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Poker Host Nightmare!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Discussion in 'Online Casino and Poker Complaints - old section' started by CasinoKim, Mar 22, 2005.

    Mar 22, 2005
  1. CasinoKim

    CasinoKim Dormant account

    Occupation:
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    Location:
    Lynn, MA
    Problem in detail: Hi its Kim OLeary CasinoKim. I have to tell you about the NIGHTMARE that happened to me on 3/20 after placing 2nd in a huge tourny at poker host. Here goes: I won my way to a WPT event through a satellite. I played in it on 3/20, the tourny started at 4:00. 1st place was supposed to go to Reno for the WPT. But since the total prize pool was5612, less than the prize package worth 6,100 according to their web site You must register/login in order to see the link. look at WPT section line 9 we were competing for money instead. Thats how it was posted in the lobby the whole tournament and that was what we all tought as players. I made it to second place. The announced prize pool was as follows: 1st, 2806.00 , 2nd 1683.60, 3rd 1112.40. The first place winner was ChicoEJ, then me CasinoKim3, Third was hitman. When the tourny finished, the money was posted to my account. I went to the cashier to withdraw my winnings via mastercard. Then logged off poker host. I then when back on to Poker Host to the cashier to reverse the withdrawal and use a different withdrawal method to cash out my winnings via neteller. I called to see if that was a problem, and POOF The money was no longer there I spoke with 2 customer service people, then to a manager named Daniel at first, then he transferred me to another manager named Gus. I told them all my story about the disappearing. They told me that it was a mistake, I never should have gotten the money in the first place and It was a winner take all tournament. It was not posted that way after using a few not so nice choice words to Gus. I fought with them for 2 hours about this I dont know if they took the money away from the 3rd place finisher hitman or not. But they refuse to pay me. They cancelled my pending withdrawal and now I have nothing I told them that I was a member of several poker clubs, including this one and that I would certainly let them know what happened to me. Gus response was well since you are use to how these things work, I should know that only the top finisher gets its all. I will be calling my lawyer Monday about this, and I told them that as well. I went into my transaction history at poker host, and printed it out,it shows that the money was there and the pending NETELLER withdrawal is there. After arguing with Gus more, and a few more phone calls later, They did not let me log into poker host, and I can no longer access my Transaction history I thankfully have everything printed out including the picture of the payout screens and amounts with my camera at the tournament. End result for me is no money to bad for you I have sent you a screen shot of the tournament in a seperate mail. I also have the backing of Poker Analysis This is the link to that topic, the screen shot is also there:You must register/login in order to see the link. you guys help me or direct me to someone in the higher up department since they refused me that information Thanks, Kim OLeary
     
    Last edited: Mar 22, 2005
  2. Mar 22, 2005
  3. Zacaroni

    Zacaroni Dormant account

    Occupation:
    Gen. Contractor, Webmaster
    Location:
    Chattanooga, TN
    Hi, I'm the admin over at PA and stand behind CasinoKim 100%. I asked her to come here in hopes of getting this resolved. Here is what I acquired;

    I finally got to the bottom of how it went down.

    When Poker Host does not get enough entrants for a tourney for a trip or even a satellite entry into another tournament, they payout cash, 3 places.

    In this particular tournament, they collected $5602 of the $6100 to pay for the WPT trip. So it was a cash prize. The rules and my screen shot back it up. So the game is played and the cash is paid out into the players accounts.

    Gino, the manager, brainstorming, thinking it would be better advertisement saying HEY THIS PLAYER IS GOING TO THE WPT, yanked the money out of 2nd and 3rd places bank accounts and added $500. Then awarded it to the 1st place winner.

    Sure 1st place is happy, but 2nd and 3rd got screwed in the process.

    Very bad business decision on Gino's part!

    Now he won't fess up to his mistake! :axeman2: You can't twist and manipulate rules to your liking anytime you please.

    Here is the screenshot of the payout that they stole the the money from.

    You must register/login in order to see the link.


    Now if you talk to Gino from PH, you will hear these stories.

    It was posted in chat that there was one winner. LIE
    The 3rd place winner agreed to this. LIE

    Please Help!!
     
    Last edited: Mar 22, 2005
  4. Mar 22, 2005
  5. pokeraddict

    pokeraddict Webmaster

    Occupation:
    Pro Poker Player
    Location:
    Las Vegas
    http://www.casinomeister.com/forums/showthread.php?t=7349 is another complaint on this board about Pokerhost.com.

    Pokerhost has had many complaints in its young existance. Searching 2+2 will give you several complaints about situations they allegedly mishandled and locking accounts with substantial money in them. They are owned by a low rated sportsbook named SBG Global. Sportsbookreview.com gives them a D. I get junk snail mail weekly from these guys, that in itself is enough of a reason to not do business with them. All of these complaints are just icing on the cake. This is unfortunate as there are so few poker rooms that get accused of stealing money but yet this one on a few months has had more then any room in the last year. Prima is probably the only one that can rival them in these type of complaints, but Prima is the 4th largest poker room, Pokerhost is a nobody so the % of complaints per customer is completely out of whack.
     
  6. Mar 23, 2005
  7. Zacaroni

    Zacaroni Dormant account

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    :thumbsup:

    One of PH's defense on this is their tournies that don't generate enough cash still only pays one place. So I decided this email was in order! I wrote them an email identical to the situation, told them I won 1st place and thought I was suppose to get all the money!

    This email is evidence against Poker Host where they stole the money from 2nd place winner CasinoKim3 and 3rd place hitman in the March 20 WPT satellite.

    Thank You Very Much!

    ====== Please reply above this line ======

    Satellite

    Dear Mr.Mitchell


    Thank you for your email, and for choosing Pokerhost your final destination for online poker action.

    We apologize for the inconvenience, when a satellite, doesn't cover enough players, the buyin is given in 50% 30% 20% percentages, only if there are enough players then the seat is given.

    Please do not forget that we are having a $100,000 Guaranteed Tournament which will be hosted on April 10th, at 5:30pm EST. The buy in is $100+$10 with one rebuy and no addons. Working in your favor, we will have satellites and qualifiers that are scheduled throughout the day.


    If you have any further questions or concerns, please do not hesitate to contact our support team for immediate attention via live chat, our toll free number 1-866-POKER11, or at This email is not visible to you..


    Working to achieve your best interests,
    John Len
    Customer Service
    Available for 24 hour telephone support at 1-866-POKER11

    Ticket Details
    =========
    Ticket ID: QSW-43525
    Tracking URL: You must register/login in order to see the link.
    Department: Customer Support
    Created On: 22 Mar 2005 03:15 PM
    Last Update: 22 Mar 2005 03:15 PM
    Status: Closed

    <ticket no="QSW-43525"/>
     
  8. Mar 23, 2005
  9. 555YY

    555YY Dormant account

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    hello casinokim,

    i saw this thread here and at wol, you have my sympathies. the situation is maddening but i'm sure you will be paid in the end, as PH is clearly in the wrong here.

    if you haven't done so, i suggest strongly that you post the same thread at the popular poker boards such as: 2+2, rgp, and fullcontactpoker, and make sure you keep it active. those forums are composed mainly of poker players, which can do most damage to PH's business, there's no way they can stand that kind of public scrutiny. aside from that, these forums also have lots of poker industry insiders who might/or might not be able to help you

    i also suggest writing an email detailing your situation to cardplayer, as they are the most popular poker magazine online, and they can bring alot of negative publicity. also tell PH that you will bring media exposure to their site if need be, this is kind of thing news media loves: the rights and wrongs and of online gambling when a poker site rips you off, one piece would tear their business apart...

    good luck! :thumbsup:
     
  10. Mar 23, 2005
  11. CasinoKim

    CasinoKim Dormant account

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    Thank you for your support everyone! I have already posted this in about 10 other forums more or less. Feel free to post it also in any other forums you can think of. I put it in about 3 forums a day. I have already talked to ESPN radio, magazine, channels in Boston 4-5-and7, Card player Magazine and every person on page 10 in the new issue, I heard back from Lou Kreiger on this, I have also contacted All in Magazine, Bluff magazine, online poker news magazines, and other venues. I do have the backing of one of these magazines but would rather not say which one right now until a plan goes through with them. I spoke with a magazine rep several times already about this situation.

    Also look at this link:You must register/login in order to see the link.

    Thanks again Everyone!

    What do you think about this Casinomeister? I put this on pitchabith too
     
  12. Mar 24, 2005
  13. Zacaroni

    Zacaroni Dormant account

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    Where is Casinomeister at?

    This has received frontline attention from many sources of media, yet remains unresolved.

    Now that everyone has their goodies in the pot, I want to hear what the cook has to say. :)
     
  14. Mar 24, 2005
  15. Casinomeister

    Casinomeister Forum Cheermeister Staff Member

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    I'll try to check more on this tomorrow - been pretty busy :D
     
  16. Mar 25, 2005
  17. Dreamer

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    Location:
    Massachusetts
    Kim,
    Am I going to be seeing you on the evening news? I live in Worcester and get the Boston channels... Sorry to hear of this. I am glad I am not a member there. Seems like they are trying to have their cake and eat it too. Not good. Let's hope this is not a trend for the future. More bad news in today's newsletter. With the poker explosion, I feel this is a very bad policy for online poker sites. Don't they realize they are hurting themselves in the long run? There is plenty of money to be made out there, and more people are coming on board every day... How stupid!

    I will be watching to see how this one turns out, best of luck!
     
  18. Mar 25, 2005
  19. Dreamer

    Dreamer Dormant account

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    Massachusetts
    Just has a thought, you should post this in in rec.gambling.poker newsgroup. It's the place to be for poker players... If you can't access newsgroups (AOL cut them off), you can go through:
    You must register/login in order to see the link. to read and post...
    GL!
     
  20. Mar 25, 2005
  21. CasinoKim

    CasinoKim Dormant account

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    Location:
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    LOL Dont think the news can help me. It a jurisdiction thing i was told! Also, I just got banned from full contact poker for my post so I am laying off forums for a bit. Thanks for your support.
     
  22. Mar 25, 2005
  23. paul02085

    paul02085 Senior Member

    Occupation:
    Fishing :)
    Location:
    USA
    Why would they ban you at Full Contact Poker?

    Isnt that Daniel Negraneau's site?
     
  24. Mar 25, 2005
  25. Casinomeister

    Casinomeister Forum Cheermeister Staff Member

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    I hate it when places ban players that join forums like this and voice their dissent. CasinoKim feels ripped off with nowhere to go. I wouldn't worry about it since you have a legitimate gripe. The unfortunate thing is that these guys are located in Costa Rica where most of the "clip joints" are located. Very, very, few legitimate businesses are "licensed" there. I could number them on two hands. And most of these enterprises chose to be located there because it was easy, and they didn't know any better.

    Info on POKERHOST.COM - For the record:

    Registrant:
    Innovative Systems Inc.
    Saret Free Zone
    Alajuela, Alajuela 4002
    CR
    5064404800

    Domain Name: POKERHOST.COM

    Administrative Contact:
    Alvarez, Manfred
    Saret Free Zone
    Alajuela, Alajuela 4002
    CR
    5064404800

    Technical Contact:
    Alvarez, Manfred
    Saret Free Zone
    Alajuela, Alajuela 4002
    CR
    5064404800

    Record last updated 07-17-2002 09:20:43 AM
    Record expires on 02-12-2006
    Record created on 02-12-2002

    Domain servers in listed order:
    NS1.INOVASYS.NET 66.165.166.133
    NS2.INOVASYS.NET 216.82.119.3

    pokerhost.com = 216.82.119.31

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    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    This gives you an indication of what other sites are connected to Pokerhost.com so you (second person plural) can join them or avoid them - whatever.

    When you joined the tournament, were you notified beforehand that you may be ineligible for a second place win? Did they have this stated in their T&Cs? If you don't want to post, feel free to PM or email me. Thanks!
     
    Last edited: Mar 25, 2005
  26. Mar 25, 2005
  27. CasinoKim

    CasinoKim Dormant account

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    Yes it is his site. I posted my origional thread there, I logged back in 2 days later to read the replys and got a message to contact admisistraion about my account because I was banned. :confused:
     
  28. Mar 25, 2005
  29. CasinoKim

    CasinoKim Dormant account

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    No There was no indication messages etc that I would not be getting my money. I urge you to please please read this link. There is more information on this link than I could possibly write in this posting.

    You must register/login in order to see the link.
     
  30. Mar 25, 2005
  31. Casinomeister

    Casinomeister Forum Cheermeister Staff Member

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    Well, you won't get banned here unless you are a fraudster or if call me naughty names :D
     
  32. Mar 25, 2005
  33. paul02085

    paul02085 Senior Member

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    I would post this at The Prescription and mention the sportsbook pokeraddict referred to earlier.
     
  34. Mar 25, 2005
  35. Casinomeister

    Casinomeister Forum Cheermeister Staff Member

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    You must register/login in order to see the link. is a members only site :(
     
  36. Mar 25, 2005
  37. CasinoKim

    CasinoKim Dormant account

    Occupation:
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    And To Top It All Off, Poker Host Is Telling Everyone That I Am Trying To Blackmail The Company By Doing This!!!!!!!!!!!!
     
  38. Mar 25, 2005
  39. peralis

    peralis Dormant account webmeister

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    click.. click and one more click... they are off my sites.. never to return!

    Sorry that you are going through this Kim.
     

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