Player alleges he spent £43k at Ladbrokes, no checks. Then sabotaged thread.

colinsunderland

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Well looks like the OP is a sad little troll, seeing as he's deleted all his posts after being proven wrong, again.

Lucky he can't delete the quoted posts

@Casinomeister @maxd OP clearly a troll.
 

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Well either way you put it, surely at 10k it should of been blocked & a telephone call they know on the system so it's pretty easy.
 

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Well either way you put it, surely at 10k it should of been blocked & a telephone call they know on the system so it's pretty easy.
In the middle of the night?
Where do you get the information that theres usually a £10k threshold for SoW checks? I know one casino group that have that limit, I know many more who don't. For AML reasons there shouldn't be thresholds, it should be based on risk, and risk alone.
 

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Wouldnt checks like these be automated?
System notices 10k deposit, blocks second 10k deposit awaiting affordability check kind of thing.
Must be a pretty small % of their customers making those kind of deposits, its even slightly higher than my outrageous deposits.

Or is it just Tom&Bob sitting down and looking over the deposits each day to see if any action needs to be taken anywhere?
Actually that would kind of explain the sow checks from some sites (casumo?)
 

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I always like to look at things that don’t involve me personally with as little bias as possible, keep an open mind and see both sides of the story.

Whilst I don’t see the OP’s actions as responsible, that is not what he has asked us to judge. Let him without sin cast the first stone so to speak. Meaning that can all of us honestly say that we have never once acted irresponsibly when gambling? I know, I can’t.

The OP obviously wouldn’t say no to his deposits back and yes that’s probably the ulterior motive but his question is did Ladbrokes act responsibly? Yet nobody has considered that to be the case, instead choosing to blame him for his actions.

Primarily yes, we are all responsible for our own actions but gambling is an addiction, a drug, that is extremely dangerous and we all handle it differently. If you were the Landlord of a pub and a stranger walked in and started drinking Whiskey by the half pints would you just let him carry on until he dropped dead and then blame him or would you intervene?

I also find it quite difficult to believe that online Casinos do not have some kind of “alarm system” that alerts staff to extreme activity or irregularities taking place regarding accounts or an automatic blocker that COULD be enabled once a threshold is breached.

Yes, we have seen similar stories before but do you all think Ladbrokes are totally blameless here? I don’t.
 

aceking123

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In the middle of the night?
Where do you get the information that theres usually a £10k threshold for SoW checks? I know one casino group that have that limit, I know many more who don't. For AML reasons there shouldn't be thresholds, it should be based on risk, and risk alone.
It's automatic Colin any funds above 10k even in banking get flagged & I would be gob smacked that any online casino would not flag it straight away.
I've had many casinos flag me for 2k deposits & call up to check I'm OK with it.
I also suspect it would be under licencing to any given casino.
 

abs321

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It's automatic Colin any funds above 10k even in banking get flagged & I would be gob smacked that any online casino would not flag it straight away.
I've had many casinos flag me for 2k deposits & call up to check I'm OK with it.
I also suspect it would be under licencing to any given casino.
Hey guys I just asked to delete the thread as I just didn’t see the point in posting anymore on this subject.
Let’s just remember Ladbrokes is a massive company that pay thousands of pounds for adverts on prime time television slots about responsible gambling etc.
They should definitely have a system in place and this doesn’t matter if it’s 2am in the morning as the online casino is open 24 hours a day so they will have manpower to deal with this. If you open an account and deposit large amounts the casino normally freezes the account until checks are completed this is normal procedure Ladbrokes is huge let’s remember that.
 

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I always like to look at things that don’t involve me personally with as little bias as possible, keep an open mind and see both sides of the story.

Whilst I don’t see the OP’s actions as responsible, that is not what he has asked us to judge. Let him without sin cast the first stone so to speak. Meaning that can all of us honestly say that we have never once acted irresponsibly when gambling? I know, I can’t.

The OP obviously wouldn’t say no to his deposits back and yes that’s probably the ulterior motive but his question is did Ladbrokes act responsibly? Yet nobody has considered that to be the case, instead choosing to blame him for his actions.

Primarily yes, we are all responsible for our own actions but gambling is an addiction, a drug, that is extremely dangerous and we all handle it differently. If you were the Landlord of a pub and a stranger walked in and started drinking Whiskey by the half pints would you just let him carry on until he dropped dead and then blame him or would you intervene?

I also find it quite difficult to believe that online Casinos do not have some kind of “alarm system” that alerts staff to extreme activity or irregularities taking place regarding accounts or an automatic blocker that COULD be enabled once a threshold is breached.

Yes, we have seen similar stories before but do you all think Ladbrokes are totally blameless here? I don’t.

Could ladbrokes have handled things like this better? Yes.

Could they have a system in place so this doesn't happen? Yes.

Could some small blame be put on them? Don't know. Maybe.

Is it still ultimately the one who deposits that is in charge and the one to ultimately blame for blowing away 43k? Yes.

In a perfect world all casinos would be looking out for players, but that's not the case. Casinos are there to make money. Nothing more, nothing less.

I've blown big chunks of change on casinos while being drunk. Should I now start crying and asking for my deposits back? Fuck no, I have a backbone and I accept responsibility for my actions. That does seem to get rarer by the day though. I'm starting to get why casinos are asking AML and SOW questions aggressively also for very small deposits and withdrawals. They have to because adults are not really adults anymore. We seem to be stagnating as a species, but that's for another topic.
 

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In the middle of the night?
Where do you get the information that theres usually a £10k threshold for SoW checks? I know one casino group that have that limit, I know many more who don't. For AML reasons there shouldn't be thresholds, it should be based on risk, and risk alone.
I asked for my post to be deleted as I just wanted you’re thoughts which I got lol I am definitely not a troll and am a genuine person.
It’s really doesn’t matter if it’s 2am in the morning mate Ladbrokes run a 24 hour online casino so should have the required systems in place. Most genuine casinos would freeze accounts until checks are completed on large deposits normal procedure. You obviously don’t play high stakes Colin so you wouldn’t know.
 

abs321

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Could ladbrokes have handled things like this better? Yes.

Could they have a system in place so this doesn't happen? Yes.

Could some small blame be put on them? Don't know. Maybe.

Is it still ultimately the one who deposits that is in charge and the one to ultimately blame for blowing away 43k? Yes.

In a perfect world all casinos would be looking out for players, but that's not the case. Casinos are there to make money. Nothing more, nothing less.

I've blown big chunks of change on casinos while being drunk. Should I now start crying and asking for my deposits back? Fuck no, I have a backbone and I accept responsibility for my actions. That does seem to get rarer by the day though. I'm starting to get why casinos are asking AML and SOW questions aggressively also for very small deposits and withdrawals. They have to because adults are not really adults anymore. We seem to be stagnating as a species, but that's for another topic.
When you go into the bank for a loan for example £20,000 so the bank give you the money then ask for you’re documentation salary afterwards I think not so it’s the same mate. You just don’t understand gambling at all and the responsibilities these casinos should provide to customers.
 

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When you go into the bank for a loan for example £20,000 so the bank give you the money then ask for you’re documentation salary afterwards I think not so it’s the same mate. You just don’t understand gambling at all and the responsibilities these casinos should provide to customers.

What about your responsibility? Did you not set a deposit limit as that would have stopped you spunking away £43k in 40 minutes
 

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When you go into the bank for a loan for example £20,000 so the bank give you the money then ask for you’re documentation salary afterwards I think not so it’s the same mate. You just don’t understand gambling at all and the responsibilities these casinos should provide to customers.

Yeah loaning money and spending money you yourself own is completely the same thing.

You're documentation = you are documentation
 

abs321

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What about your responsibility? Did you not set a deposit limit as that would have stopped you spunking away £43k in 40 minutes
The responsibility comes with the casino first as there are accepting my deposits and letting me play.
 

abs321

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Yeah loaning money and spending money you yourself own is completely the same thing.

You're documentation = you are documentation
Before you spend money and I mean large money they should check whereabouts it has come from salary etc that’s normal procedure for a big casino
 

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The responsibility comes with the casino first as there are accepting my deposits and letting me play.

It is a joint responsibility. Why else offer the tools to the customer otherwise (other than that they have to do it in order to comply with the license).

Typical "it is not my fault, it has to be everybody else's one" attitude.
 
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