Player Privacy alert: OCMA is back up

mary

Dormant account
Probably as a result of the OPA dissolving, The Online Casino Managers Association has been resurrected. This association, founded by the owners of Magic Oasis/Windows casinos Tony Friedman and Avi Goldman, will distribute player information to member casinos.
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From www.onlinecasinomanagersassociation :

The Online Casino Managers Association is the first organized forum of online casino operators, owners and managers. The purpose of the organizaiton is to battle player fraud through shared information as well as to educate its members about dishonest and fraudulent practicies in order to make online casinos a better places for honest gamblers.

Every month hundreds of thousands of dollars are lost by online casinos as the result of player fraud. The most common scams are credit card based tricks. Scammers wonder from one online casino to another in search of free money. Once their tricks are dedected they move on to defraud another casino.

Together by sharing information we can reduce fraud and stop the con artists!

This organization was founded by several casino managers in 2000 to stop the wave of online casino fraud. Any casino manager, owner or pit boss can be a member. Membership is FREE.

MEMBERS HAVE THE FOLLOWING PRIVILIGES:

Access to casino cheaters' list
Access to the names of notorious chargebackers
Access to the list of online casino frauds/scams
Access to our regular online discussions


Our web site and our organization are supported by the advertising revenue. If your organization sells products and services targeted to casino owners, find out more about advertising here.

Click here to become a member! MEMBERSHIP IS FREE.

This was the list of members they had when they closed:

Gold Key Casino 12-06-2000 Steve Kalamar
Tony Friedman
Casino World 12-10-2000 Adrian Beamond
Gambling Guide 12-11-2000 Jennifer
Casino Domain 12-11-2000 George Lindgren
crown city casino 12-11-2000 Brian Geddes
Monte Casino 12-11-2000 henry etrillard
12-11-2000 Jonas Alm
2BetOn.com 12-11-2000 Gary Thompson
iNetBet 12-11-2000 Gary Thompson
williamhillcasino 12-11-2000 edwin gray
DIAMOND COAST CASINO 12-11-2000 THOMAS KRUTZA
Global Wager 12-11-2000 enrico
Roman Palace Casino 12-11-2000 Larry Colcy
The Casino Online 12-11-2000 Larry Thom
Lucky Winner Casino 12-11-2000 Paul Stevens
MGM Casino Club 12-11-2000 Tammy Burdeyney
I-casino 12-11-2000 Randy (Zorro)
the shore bet 12-11-2000 anthony gagliardi
Casino Gambling Network 12-11-2000 Louis J. Fabiano
Spades Casino & Sports Book 12-11-2000 Scott
Casino On Air 12-12-2000 Michael
Casino Bar 12-12-2000 Michael
Java Casino 12-12-2000 Michael
AchlaCasino 12-12-2000 Michael
mgm casino club 12-12-2000 mickey mclennan
MGM Casino Club 12-12-2000 Mickey McLennan
Casino Spy 12-12-2000 Tim
Vegas Casino Online 12-12-2000 Phil Ferreira
12-12-2000 Ray
CASINO NORDIC 12-12-2000 Tor-Arne L. Jensen
Go2Jackpots 12-13-2000 Greg Maliniemi
Royale Casino 12-13-2000 Bill Strauss
Casino Gambler Network 12-13-2000 Rick Prill
Arcade Casino & Sportsbook 12-14-2000 Mike
WorldwideVegas.com 12-14-2000 Greg
12-14-2000 Larry Brown
Golden Bets Casino & Sportsboo 12-15-2000 Frank Smith
Cabanacasino.com 12-15-2000 Jose Martinez
Beehive Casino 12-16-2000 Alexander Merkushev
Cyber Casino New Zealand 12-16-2000 Chris Bright
Casino Bar 12-17-2000 Jonathan
The Wild West Forntier Casino 12-19-2000 John Simpson
Guide to Online Casinos 12-19-2000 Oliver
LuckyRound Casino 12-20-2000 Mark Shines
Online Casino Treasure 12-20-2000 Sven Oberlaender
Roman Casino 12-24-2000 Andrea C. West
Dunes Sports Casino 01-08-2001 Max B
Pinnace Group 01-08-2001 Joseph Edwards
NASA Casino International 01-11-2001 Aaron Moishe
the online casino and sportsbo 01-23-2001 steve savage
The Casino Online 01-23-2001 Daniel Rogers
The Vegas Strip Casinos & Spor 01-24-2001 Rachel Anders
RTG 01-24-2001 Diane Foster
Butterfly Casino 01-24-2001 Michael Taggart
Casinos of the World 01-30-2001 Martin Street
Virtual Island Casino 02-02-2001 Christine Drolet
Casino4Cash, SierraCasino, Cas 02-06-2001 Donnie Pedlar
Oddz.com Sportsbook 02-07-2001 Grant Decker
Onlinesportsbook.com 02-08-2001 Jennifer
Casino Extreme 02-13-2001 Andrew
Virtual Island Casino 02-14-2001 Christine Drolet
Netgaming 02-14-2001 Nathalie
NetClubCasino.com 02-20-2001 Philip Kennedy
VIP 02-27-2001 Julia Boedha
Fairplay Casino 03-02-2001 John
Gamblelinks 03-07-2001 NATHAN COFFEY
Red Planet Casino 03-07-2001 Richard
Caribbean Cyber Online Casino 03-07-2001 Christine
zoogi 03-19-2001 abuse
OuterSpaceCasino 03-26-2001 John Devlin
InstaCasino 03-28-2001 Harvey
Wireless Winnings 03-31-2001 Brad Schuler
The Crapshooter 04-01-2001 Larry Edell
Gamblers Paradise 04-05-2001 Natalie Redman
Aspinalls.com 05-09-2001 Julie Waddingham
Magic Oasis 05-09-2001 Robert Miller
Betworldwide / Playersbet 05-09-2001 Laurent Mitchel
n/a 05-11-2001 concretebush
 

tdubnik

Dormant account
I have just read through the privacy statements at both Firepay and Paypal. In both, it seems to imply that merchants sharing any personal information about Firepay or Paypal account information would be in violation of the merchant agreement. I have sent a query to Firepay in an attempt to verify this. If this is true and the OCMA is posting or sharing this information they would be in violation of their merchant agreement.

Once I hear back, I will post the response. If it is as I suspect we should complain to Firepay and Paypal and perhaps get their merchant accounts revoked.
 

jetset

RIP Brian
CAG
Very good point. Tony, do us a favour and post this at WOL too - the more people know about ALL the ramifications of this OCMA crap, the better.
 

Casinomeister

Forum Cheermeister
Staff member
As posted in my "Casinomeister Warnings" section, I've updated our rogue section to include an updated bit about the OCMA http://www.casinomeister.com/rogue/
and also a link to http://www.casinomeister.com/ocma.html which lists all of the member casino/portals active URLs and contact email addresses. I've also included a form letter to assist those wishing to contact member casinos. Also posted is my acknowledgment of my membership application (c'mon, gimme 'dem CC numbers!) from egamingcommission.com!

Should I hold my breath? :eek:

~b
 

jetset

RIP Brian
CAG
Whut???! egamingcommission are part of this OCMA thing? They should ashamed of themselves as they claim they protect the player.

If enough people use Bryan's facility here to email their protests to the casinos involved (yes, and egamingcommission as well!) these charlatans will have no option but to back off.
 

mary

Dormant account
egamingcommission has always been a joke. Look at this domain registration (server is a porno server)

System Administrator (template COCO-95259)
egamingmail@yahoo.com
Postafiok 203
Budapest, - 1364 Hungary

Domain Name: egamingcommission.com
Status: auto-renewed

Admin Contact, Technical Contact, Zone Contact:
System Administrator (COCO-95259) egamingmail@yahoo.com
+1 000-0000 (FAX) +1 000-0000

CORE Registrar: CORE-28

Record last modified: 2002-01-15 00:22:56 UTC by CORE-28
Record created: 2000-01-08 00:16:20 UTC by CORE-28
Record expires: 2006-01-07 17:28:12 UTC

Domain servers in listed order:

ns.drothalo.com
ns.qwerty.hu
 

jetset

RIP Brian
CAG
I have scant regard for them, but I did not think they would be as low as porno servers and association with the OCMA. Perhaps we'll give 'em a little airtime too!
 
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gumdropz

Guest
If this is going to be the attitude of some of the casinos, they are going to find themselves in dire straits with some of the regulars. I dont even think these people are aware of what they are doing. Some way to run a business.

_____________________________________
hello Steph,

The names of people that are passed around are usually blacklisted players right?

If that is true i have no problem passing along criminals records, if youre talking about sales lists of known gamblers that i think is wrong , but to warn someone of scammers and ripoff artists and hackers is a must in my book. We are here to provide entertainment to our customers and if someone comes into my casino hacking away or finds some way to cheat it then it can become hard to pay all the people who won honestly. So, if were talking about something other than blacklisted players I might be inclined to remove myself as you suggest.
----- Original Message -----
From: Stephanie
To: enrico@globalwager.com
Sent: Wednesday, January 16, 2002 10:01 PM
Subject: Re: OCMA


Because what they are doing is illegal. You simply cannot pass player information back and forth like trading cards. This is information which is protected by law in most countries. Any casino that does not wish to be boycotted by the majority of online gamblers will be very careful in dealing with this organization.
----- Original Message -----
From: enrico@globalwager.com
To: Stephanie
Sent: Wednesday, January 16, 2002 1:28 PM
Subject: Re: OCMA


Why do you want me to withdraw . I dont understand explain your views more clearly, why are certain people being targeted and not others?
----- Original Message -----
From: Stephanie
To: feedback@williamhillcasino.com ; manager@diamondcoastcasino.com ; enrico@globalwagers.net ; manager@romanpalace.com ; support@TheCasinoOnline.com ; pitboss@mgmclubcasino.com ; manager@i-casino.com ; support@theshorebet.com ; webmaster@casino-gambling-network.com ; manager@cybersportsbook.com ; service@casinoonair.com ; service@CasinoBar.com ; manager@vegascasinoonline.com ; support@royalecasino.com ; support@WorldwideVegas.com
Sent: Tuesday, January 15, 2002 10:01 PM
Subject: OCMA


Dear Casino:

Were you aware that the Online Casino Managers Association has you listed as one of their members? http://www.onlinecasinomanagersassociation.org

The OCMA claims that casino members are able to share privileged information amongst each other such as players' names, addresses, email addresses, phone numbers, IP addresses, and most alarming -- credit card numbers. This is in violation of most privacy policies that online casinos adhere to, and I'm sure you can understand why I am alarmed. Would you please consider withdrawing your membership from the OCMA? The entire online gaming community would thank you for it.

Sincerely,


Stephanie J. ******
 

mary

Dormant account
Good freakin' grief.

"So, ah, if another casino says somebody is a bad guy, it's ok. Nevermind posted casino policy, or our agreements with our credit card processors, we are nice people so everybody else running an online casino must be nice, too, right?"
 

mary

Dormant account
www.globalwager.com has no statement about player privacy on their site.

Well, I guess that explains that!
 

jetset

RIP Brian
CAG
This is astonishing - Enrico has apparently no idea of what clients are entitled to in the way of privacy or of the dangers of abuse.

He can't be that naive and the alternative is that he is a knowing and willing participant whose motives are suspect. I would avoid Global Wager like the plague on the basis of a response such as this.
 
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gumdropz

Guest
Well, this one I found particularly interesting!!!

Dear Stephanie,

Thank you for your email.

williamhillcasino.com are not members of the OCMA and have no intention of ever becoming members in the future. The last time the OCMA were in existence they also had williamhillcasino.com illegaly listed. We commenced legal action against them at the time but they ceased operating and therefore further action became unnecessary. If the OCMA do not remove our name from their list of members we will recommence this action.


With regards,

Edwin Gray
William Hill Casino
William Hill Organization
egray@williamhillcasino.com
 

feefeelafoo

Dormant account
Okay,

Anybody wanna start wagering how long the OCMA website is going to stay "live"? $50 bucks says they'll be down by monday

fee fee
 

Casinomeister

Forum Cheermeister
Staff member
I have a sneaky feeling that some of the casinos listed have no idea that they are there.

By the way, I discus this on my current show at http://www.casinogazette.com

Check it out!

~b
 
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