Players Database for sale

Linus

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Players Database for sale
Posted by: GamingPros (---.vn.shawcable.net)
Date: July 4, 2006 07:35PM

We currently have a fresh database of approx 215,000 players available for sale.

The database consists of a mixture of online casino, sportsbook & poker players

Data included is Name, address, phone, city, state, zip, country and email

We will not do partial lots, nor break the list in any way.

Total cost for the list is less than .05 per for a total of 9,685 USD

Serious inquiries only

gamingbusiness at gmail dot com

I happened to come across this on another forum.

How common is this? Does anyone know what all info they're selling?

Thanks.
 

winbig

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Just for sh!ts and giggles, I "checked" it out...lol

Hi

The list is quite fresh, as such it is very reliable. Obviously nothing is 100%, but even after an allowance for "dead entries" the bulk is excellent

It was compiled from the majority of the operators here in Costa Rica, periodically the lists come around, from disgruntled employees, etc
 

kwblue

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Maybe this is why I end up getting spam on email accounts that are used only for casino play. I get all sorts of offers from affiliates on nearly all of my casino emails. :(
 

dominique

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Linus said:
I happened to come across this on another forum.

How common is this? Does anyone know what all info they're selling?

Thanks.

This has been going around for some time. I used to get it at various webmaster accounts.

I haven't checked it out, but that fact alone tells me it's a fraudulent list.

Most of the ones that are offered by email are just that - a scam.

I haven't gotten upset about it, scammers scamming spammers...... :rolleyes:
 

TheBloke

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Even if this one is fake, there are certainly real lists being sold all the time.

The huge bulk of casino spam we all receive is testament to that fact.
 

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TheBloke said:
Even if this one is fake, there are certainly real lists being sold all the time.

The huge bulk of casino spam we all receive is testament to that fact.

Real lists are mostly sold from casino to casino, and never through email. I have heard of exchanges, and I have heard of some really expensive ones being sold. The only casinos I have ever heard this about were Costa Rican.

If you get it in the mail, it is either plain fraud or a list that is ten years old and useless.
 

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dominique said:
Real lists are mostly sold from casino to casino, and never through email. I have heard of exchanges, and I have heard of some really expensive ones being sold. The only casinos I have ever heard this about were Costa Rican.

If you get it in the mail, it is either plain fraud or a list that is ten years old and useless.

I don't follow why a casino would want to officially sell their player data to another casino? Surely they would only want to pass on their crappy users, in which case the other casino wouldn't be that interested.

I had always assumed these lists were simply stolen by employees.

As I've mentioned in another thread, I have a friend who received casino spam to an email address he had only used at Golden Palace. We therefore assumed an employee was selling their data.

I have never signed up to a Costa Rican casino and never even to an RTG, but I get a lot of these. Someone at a reputable casino(s) is passing on my data, so I have to assume it must be crooked employees.
 

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All it takes is your signing into some site one time, signing up for a contest someplace, many websites that take email addresses do so only to sell them.

My guess would be that mailing lists from actual casinos are very rare. And yes, there would be some from disgruntled employees. Casino employees are usually paid quite badly, depending on where they are located.

Still, such a list would fetch a lot of money if sold to only one place. If sold around, it would end up making the guy a lot less money.

Casinos going broke usually sell their lists to other casinos. Same for affiliate programs going broke.

Addresses on public servers like yahoo etc etc are also harvested by robots. If you own a website, people try to harvest your address. It's a jungle out there.
 

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Casino employees are usually paid quite badly, depending on where they are located.

I don't know about anywhere else, but this is most DEFINATELY NOT the case here on The Rock.

Indeed with so many gaming companies competing for staff, it has if anything pushed the average salaries up. After completing 5 months training, customer service agents can expect to be on around an average of 17k ( Pound Sterling ) per annum starting salary. Indeed some Casinos operating here in Gibraltar offer upwards of 20k+ ( Pound Sterling ) for just entry level customer service staff.

Then there are also promotion opportunities, inhouse and outsourced training.

In addition all gaming companies run very attractive bonus schemes ( No wagering requirements attached :D ), based on annual profits or/and personal performance. These can range from anything from 10% of your annual salary to upwards of 30% or more.

Staff at the likes of Party, 888Holdings etc who have subsequently floated on the LSE, also benefit from attractive share option schemes. Other perks such as pension plans, health care schemes are pretty much the norm, across all of the gaming companies operating out of Gibraltar.
 
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winbig

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All of which will be cut in about half (except for the casinos not allowing USA already) once (if) online gambling is made illegal in the states.
 

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winbig said:
All of which will be cut in about half (except for the casinos not allowing USA already) once (if) online gambling is made illegal in the states.

I doubt it very much. Casinos are learning not to rely on US Traffic and are targetting other markets as a result. Case in point Ladbrokes eGaming. They have never accepted US Players, but their playerbase, turnover and profit margin has increased year on year since 1999.
 

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Webzcas said:
I doubt it very much. Casinos are learning not to rely on US Traffic and are targetting other markets as a result. Case in point Ladbrokes eGaming. They have never accepted US Players, but their playerbase, turnover and profit margin has increased year on year since 1999.

That is true, but I guess I should have elaborated further...


The publicly traded/B&M based online casinos will definately continue to thrive, but the industry will still take a good size hit by not allowing USA players anymore.

All these small operations will die out for the most part, and leave "the best of the best" to battle it out.

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