 2-3 hands then not hit again for a long time- but try to find the ones that are hitting about 5 out of ten then find another room with that empty seat-.

I sit in the rooms when I'm on losing streak & don't bet & just watch the players- they'll go on winning binges & it moves from person to person- they'll win 4-5 in a row- then another will win like 3, then another will win 4-5 in a row sometimes more- I dunno-

I'm not gonna dwell on it too much- but I'm tellin ya- I turned a losing play into a winning one doing exactly what I said. My gosh- in ten hours (not consecutavely but over two days) I went from about 24000 to 33 thousand a short while ago-

My advice is that you don't play at those kind of stakes if you still belive in hot seats and such nonsense. You will bust out sooner rather than later. Poker is not like a casino. It is a game of skill.
 

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Nazareth said:
For you pokerroom players- give it a try- it may take you a couple of moves to find the right seats because sometimes peeps will hit 2-3 hands then not hit again for a long time- but try to find the ones that are hitting about 5 out of ten then find another room with that empty seat-.

On the remote chance that you're actually serious ... you are the guy that the high stakes pros LOVE. I hope the money you are playing with is disposable income, because you cannot possibly be a long term winner with that mindset.
 

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Bpb & freudian, I only play for fakem oney so I can't speak for thje games for real money- I been playing there for about 3 weeks now and I've been doing really well especially when I started doing what I described to do. (And yes, I even play the NL games & do well & have recently started doing even better now that I know how not to get sucked into raising wars which was my downfall when I first started)

Look- I know you have your doubts- all I'm saying is if you play there- give it a try- it will take some work on your part & you might take awhile to find the right seats. Here's what will happen- You'll see a seat or two hitting, but they are what I call short term hitters- they'll win like 3-5 hands, and then shut off for a long time- perhaps picking up 2-3 more hands in an hour or so-. I've sat there and watched (And, been victim of) players hit a couple of hands, and then get teaser hand after teaser hand after teaser hand for over an hour- all the while certain seats will be winning coinsistantly- Beleive me- I'm playing there for like 6 hours straight- sometimes more every day.

Look for the seats that hit like 4-5 hands, then miss a couple, then hit a couple more hands-= then switch rooms and get in that same seat- IF you have been on a losing streak, I think you're going to find that if you find the right seat, you're going to staret winning- I've had nights when I started winning and almost could not lose- but only after doing what I described. All of sudden I was the one gewtting the cards that were beating the straights by one card, beating the flushes by the higher card etc..

Go to any other poker site & watch- you won't find certain seats hitting 4-5 in a row as consistantly as you do in pokerroom and yo7u certainly won't see as many consecutive strights and teaser flops. What you will see is more people folding on the flop instead of getting dragged into betting right up to the river.

In poker room- watch the guy in white shirt on left, girl in red dress, and girl in blue dress- they seem to be the ones that hit most consistantly- other seats will have their runs, but in the long run, these three seem to be most consistant. You'll have to watch the old lady though- she can really go on tears. The guy in tux does well too & if you can get his seat at the right time- you'll do well. Thing is, you'll have to be vigilent & watch & you';ll have to be quick when switching rooms- the seats will hit for 4-5 hands then stop for a bit, then hit some more- don't stay in the seat if you haven't hit for several hands though- if you do- you're apt to be waiting (and spending) alot of money waiting for the seat to get hot

I wish- truly wish this wasn't the case- I really like the pokerroom software alot & just want a truly random game & beleive me, I'm not happy about finding htis out- I really wanted to like this site- I mean I stil do, but I have my suspicions at this point & it's based on what I've been seeing and trying myself.

Freudian wrote "My advice is that you don't play at those kind of stakes if you still belive in hot seats and such nonsense. You will bust out sooner rather than later. Poker is not like a casino. It is a game of skill."

Normally freudian, that is excellent advice- however- not for pokerroom- I've been doing thius for long enough that I'm noticing a pattern there and have been taking advantage of it- proffitably I might add. You think it's nonsense? Then all I can say is either give it a try, or don't beleive me. I mean my gosh- you mention skill- and you're right- But who in their right mind would hold an 8c-2s after a raise and still end up winning enough times tro suggest that something definately isn't right? You find the right seats in pokerroom and I'm telling you that you can do this on a consistant enough basis that it will convince you something is askew.. Just for giggles- one night I'm going to write down all the crappy hands I play and win on and keep track of seats. I'm also going to keep track of the other's seats and write down how many times in a row they hit over the course of a night.

Beleive me- I do NOT play this way in other casinos- but at poker room- I've namaged to- in the course of 8 days, turn $1000 into $33,000- Yes, you heard me right- 8 days- in just ten hours- I made nearly 10,000- I'm nbot trying to brag here- I'm really not a very skilled player- I'm simply trying to point out something is amiss at pokerrroom & I think I've discovered what. I really wish it wasn't true, but I have my doubts.
 

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The play money tables at most sites are little more than a lottery, as most players see little reason to fold.

If you are really interested in poker, Nazereth, you might want to consider making a small ($25) deposit at pokerstars, and play at their micro limit tables. I think they have tables going down to .05/.10 stakes. Still loose, but you might learn more about the game.
 

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You can't compare play money with real money play. Even at micro-limits the play is much better than on play money tables.

And I don't for a second think Poker Room isn't dealing a fair game. Unlike casinos there is absolutely no incentive to do so. The poker rooms makes money by being fair. What you probably have experienced is short term luck and variance. It happens to everyone who plays poker.

But if you are convinced you have a full proof way to win money on Poker Room, you probably should desposit some money and make a million.

Btw, I made $1000 in play money into $90000 on pokerstars in one afternoon while goofing off with my friends. No hot seats or anything was needed. Just the abysmal play on playmoney tables.
 
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Nazareth said:
I'm really not a very skilled player- I'm simply trying to point out something is amiss at pokerrroom & I think I've discovered what. I really wish it wasn't true, but I have my doubts.

I would recommend depositing as much money as possible and hit the 10/20 tables with your system. Be sure to come back and let us know how it goes.
 

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Bp you can make fun all you like- but I just came back from poker room- played for 2 1/2 hour and started with $7500- I now have $12700-- Eiuther don't beleive me or not- Try it or just sit there wityhout knowing what I'm talking about because of lack of experience, and doubt and make fun- I don't care

As for you others- yes- I realize the money tables are different & the play is different- that doesn't however account for the seats getting hot- that isn't skill- that's pattern- I've stated I can't speak for the money rooms- just the fake money rooms. I'd start an account just to check it out- but I live in state where it's illegal so I gotta stick to play money-

Let me show you what my last room was like- I wrote down the winning seats as they hit each round- I sat in the seat of the guy with suspenders- I'll label the people like this

S=Suspender man
T=Tux man
W=white shirt man
R=Red dress girl
BD=Blue dress girl
O=Old lady
AA=Afro american man
C=Cigar guy]
H=Guy with the hat
J=Woman in jogging suit.

Now- Her is the run down of the wins per round

H, H, S, S, W, S, S, BD, S, C, W, W, W, S, S, J, W, BD, S, H, AA, S, R, C, W, J, O, C, J,-

It stopped hitting for Suspender guy, so I left

Here's another room when I first went in today- I was the woman in Red Dress cuz there were no open seats

W, R, C, R, R, S, AA, S, C, R, S, R, R, C, W, R, C, W,

then she quit hitting so I moved to another room to the white shirt guy which I hit a couple more thne tried another room but didn't do well- I missed the seat- here's how that room played out

AA, C, H, H, H, J, R, W, S, W,, J, H, H, H, S, S, W, S, AA, H, S, H.

I was getting clobbered by the guy in hat- He was beating my straights and flushes consistantly

This goes on all night- & these guys aren't winning with low hands either- they're getting the cards- Even when they get do get crap, they still win?

Freudian- this isn't short term- I'm seeing this night after night after night- As I said- I've been playing for awhile now & was consistanly losing until I started to suspect something wasn't right- I mean gosh- I went on an 8 hour losing streak one night- Had to go bacvk to refill my account twice- I just could not get the cards to drop right- Since discovering this thoguuhg- I haven't had to refill again because I'm simply not losing like I was before.

This isn't some 'lucky system' I'm talking about here- there really does seem to be some kind of patterns going on. How many rooms have you guys played in where people are winning as consistantly as what I posted above? Usually it's pretty random & spread out over the table- someone might get lucky and have a few good hands- but my gosh not as consdistantly as that
 
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This forum is great !
I played play money to warm up before i joined a few places but since you can deposit as little as 10.00-15.00 US in some , play on 10-20c or 25-50c tables and have a lot of fun win or lose.

I think any software can be tweaked or have a special plugin written so theres always the potential for it and its good to be vigilant but i agree with Mugwump and Deexamn that generally those variables they mentioned are whats at play.


man im slow that post wasnt the when i started mine :)
 
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Well, I wish you guys would try it out- I know i aint crtazy here- just for fun- but if you normally just play for real money, don't play the fake money rooms for too long- it'll affect your real money play style- I find myself getting a bit careless at times- the games are real loose. People will play (And even raise a 2-9 offsuit it's so bad)

I'm gonna go on again tonight later & keep track of the seats that win again-

Also- if one of you don't mind- perhaps keep track of the seats that win where you play (If you play in fake money rooms at all?) Just curious how the two would stack up- When I play at pokerstars- you never see the amounts of runs there that you do at pokerroom. One guy mentioned pokerstars is more 'tight' but I think they can be just as loose in the fake money rooms- that's where I play & tyhat seems to b4e my experience- games are just as fast- infact, they're a bit faster there - so I'm playing about the same number of hands- I'll try it out tonight or tomorrow night just to be sure though.
 

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Well, I wish you guys would try it out- I know i aint crtazy here- just for fun- but if you normally just play for real money, don't play the fake money rooms for too long- it'll affect your real money play style- I find myself getting a bit careless at times- the games are real loose. People will play (And even raise a 2-9 offsuit it's so bad)

I'm gonna go on again tonight later & keep track of the seats that win again-

Also- if one of you don't mind- perhaps keep track of the seats that win where you play (If you play in fake money rooms at all?) Just curious how the two would stack up- When I play at pokerstars- you never see the amounts of runs there that you do at pokerroom. One guy mentioned pokerstars is more 'tight' but I think they can be just as loose in the fake money rooms- that's where I play & tyhat seems to b4e my experience- games are just as fast- infact, they're a bit faster there - so I'm playing about the same number of hands- I'll try it out tonight or tomorrow night just to be sure though.

One word will describe this in full: Superstition.

Fake money tables *anywhere* are a joke. You have people (99% kids probably) that go all in every hand no matter what. If anyone actually thinks they can hone their skills on the play money tables, they're in for a surprise lol...you'd be better off buying a poker game for yourself and playing it on your computer.

What it all comes down to, you're trying to find a pattern in a RNG that just isn't there.

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And like it was mentioned before, if you're so sure of this theory, why not make a real money deposit and try it out? I'd say start off with $4500, and if you're right, you'll turn that into $8500 (like you did at the play $ table) :D
 
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Bp you can make fun all you like- but I just came back from poker room- played for 2 1/2 hour and started with $7500- I now have $12700-- Eiuther don't beleive me or not- Try it or just sit there wityhout knowing what I'm talking about because of lack of experience, and doubt and make fun- I don't care

I know exactly what you're talking about. You're trying to describe and interpret patterns that SIMPLY AREN'T THERE. Any efforts put into detecting such patterns will be at best, wasted time, and at worst, wasted money.

If such patterns existed, you will be able to describe them in precise mathematical terms, showing that the frequency of A is happening > x standard deviations above the expected result. Listing 20 hands to prove a hypothesis is ludicrous.

If you want to win at hold'em ... put time into studying some of the worthwhile texts out there (keeping in mind that the vast majority of books out there aren't worth the paper they're printed on), and gain experience through playing low-limit, real money hands. Limits of $.02/$.04 abound and are far more useful than those play money tables.
 

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Lol- not there huh? I'm standing at exactly $19,454 - that's up from the $7400 I started off with this morning.- I just went on for the last 3 hours and went from $12,700 up to $19,454. Yep- you're right- there's no patterns going on there- Don't play there- don't check it out for yourself.

"If you want to win at hold'em ... put time into studying some of the worthwhile texts out there (keeping in mind that the vast majority of books out there aren't worth the paper they're printed on), and gain experience through playing low-limit, real money hands. Limits of $.02/$.04 abound and are far more useful than those play money tables."

This isn't even about learning the game- this is about what I see happening & not getting good random games. I am winning- and I'm playing as best i can- but again- I'm noting some thigns I don't especially care for. If you wish to check out what I'm saying, fine- I go by the name of Stonned (That's the name they gave me and I can't change it)- We can set up a time and I'll be there. Or you can just check it out for yourself- You can keep saying there isn't no patterns going on there- but I tell you different- Tonight for instance- You would not wanted to have been the old lady, or the woman in the jogger suit, or the woman in the blue dress- they won nothing- for three hours- practically zilch- This happens every night- every time I go on- certain seats will win a few scattered hands here and there- but in the end- they end up losing big time because they just are not dealt the cards- I know- I've been the victim- Since discovering this however- I have not had that misfortune

"Listing 20 hands to prove a hypothesis is ludicrous."

That 20 hands was typical of everytime I go on- If it was only happening a couple of times- I wouldn't even have noticed anything was going on- this is constant is what I'm trying to tell you.

When you play poker- do you find that three of the 10 players are shut out for an entire three hours while the same four people at the table win hand after hand after hand after hand? Do you find this happening everytime you go on? Are you constantly being dealt sucker cards? like being dealt them for 4 straight rounds after you win a couple of hands in a row? Does the board continually show straights? Because that's what is happening where I play. Sorry- but it's too consistant.

WinBig- No offensem an- but it doesn't matter what the other players are doing- it's the cards that are dealt that determine who wins- In fact- it's even better in these fake money rooms becasue you will see everyon'es hands at the end of the round because they never fold hardly.

That three hours I just spent- I wrote down every seat that hit and I'll tell you honestly, in the three hours I was playing, I never saw seats 2 and 5 and six hit more than a very few times. This happens every time I go on- the next time might be seats 1 and 3 and 9 or something and- there were some awefully 'unlucky' people there tonight.

As I've said- I have not tried the money rooms- I live in a state wherte it's illegal to gamble online- I'm on dissability, and would risk losing that as well- not worth the gamble. I will say this- as a previous poster pointed out- it probably is different in the money rooms because of several factors- one- pokerroom certainly would not risk getting caught- 2 money players play different- pokerroom does not profit so they would gain nothing- Now- why is it different in fake money rooms? I donj't know
 

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I give up.
 
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