Roguish PKR revoking bonus for no reason.

My son and I are not using the same account and have never used the same account. My son has been involved in the complaint with the AGCC as my representative and nothing more.

This is obviously PKR's latest stunt to justify their actions following our recent exchange. My identity has been confirmed and verified by PKR and Moneybookers.
 
This is obviously PKR's latest stunt to justify their actions following our recent exchange.

On the one hand I see PKR trying to go through the difficult process of changing their policies to better accommodate their players and on the other hand I see you firing off unsubstantiated and inflammatory things like this. Not quite sporting is it?

I'm not saying that you haven't been wronged here, but I am saying that you can either move forward towards a fair resolution of your issue or you can continue to bang the war drums and slag off PKR. Your choice which way you go but I can't see much point in the latter.
 
Excuse me? The only unsubstantiated piece of information as far as I can see is your comment that my son was using my account! A comment I might add that I would have expected you to discuss with me privately as it obviously relates to the PAB we have been discussing.

I believe I have been more than "sporting" with PKR and given them every opportunity to behave in a professional and fair manner. It is obvious that they have fed this unsubstantiated nonsense to Moneybookers and it is this unsubstantiated claim that is the subject of my legal action.

Were you aware that PKR accused me of not being who I claimed to be because I wanted communciations in writing? They quickly dropped that line when I telephoned them!

I am very disappointed that you have chosen this line.
 
topoor,
I think what Max is trying to say is that you should follow your attorney's advice and not say anything at all in public. No matter what is said to you or about you.

Max is trying to deal with this poker room for you. But if you make comments here in public that make pkr management angry the chances of getting your money goes out the window.

The only reason PKR will pay you off is because they want to the bad publicity (and you) to go away... If you make them angry you may never get your money.
 
On the one hand I see PKR trying to go through the difficult process of changing their policies to better accommodate their players and on the other hand I see you firing off unsubstantiated and inflammatory things like this. Not quite sporting is it?
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With respect what do you expect her to do? A casino has tried to defraud her of her money and now claim someone else is using her account so thats the problm.
 
With respect what do you expect her to do? A casino has tried to defraud her of her money and now claim someone else is using her account so thats the problm.

There's another way to look at those same details: an issue that was seemingly unresolvable is now quite resolvable because a casino has changed it's policies (do you know how rare that is? especially in the middle of a dispute, in a way that could help the player get their money?) _and_ the casino has clearly specified what they see as the last stumbling block that needs to be cleared away in order to make everyone happy. What else should they do, send chocolates?

Guys, the point is that PKR is trying to correct past mistakes, clean the slate here, and move forward. What's the point in pissing on them for that? :confused:
 
On the one hand I see PKR trying to go through the difficult process of changing their policies to better accommodate their players and on the other hand I see you firing off unsubstantiated and inflammatory things like this. Not quite sporting is it?

That seems more than a little harsh. I don't see that players should be required to grovel simply to get what is legally theirs, viz. their money.

The fact is that the player has been severely inconvenienced and has had a large amount of her time wasted for no valid reason.

Paying players is hardly a 'difficult process', and describing paying ones debts as being done to 'better accommodate their players' seems like a euphemism too far.
 
There's another way to look at those same details: an issue that was seemingly unresolvable is now quite resolvable because a casino has changed it's policies (do you know how rare that is? especially in the middle of a dispute, in a way that could help the player get their money?) _and_ the casino has clearly specified what they see as the last stumbling block that needs to be cleared away in order to make everyone happy. What else should they do, send chocolates?

Guys, the point is that PKR is trying to correct past mistakes, clean the slate here, and move forward. What's the point in pissing on them for that? :confused:

So because they have tried to turn the player over but now, following pressure from a highly regarded website they are now going to do the right thing you are saying we should be happy. Are you for real? :what::what::what:

Remember when some lefty do gooders in England had the bright Idea of letting burglars meet there victims "To help the offenders reform." Sod the thoughts of the victim but hey, if it helps the poor thieves attone their ways then brilliant.

PKR tried to screw the player and by the sounds of it, took on more than they could chew. Do you REALLY believe if it hadnt been for the fact casinomeister got involved she would have got paid? I really am struggling to understand how you can actually be sticking up for them just because they are righting a wrong. THEY SHOULDNT HAVE DONE THE WRONG IN THE FIRST PLACE:mad::mad:
 
Paying players is hardly a 'difficult process', and describing paying ones debts as being done to 'better accommodate their players' seems like a euphemism too far.

Ugh! Enough already! When a casino steps up to the plate to correct it's ways and make right on past mistakes that's a good thing and should be welcomed with some amount of grace. Constantly sniping about the past or trivial peripheral things is petty nonsense, as we've seen too much of in this thread of late. If you guys would rather intentionally misinterpret or make the worst of every little word ad nauseum then ... well, don't! CM is better than that and there are other places to do such things.
 
Ugh! Enough already! When a casino steps up to the plate to correct it's ways and make right on past mistakes that's a good thing and should be welcomed with some amount of grace. Constantly sniping about the past or trivial peripheral things is petty nonsense, as we've seen too much of in this thread of late. If you guys would rather intentionally misinterpret or make the worst of every little word ad nauseum then ... well, don't! CM is better than that and there are other places to do such things.

Yes, but like I said they shouldnt have done the wrong in the first place and if you cant take onboard peoples views that may be the opposite of yours then its time to pack it in.

What are the trivial and peripheral things. The fact they tried to screw the player. Yes it is great shes going to get paid but the fact is SHE WOULD NOT HAVE GOT PAID IT IF HADNT BEEN FOR THE SITE. If she hadnt come here, she would have been another disgruntled player
 
Yes, obviously her compliant was well-founded and appropriate. Anyone that cares to review this thread would see that that has been my position since the get-go.

In my correspondence with the OP and here (if I recall correctly) I was the one saying that Alderney's support of PKR did not make PKR's decision supportable. I've been fighting for her to get paid since Day 1 on this: how is it that that has suddenly become invisible?

So what is the sense in trying to stick the donkey tail on me, acting like I'm supporting the bad guys here or some such rubbish? It's ridiculous, and trivial if I must say so.

What I am saying, or at least trying this one last time to say, is that yes casino was wrong, yes player complaints were legitimate, yes it never should have happened in the first place __but__ if the casino is now stepping up to the plate to make things right then that is progress and should be greeted accordingly.

All the rest of this "lefty do-gooders" and "why should the player grovel" and such rubbish is pointless in the extreme, not to mention extremely missing the point.
 
Some of you guys are attacking the wrong person here imo.

Max is clearly supporting the player and has put in a considerable amount of time and effort in trying to resolve her issues.

His suggestion that it may be counter-productive to continue hammering the operator over the issue when there is a strong attempt in progress to fairly sort it out is a practical one born of experience, and should be understood as such and not misinterpreted to mean anything else.
 
I agree with Jetset. Max is not the person to attack here.

I don't think very many people realize what a tough (and most of the time thankless) job Max has taken on here.

I mean come on its not like Max can force the casino or poker room to do anything. He can't. All he can do is try to calm down and talk sense to both sides and hopefully come up with a resolution that makes the player happy.

Max's post could possibly have been worded a little better, but you all need to remember that Max is working hard to get this player their money and that is what is important here.

Also remember, we as forum members do not see what is going on behind the scenes in these negotiations with the casino management...

But what we often see here is the final result, a happy post from a player that got their money or a new listing in Casinosmeisters Rouge Pit...
 
I hope all get paid and i agree nobody should pat PKR on the back if they do. IMO by far the most disturbing part of this is the way Aldernay backed PKR's TOTALLY RIDICULOUS decision to not pay these people.

If Aldernay makes decisions like this on a regular basis they are about as impartial as Safebet was.

I have read this whole thread and topoor has consistently stated her case in a clear and impartial manner. I applaud her for sticking with this. She just wants justice no bs.
 
I think you have hit the nail on the head there Paul.
We all want to see PKR do the right thing and that is much better than them continuing to do the wrong thing but it would not suddenly make their past actions excusable.
Poor Max is stuck in the middle and does not deserve some of the flack that he has been getting.
He is acting as an Arbitrator and not an enforcer so I can fully understand his comments even if I disagree how PKR should be received.
For them it is a damage limitation exercise.
 
PKR have now changed their homepage display to better reflect their licensing status.
Someone must have had a quiet word in their shell-like and this is a step in the right direction.

EDit:
So whats the big deal Max posting it in the poker section since I started a thread there dealing with this specific issue?
Chill out man.
 
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PKR have now changed their homepage display to better reflect their licensing status.
Someone must have had a quiet word in their shell-like and this is a step in the right direction.

EDit:
So whats the big deal Max posting it in the poker section since I started a thread there dealing with this specific issue?
Chill out man.

In the now locked PKR poker thread, you said this.....
I will be asking Max to lock this thread, there are more than enough pages of comments on both sides for people to come to their own conclusions and if there is anything new to say there is always the other PKR thread
I guess you didn;t mean for you though eh? :p
 
FatShaft,
if you ever have something constructive or intelligent to say that is not based on personal attacks then be my guest, otherwise you just come across as a troll, something I see you are used to being described as on other message boards and forums.
Please do not derail this thread any further.
 
Here are my case notes from that first week of Aug:
Over the last few days the OP and I have been discussing this case and it boils down to this: she wants a written confession from PKR that they were involved in getting her Moneybookers account nuked. I have said that that's a dead end, that it's not something I'm interested in including in the pursuit of this issue, and that making that her first priority would significantly detract from her chances of getting paid the money she is apparently owed.

At this point she has opted to discuss things with PKR directly in order to pursue her own agenda. I've told her than I have no choice but to put her PAB "on hold" and move on to other things.

As I recall that was the last I heard of it. The case was left 'On Hold' and moved to the inactive list.
 

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