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Discussion in 'Online Casinos' started by Linus, Jul 11, 2006.

    Jul 11, 2006
  1. Linus

    Linus Dormant account

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    I happened to come across this on another forum.

    How common is this? Does anyone know what all info they're selling?

    Thanks.
     
  2. Jul 14, 2006
  3. winbig

    winbig Keep winning this amount. webby PABnononaccred

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    Just for sh!ts and giggles, I "checked" it out...lol

     
  4. Jul 14, 2006
  5. kwblue

    kwblue Webmaster webmeister

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    Maybe this is why I end up getting spam on email accounts that are used only for casino play. I get all sorts of offers from affiliates on nearly all of my casino emails. :(
     
  6. Jul 14, 2006
  7. dominique

    dominique Dormant account

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    This has been going around for some time. I used to get it at various webmaster accounts.

    I haven't checked it out, but that fact alone tells me it's a fraudulent list.

    Most of the ones that are offered by email are just that - a scam.

    I haven't gotten upset about it, scammers scamming spammers...... :rolleyes:
     
  8. Jul 14, 2006
  9. TheBloke

    TheBloke Dormant account

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    Even if this one is fake, there are certainly real lists being sold all the time.

    The huge bulk of casino spam we all receive is testament to that fact.
     
  10. Jul 15, 2006
  11. dominique

    dominique Dormant account

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    Real lists are mostly sold from casino to casino, and never through email. I have heard of exchanges, and I have heard of some really expensive ones being sold. The only casinos I have ever heard this about were Costa Rican.

    If you get it in the mail, it is either plain fraud or a list that is ten years old and useless.
     
  12. Jul 15, 2006
  13. TheBloke

    TheBloke Dormant account

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    I don't follow why a casino would want to officially sell their player data to another casino? Surely they would only want to pass on their crappy users, in which case the other casino wouldn't be that interested.

    I had always assumed these lists were simply stolen by employees.

    As I've mentioned in another thread, I have a friend who received casino spam to an email address he had only used at Golden Palace. We therefore assumed an employee was selling their data.

    I have never signed up to a Costa Rican casino and never even to an RTG, but I get a lot of these. Someone at a reputable casino(s) is passing on my data, so I have to assume it must be crooked employees.
     
  14. Jul 15, 2006
  15. dominique

    dominique Dormant account

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    All it takes is your signing into some site one time, signing up for a contest someplace, many websites that take email addresses do so only to sell them.

    My guess would be that mailing lists from actual casinos are very rare. And yes, there would be some from disgruntled employees. Casino employees are usually paid quite badly, depending on where they are located.

    Still, such a list would fetch a lot of money if sold to only one place. If sold around, it would end up making the guy a lot less money.

    Casinos going broke usually sell their lists to other casinos. Same for affiliate programs going broke.

    Addresses on public servers like yahoo etc etc are also harvested by robots. If you own a website, people try to harvest your address. It's a jungle out there.
     
  16. Jul 15, 2006
  17. Webzcas

    Webzcas Winter is Coming! Staff Member

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    I don't know about anywhere else, but this is most DEFINATELY NOT the case here on The Rock.

    Indeed with so many gaming companies competing for staff, it has if anything pushed the average salaries up. After completing 5 months training, customer service agents can expect to be on around an average of 17k ( Pound Sterling ) per annum starting salary. Indeed some Casinos operating here in Gibraltar offer upwards of 20k+ ( Pound Sterling ) for just entry level customer service staff.

    Then there are also promotion opportunities, inhouse and outsourced training.

    In addition all gaming companies run very attractive bonus schemes ( No wagering requirements attached :D ), based on annual profits or/and personal performance. These can range from anything from 10% of your annual salary to upwards of 30% or more.

    Staff at the likes of Party, 888Holdings etc who have subsequently floated on the LSE, also benefit from attractive share option schemes. Other perks such as pension plans, health care schemes are pretty much the norm, across all of the gaming companies operating out of Gibraltar.
     
    Last edited: Jul 15, 2006
  18. Jul 15, 2006
  19. winbig

    winbig Keep winning this amount. webby PABnononaccred

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    All of which will be cut in about half (except for the casinos not allowing USA already) once (if) online gambling is made illegal in the states.
     
  20. Jul 15, 2006
  21. Webzcas

    Webzcas Winter is Coming! Staff Member

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    I doubt it very much. Casinos are learning not to rely on US Traffic and are targetting other markets as a result. Case in point Ladbrokes eGaming. They have never accepted US Players, but their playerbase, turnover and profit margin has increased year on year since 1999.
     
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  22. Jul 15, 2006
  23. Webzcas

    Webzcas Winter is Coming! Staff Member

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    I know this is derailing this thread somewhat, but for anyone interested in working in the industry, or just to gauge the salary levels then check out this site below:

    You must register/login in order to see the link.
     
  24. Jul 15, 2006
  25. winbig

    winbig Keep winning this amount. webby PABnononaccred

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    That is true, but I guess I should have elaborated further...


    The publicly traded/B&M based online casinos will definately continue to thrive, but the industry will still take a good size hit by not allowing USA players anymore.

    All these small operations will die out for the most part, and leave "the best of the best" to battle it out.

    :thumbsup:
     

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