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Playtech rigged slots?

Discussion in 'Casino Complaints - Non-Bonus Issues' started by thelawnet, Jan 27, 2013.

    Jan 27, 2013
  1. thelawnet

    thelawnet Dormant account

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    I was looking at the game Ocean Princess in free play mode, and observed that it does not play the same as in real mode.

    Specifically, the blank stop between the Turtle and Wild symbols never occurs in free play, but occurs often in real mode.

    Since this game is supposed to be skill-based paying close to 100% with optimum strategy, the effect of this is that the game will in fact pay well over 100% in free play mode, but less than 100% in real play mode.

    Free play mode stops with Wilds:

    Wild Blank RedStar
    Blank Wild Blank

    Real play mode stops with Wilds:

    Turtle Blank Wild
    Wild Blank RedStar
    Blank Wild Blank

    Ugga Bugga, which is the same game with different graphics shows the same:

    Free Play

    Wild Blank BlackMask
    Blank Wild Blank

    Real Play

    Wild Blank BlackMask
    Blank Wild Blank
    Tribesman Blank Wild

    I have verified this on Bet365 and Betfred in both instant and download casinos.
     
    6 people like this.
  2. Jan 27, 2013
  3. Balthazar

    Balthazar The Governor

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    I'm gonna go ahead and blame the help file.
     
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  4. Jan 27, 2013
  5. premiergaming

    premiergaming Banned User - bogus PAB PABnoaccred

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    haha!
     
  6. Jan 27, 2013
  7. mrmark21

    mrmark21 Meister Member

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    That actually made me laugh! :)
     
  8. Jan 27, 2013
  9. Nifty29

    Nifty29 Dormant account

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    Absolutely disgraceful.

    One of my pet hates is misrepresentation of any kind, and this is top shelf scamming.

    Maybe it's time for Playtech casinos to be removed from the accredited list until their other games are investigated.
     
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  10. Jan 27, 2013
  11. Seventh777

    Seventh777 RIP Roy

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    The second case of a rigged game that plays differently in free play to real play, both originate from different software's, and Betfred has/had them both, what are the odds on that? on the thousands of different games out there.
     
  12. Jan 27, 2013
  13. ChopleyIOM

    ChopleyIOM Hearthstone Addict webby

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    Can anyone suggest a fine accredited casino I can play these wonderful games at?

    Preferably one where I might win a Jaguar if I get really lucky.
     
  14. Jan 27, 2013
  15. chuchu59

    chuchu59 gambling addict CAG PABnonaccred

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    Since many players cannot have access to playtech slots it would be great if someone posts screenshots illustrating what the lawnet has said.
     
  16. Jan 27, 2013
  17. Nifty29

    Nifty29 Dormant account

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    Its the weekend, and Bryan is probably spending time with family.

    You've made your point over and over today. We get it.

    Maybe have some respect for your host and give him time to respond?
     
  18. Jan 27, 2013
  19. ChopleyIOM

    ChopleyIOM Hearthstone Addict webby

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    I'm sorry Nifty but my respect has gone. The re-adding (again) of Betfred to the accredited list with that 'explanation' is truly gob-smacking.

    If Bryan or another moderator here wishes to ban me, I will take it on the chin and leave.
     
  20. Jan 27, 2013
  21. Nifty29

    Nifty29 Dormant account

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    If you have no respect for the man and his site, why do you need a mod or Bryan to ban you?

    Just leave.

    The whole "ban me if you like/dare" just smacks of grandstanding and wanting to become some kind of martyr.

    I thought you were above that kind of thing. You're a good guy. You should know that making comments like you have today isn't going to solve the problem....its just going to create more.

    A PM would have been a much better idea. As it stands, you've pretty much dissed the guy in public so your chance of a full hearing might be compromised.

    One question....do we know precisely when the betfred entry was updated?
     
  22. Jan 27, 2013
  23. ChopleyIOM

    ChopleyIOM Hearthstone Addict webby

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    Because I like a lot of the folks and discussion here. A forum is more than just its owner.

    See above.

    It's not a case of grandstanding Nifty. I'm genuinely bothered by how this whole Betfred thing has panned out, I had a huge amount of respect for Bryan and the entire CM site, I really did see him as an honest broker between the players and the casinos. Our first, last, and only line of defence. I name-dropped this site time and time again on my YouTube channel, on other forums I post to, and face to face with my IRL friends - it was my default answer to any question about online casinos.

    'Go to Casinomeister's site, follow the advice there, play only off his accredited list, you won't go wrong.'

    The way this Betfred fiasco has panned out is upsetting to me, it really is. And to see the 'help file explanation' against Betfred's entry on the accredited list (which contradicts even what Betfred themselves said about the game) is just dreadful.

    I gave Bryan the benefit of the doubt over the Jag promotion, despite Betfred's behaviour being farcical IMO. This time, I'm not able to do that.
     
  24. Jan 27, 2013
  25. KasinoKing

    KasinoKing WebMeister & Slotaholic.. CAG MM PABnonaccred webmeister

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    Sorry, I just don't get what you are saying at all, as you seem to be stating "Blank" next to "Wild" each time - you haven't said "Turtle - Wild" once. :confused:
    Can you explain it better, or give screenshots?

    BTW, I believe these are "weighted" games and that each reel position spins independently.

    KK
     
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  26. Jan 27, 2013
  27. Casinomeister

    Casinomeister Forum Cheermeister Staff Member

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    Hi ChopleyIOM,

    As I mentioned with the closing of the Finsoft thread is that there is an ongoing investigation that will be shedding more light on the situation. There is much more than what you know. I would appreciate patience on your part and allow "due process" of a proper investigation be conducted. I stated that I was waiting for the investigation to be completed before moving on with this issue. You are putting the cart before the horse. You don't know what really has happened. You haven't been exchanging emails with the GRA as I have so just chill out.

    You are grandstanding, beating your chest, and being egged on by people who don't have inside knowledge of what has happened here. I never said it was over, so I would caution you on "burning your bridges" so to speak and show a little patience and respect.
     
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  28. Jan 27, 2013
  29. naththo

    naththo Experienced Member

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    I am not sure whether those are rigged. I don't think it is legal for casino to make software rigged. It is illegal so casino cannot do that, there is a hefty fined for the penalty of it. Even some hacker try to rig it while playing at their casino so obviously someone is misusing their casino while being a casino customer user to play on their casino. There is fair chance I can be of certain its the hacker fault for tricking us/fool us. But I am not concluding it yet. So will wait for investigation to be completed and we can become known for what certain result is. Of course we do need some patience to wait for the investigation to be completed. At the moment. We just need a lot more evidence than just few. It takes a while. I do hope they will come up with a good conclusion at the mean time.
     
  30. Jan 27, 2013
  31. mrmark21

    mrmark21 Meister Member

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    I'm looking forward to the conclusion because I for one have honestly been scared off Playtech casinos for now.
     
    Last edited: Jan 27, 2013
  32. Jan 27, 2013
  33. dunover

    dunover Unofficial T&C's Editor Staff Member CAG PABnononaccred PABnonaccred PABinit mm3 webmeister

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    I have avoided Playtech for a while - I have played at about 10 of them, and only made a gain on 2. On MG I have come out on top in about 50% of those I joined. Same with IGT ones. I find the games are too volatile to have any gameplay on if you are a low-roller. Plus, unless you play at the infamous Betfred/Betfair/PP and a couple of others, you are held over a barrel with 4-day pending w/d periods. I must say I have had far better fun playing in 'free mode' there than real money, but that could just be coincidence.
     
  34. Jan 27, 2013
  35. thelawnet

    thelawnet Dormant account

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    UK
    If you fire up the game you will understand better.

    The reels basically consist of

    symbol
    blank
    symbol
    blank

    etc.

    You never get

    symbol
    symbol

    With slots you always can see the stop immediately before and after the one you actually landed on. So if you land on wild, or turtle, or whatever, the stops immediately above and below will be blank. And if you land on blank, you can see the stops immediately above and below the blank.

    Yes these will be weighted, but it doesn't make any difference - the point is that one of the blank stops (no pay) occurs in real play mode but doesn't occur in free play

    You can confirm this easily by playing in free play mode; this:

    Playtech rigged slots?: rigged.jpg,Jan 27, 2013
    position (the one on the second reel, second line)

    does not occur (this screenshot is in real mode - this stop occurs frequently - within half-a-dozen spins - in real play, but never in free play)
     
    Last edited: Jan 27, 2013
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  36. Jan 27, 2013
  37. Richas

    Richas Senior Member

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    It certainly looks like another play game not operating as the real game does and so is a breach of the GRA regulations. Not as bad as a false RTP or improper use of cards or a non random RNG as has been alleged but a breach.

    I want to be patient, I will be patient, I must be patient.
    I want to be patient, I will be patient, I must be patient.

    The GRA, Finsoft and BetFred have the weekend to contend with so we could have expected no news yesterday or today. From a PR perspective surely they will all want to make public statements soon...wont they?

    I hope CM is having a well deserved weekend himself and I'm sure we will hear as soon as is practicable....just a shame I have run out of popcorn. Even an ETA for an update - ie no news until at least noon Monday and then just maybe a CM holding statement ...would help my mantra

    I want to be patient, I will be patient, I must be patient.
     
  38. Jan 27, 2013
  39. KasinoKing

    KasinoKing WebMeister & Slotaholic.. CAG MM PABnonaccred webmeister

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    Yes, I understand all that.
    Maybe I'm being thick (again!), but I still don't get what the issue is. Are you saying:
    a) The reel strips are different between real and fun play mode?
    or
    b) The reel strips are the same in real and fun play mode, but that a certain symbol never lands on a win line?

    e.g. from your first post:
    So the layout is:
    Blank
    Wild
    Blank
    Red Star


    Turtle
    Blank
    Wild
    Blank
    Red Star


    So, apart from you mentioning the turtle in the real-play example, what is different? :confused:

    KK
     

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