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Player Privacy alert: OCMA is back up

Discussion in 'Online Casinos' started by mary, Jan 12, 2002.

  1. mary

    mary Dormant account

    Probably as a result of the OPA dissolving, The Online Casino Managers Association has been resurrected. This association, founded by the owners of Magic Oasis/Windows casinos Tony Friedman and Avi Goldman, will distribute player information to member casinos.
    They also sell blackjackcardcounting software for use online:

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    Archived threads about the OCMA:
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    From www.onlinecasinomanagersassociation :

    The Online Casino Managers Association is the first organized forum of online casino operators, owners and managers. The purpose of the organizaiton is to battle player fraud through shared information as well as to educate its members about dishonest and fraudulent practicies in order to make online casinos a better places for honest gamblers.

    Every month hundreds of thousands of dollars are lost by online casinos as the result of player fraud. The most common scams are credit card based tricks. Scammers wonder from one online casino to another in search of free money. Once their tricks are dedected they move on to defraud another casino.

    Together by sharing information we can reduce fraud and stop the con artists!

    This organization was founded by several casino managers in 2000 to stop the wave of online casino fraud. Any casino manager, owner or pit boss can be a member. Membership is FREE.

    MEMBERS HAVE THE FOLLOWING PRIVILIGES:

    Access to casino cheaters' list
    Access to the names of notorious chargebackers
    Access to the list of online casino frauds/scams
    Access to our regular online discussions


    Our web site and our organization are supported by the advertising revenue. If your organization sells products and services targeted to casino owners, find out more about advertising here.

    Click here to become a member! MEMBERSHIP IS FREE.

    This was the list of members they had when they closed:

    Gold Key Casino 12-06-2000 Steve Kalamar
    Tony Friedman
    Casino World 12-10-2000 Adrian Beamond
    Gambling Guide 12-11-2000 Jennifer
    Casino Domain 12-11-2000 George Lindgren
    crown city casino 12-11-2000 Brian Geddes
    Monte Casino 12-11-2000 henry etrillard
    12-11-2000 Jonas Alm
    2BetOn.com 12-11-2000 Gary Thompson
    iNetBet 12-11-2000 Gary Thompson
    williamhillcasino 12-11-2000 edwin gray
    DIAMOND COAST CASINO 12-11-2000 THOMAS KRUTZA
    Global Wager 12-11-2000 enrico
    Roman Palace Casino 12-11-2000 Larry Colcy
    The Casino Online 12-11-2000 Larry Thom
    Lucky Winner Casino 12-11-2000 Paul Stevens
    MGM Casino Club 12-11-2000 Tammy Burdeyney
    I-casino 12-11-2000 Randy (Zorro)
    the shore bet 12-11-2000 anthony gagliardi
    Casino Gambling Network 12-11-2000 Louis J. Fabiano
    Spades Casino & Sports Book 12-11-2000 Scott
    Casino On Air 12-12-2000 Michael
    Casino Bar 12-12-2000 Michael
    Java Casino 12-12-2000 Michael
    AchlaCasino 12-12-2000 Michael
    mgm casino club 12-12-2000 mickey mclennan
    MGM Casino Club 12-12-2000 Mickey McLennan
    Casino Spy 12-12-2000 Tim
    Vegas Casino Online 12-12-2000 Phil Ferreira
    12-12-2000 Ray
    CASINO NORDIC 12-12-2000 Tor-Arne L. Jensen
    Go2Jackpots 12-13-2000 Greg Maliniemi
    Royale Casino 12-13-2000 Bill Strauss
    Casino Gambler Network 12-13-2000 Rick Prill
    Arcade Casino & Sportsbook 12-14-2000 Mike
    WorldwideVegas.com 12-14-2000 Greg
    12-14-2000 Larry Brown
    Golden Bets Casino & Sportsboo 12-15-2000 Frank Smith
    Cabanacasino.com 12-15-2000 Jose Martinez
    Beehive Casino 12-16-2000 Alexander Merkushev
    Cyber Casino New Zealand 12-16-2000 Chris Bright
    Casino Bar 12-17-2000 Jonathan
    The Wild West Forntier Casino 12-19-2000 John Simpson
    Guide to Online Casinos 12-19-2000 Oliver
    LuckyRound Casino 12-20-2000 Mark Shines
    Online Casino Treasure 12-20-2000 Sven Oberlaender
    Roman Casino 12-24-2000 Andrea C. West
    Dunes Sports Casino 01-08-2001 Max B
    Pinnace Group 01-08-2001 Joseph Edwards
    NASA Casino International 01-11-2001 Aaron Moishe
    the online casino and sportsbo 01-23-2001 steve savage
    The Casino Online 01-23-2001 Daniel Rogers
    The Vegas Strip Casinos & Spor 01-24-2001 Rachel Anders
    RTG 01-24-2001 Diane Foster
    Butterfly Casino 01-24-2001 Michael Taggart
    Casinos of the World 01-30-2001 Martin Street
    Virtual Island Casino 02-02-2001 Christine Drolet
    Casino4Cash, SierraCasino, Cas 02-06-2001 Donnie Pedlar
    Oddz.com Sportsbook 02-07-2001 Grant Decker
    Onlinesportsbook.com 02-08-2001 Jennifer
    Casino Extreme 02-13-2001 Andrew
    Virtual Island Casino 02-14-2001 Christine Drolet
    Netgaming 02-14-2001 Nathalie
    NetClubCasino.com 02-20-2001 Philip Kennedy
    VIP 02-27-2001 Julia Boedha
    Fairplay Casino 03-02-2001 John
    Gamblelinks 03-07-2001 NATHAN COFFEY
    Red Planet Casino 03-07-2001 Richard
    Caribbean Cyber Online Casino 03-07-2001 Christine
    zoogi 03-19-2001 abuse
    OuterSpaceCasino 03-26-2001 John Devlin
    InstaCasino 03-28-2001 Harvey
    Wireless Winnings 03-31-2001 Brad Schuler
    The Crapshooter 04-01-2001 Larry Edell
    Gamblers Paradise 04-05-2001 Natalie Redman
    Aspinalls.com 05-09-2001 Julie Waddingham
    Magic Oasis 05-09-2001 Robert Miller
    Betworldwide / Playersbet 05-09-2001 Laurent Mitchel
    n/a 05-11-2001 concretebush
     
  2. tdubnik

    tdubnik Dormant account

    I have just read through the privacy statements at both Firepay and Paypal. In both, it seems to imply that merchants sharing any personal information about Firepay or Paypal account information would be in violation of the merchant agreement. I have sent a query to Firepay in an attempt to verify this. If this is true and the OCMA is posting or sharing this information they would be in violation of their merchant agreement.

    Once I hear back, I will post the response. If it is as I suspect we should complain to Firepay and Paypal and perhaps get their merchant accounts revoked.
     
  3. jetset

    jetset Ueber Meister CAG

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    Very good point. Tony, do us a favour and post this at WOL too - the more people know about ALL the ramifications of this OCMA crap, the better.
     
  4. Casinomeister

    Casinomeister Forum Cheermeister Staff Member

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    As posted in my "Casinomeister Warnings" section, I've updated our rogue section to include an updated bit about the OCMA http://www.casinomeister.com/rogue/
    and also a link to http://www.casinomeister.com/ocma.html which lists all of the member casino/portals active URLs and contact email addresses. I've also included a form letter to assist those wishing to contact member casinos. Also posted is my acknowledgment of my membership application (c'mon, gimme 'dem CC numbers!) from egamingcommission.com!

    Should I hold my breath? :eek:

    ~b
     
  5. jetset

    jetset Ueber Meister CAG

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    Whut???! egamingcommission are part of this OCMA thing? They should ashamed of themselves as they claim they protect the player.

    If enough people use Bryan's facility here to email their protests to the casinos involved (yes, and egamingcommission as well!) these charlatans will have no option but to back off.
     
  6. mary

    mary Dormant account

    egamingcommission has always been a joke. Look at this domain registration (server is a porno server)

    System Administrator (template COCO-95259)
    This email is not visible to you.
    Postafiok 203
    Budapest, - 1364 Hungary

    Domain Name: egamingcommission.com
    Status: auto-renewed

    Admin Contact, Technical Contact, Zone Contact:
    System Administrator (COCO-95259) This email is not visible to you.
    +1 000-0000 (FAX) +1 000-0000

    CORE Registrar: CORE-28

    Record last modified: 2002-01-15 00:22:56 UTC by CORE-28
    Record created: 2000-01-08 00:16:20 UTC by CORE-28
    Record expires: 2006-01-07 17:28:12 UTC

    Domain servers in listed order:

    ns.drothalo.com
    ns.qwerty.hu
     
  7. jetset

    jetset Ueber Meister CAG

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    I have scant regard for them, but I did not think they would be as low as porno servers and association with the OCMA. Perhaps we'll give 'em a little airtime too!
     
  8. mary

    mary Dormant account

    Look up the servers in Detectives; they have casinos on them too.
     
  9. gumdropz

    gumdropz Guest

    If this is going to be the attitude of some of the casinos, they are going to find themselves in dire straits with some of the regulars. I dont even think these people are aware of what they are doing. Some way to run a business.

    _____________________________________
    hello Steph,

    The names of people that are passed around are usually blacklisted players right?

    If that is true i have no problem passing along criminals records, if youre talking about sales lists of known gamblers that i think is wrong , but to warn someone of scammers and ripoff artists and hackers is a must in my book. We are here to provide entertainment to our customers and if someone comes into my casino hacking away or finds some way to cheat it then it can become hard to pay all the people who won honestly. So, if were talking about something other than blacklisted players I might be inclined to remove myself as you suggest.
    ----- Original Message -----
    From: Stephanie
    To: enrico@globalwager.com
    Sent: Wednesday, January 16, 2002 10:01 PM
    Subject: Re: OCMA


    Because what they are doing is illegal. You simply cannot pass player information back and forth like trading cards. This is information which is protected by law in most countries. Any casino that does not wish to be boycotted by the majority of online gamblers will be very careful in dealing with this organization.
    ----- Original Message -----
    From: enrico@globalwager.com
    To: Stephanie
    Sent: Wednesday, January 16, 2002 1:28 PM
    Subject: Re: OCMA


    Why do you want me to withdraw . I dont understand explain your views more clearly, why are certain people being targeted and not others?
    ----- Original Message -----
    From: Stephanie
    To: feedback@williamhillcasino.com ; manager@diamondcoastcasino.com ; enrico@globalwagers.net ; manager@romanpalace.com ; support@TheCasinoOnline.com ; pitboss@mgmclubcasino.com ; manager@i-casino.com ; support@theshorebet.com ; webmaster@casino-gambling-network.com ; manager@cybersportsbook.com ; service@casinoonair.com ; service@CasinoBar.com ; manager@vegascasinoonline.com ; support@royalecasino.com ; support@WorldwideVegas.com
    Sent: Tuesday, January 15, 2002 10:01 PM
    Subject: OCMA


    Dear Casino:

    Were you aware that the Online Casino Managers Association has you listed as one of their members? http://www.onlinecasinomanagersassociation.org

    The OCMA claims that casino members are able to share privileged information amongst each other such as players' names, addresses, email addresses, phone numbers, IP addresses, and most alarming -- credit card numbers. This is in violation of most privacy policies that online casinos adhere to, and I'm sure you can understand why I am alarmed. Would you please consider withdrawing your membership from the OCMA? The entire online gaming community would thank you for it.

    Sincerely,


    Stephanie J. ******
     
  10. mary

    mary Dormant account

    Good freakin' grief.

    "So, ah, if another casino says somebody is a bad guy, it's ok. Nevermind posted casino policy, or our agreements with our credit card processors, we are nice people so everybody else running an online casino must be nice, too, right?"
     
  11. mary

    mary Dormant account

    www.globalwager.com has no statement about player privacy on their site.

    Well, I guess that explains that!
     
  12. jetset

    jetset Ueber Meister CAG

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    This is astonishing - Enrico has apparently no idea of what clients are entitled to in the way of privacy or of the dangers of abuse.

    He can't be that naive and the alternative is that he is a knowing and willing participant whose motives are suspect. I would avoid Global Wager like the plague on the basis of a response such as this.
     
  13. gumdropz

    gumdropz Guest

    Well, this one I found particularly interesting!!!

    Dear Stephanie,

    Thank you for your email.

    williamhillcasino.com are not members of the OCMA and have no intention of ever becoming members in the future. The last time the OCMA were in existence they also had williamhillcasino.com illegaly listed. We commenced legal action against them at the time but they ceased operating and therefore further action became unnecessary. If the OCMA do not remove our name from their list of members we will recommence this action.


    With regards,

    Edwin Gray
    William Hill Casino
    William Hill Organization
    This email is not visible to you.
     
  14. feefeelafoo

    feefeelafoo Dormant account

    Okay,

    Anybody wanna start wagering how long the OCMA website is going to stay "live"? $50 bucks says they'll be down by monday

    fee fee
     
  15. Casinomeister

    Casinomeister Forum Cheermeister Staff Member

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    I have a sneaky feeling that some of the casinos listed have no idea that they are there.

    By the way, I discus this on my current show at http://www.casinogazette.com

    Check it out!

    ~b
     

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