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Pitbull big problems

Discussion in 'Poker Complaints' started by bcblack182, Jul 24, 2009.

    Jul 24, 2009
  1. bcblack182

    bcblack182 Dormant account

    Occupation:
    poker
    Location:
    USA
    Hi, I am chesterboy from 2+2. I have started the following thread there:

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    In it we discuss possible superuser cheating by the inside staff of pitbull poker.

    Further investigation has revealed that dimensus limited, the owning company of pitbull poker was dissolved March 10, 2009.

    They have never held a gaming license.

    This information has been fowarded to the UK gaming authorities.
    Please see the thread for much greater detail.
     
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  2. Jul 25, 2009
  3. bcblack182

    bcblack182 Dormant account

    Occupation:
    poker
    Location:
    USA
    History of pitbull poker:

    -sometime around 2000 Federico Schiavio, a high level IT employee of Binions,
    registered the domain wsop.com

    -he began developing custom poker software to launch a poker site on this
    domain

    -March 23, 2004 Harrahs begins legal action against Mr. Schiavio over the
    wsop.com domain

    -April 19, 2004 Dimensus Ltd is formed. This is the parent company of
    pitbull poker.com.

    -WSOP.com under Mr. Shiavio announces an arrangement with pitbull poker.
    They begin using the wsop.com website to push pitbull poker.
    It appears pitbull uses the custom software written by Mr. Schiavio
    originally for the wsop.com poker site he was planning.

    There is another interesting person in this story; Kevin Baronowsky.

    He is the registrant of the following domains:

    pherx.com a pherehormone selling site
    pitbullpokr.com(no typo) which redirects to pitbullpoker.com
    xardplayer.com(no typo) also redirects to pitbullpoker.com

    dsscanuck is a screen name it appears he used on a forum that discusses
    illegally accessing satellite television. In a discussion on that forum it
    seems that he was busted by a government agency for selling illegal equipment and turned informant against his customers.

    dsscanuck.com is now a blank website that holds banners for pherx.com and
    eczemaderm.com.

    eczemaderm.com is a site that sells a steroid cream product and happens to be
    hosted on the pherx.com servers.

    What puts all this together is that wsop.com was also hosted on the pherx.com
    servers.


    Recent Cheating Allegations:

    -there have been a number of seperate allegations that pitbull poker is
    cheating its own customers through the ability to see hole cards

    -the players have requested their hand histories in a useable format and
    pitbull has refused

    -as of today, July 24, 2009, players can no longer access any hand histories
    online. It remains to be seen if this is temporary or permanent.

    Other interesting facts:

    -Dimensus Ltd the parent company of pitbull poker was dissolved March 10, 2009, leaving no
    apparent owner. PBDave has stated ownership transferred to a company based in Cyprus but no documentation of this has been provided.

    -Dimensus has never held a gaming license, but claims to be located in Costa
    Rica where one is not necessary. Pitbull has presented itself as a UK company making this an illegal gambling business. The UK gaming commission has already been informed.


    Many links to references supporting the claims in this post can be found at
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    Last edited: Jul 25, 2009
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  4. Jul 27, 2009
  5. Senfgnu

    Senfgnu Dormant account

    Occupation:
    helping confused people
    Location:
    BY, Germany
    Server in Panama, HQ in Costa Rica but "has presented itself as a UK company"

    This alone is probably enough to put them on the rogue list...
     
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  6. Jul 27, 2009
  7. Watdog

    Watdog Dormant account

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    Hi bcblack182 / chesterboy

    Nice to see you in these forums too. I followed your thread in 2p2; kudos to you for all that patience you had, tolerating all that trolling, flame, etc before it came to light that you were after something serious.
    This forum seems to be the right place for this thread (and for you).
    Keep fighting the good fight.
     
  8. Jul 28, 2009
  9. Casinomeister

    Casinomeister Forum Cheermeister Staff Member

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    Bierland
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  10. Jul 28, 2009
  11. pbdave

    pbdave Dormant account

    Occupation:
    Network Manager/Affiliate Media Relations Manager
    Location:
    San Jose
    Hello everyone,

    It was brought to my attention the posts you have made here at CM regarding the supposed scandal at our poker room.

    I'd like you to know that we are doing everything that is necessary to provide the original poster, Chesterboy, with his HH.

    Please refer to the following threads to find the latest about the situation:

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    Feel free to reach me with any questions.

    Regards,

    Dave Brenes
    Network Manager
    Pitbull Poker
    Pitbull Casino
    Pitbull Partners
     
  12. Jul 28, 2009
  13. lots0

    lots0 Banned User - troll posts - flaming

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    @pbdave,
    You have ignored the most important questions about the cheating and not being licensed.

    Totally unacceptable IMO.

    What has Pit Bull Poker done to make sure there is no cheating going on?

    What is Pit Bull doing about getting properly licensed?

    Is Pit Bull Poker a scam outfit that should be blacklisted by every decent gambling portal?

    Sounds like it to me.
     
  14. Jul 28, 2009
  15. WonderingSpirit

    WonderingSpirit Casino critic

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    -
    Location:
    Scandinavia

    He requested his HH in december 2008. How much more time are you estimating, 1 or 2 years? He requsted a HH, not wine that needs aging.

    Your site has so many different disputes that your credibility are dropping fast to below 0.

    Some of the rumors:

    Slow pay
    No pay
    Closing account and taking money of people that are rude in chat?
    Rigged casino
    Rigged pokersite
    Pokersite full of bugs

    Quoted from a comment on gambling911.com:


    Some vids found on youtube.com about pitbull.

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  16. Jul 28, 2009
  17. pevangel

    pevangel Meister Member

    Occupation:
    inside sales
    Location:
    FLORIDA USA
    all i can say is :eek: its ridiculous whats going on, i just read some of whats in the forum wow.


    pevangel
     
  18. Jul 29, 2009
  19. pbdave

    pbdave Dormant account

    Occupation:
    Network Manager/Affiliate Media Relations Manager
    Location:
    San Jose
    WonderingSpirit,

    You are getting your facts wrong, chesterboy did not requested his HH on December 2008, he requested them a little over a week or so. At the time as it still is, we did not have a report built in the system to support such request, that is why we are doing everything we can to build it.

    About the things you listed... well you like you said they are nothing but rumours. We have been sending payouts people every week, we don't close an account and take money away from players just because they are rude at chats. There is a procedure and only if the player has incurred in violations of our terms and conditions that merit account closure we proceed to do so. Funds are only retained when fraud or collusion is spotted. Rigged software? We have an iTech Labs certificate that says otherwise.

    As for the questions made by lots0, we have a Security department that is 24/7 checking on suspicios game play, possible CC fraud, etc to prevent cheating. We won't allow any funny stuff going on at our tables, anyone can report any player, and hand number and we will be glad to review it with you. And as for getting licensed, we know how important it is, although it is expensive, we expect to obtain one in the near future.

    I know there is a lot of stuff about us splashed on a lot of threads, but if you look closely and stop being biased by all the comments you will see that we've always had good intentions, we are committed to do extra efforts to comply with our customers' needs and that we want to show everyone we have no dirty stuff.

    Finally, The hand history feature did not dissapeared and reappeared "magically". During the weekend we started working on the hand history request trying to find the best way to get a report we don't have built in and it affected the performance of the server. Something I preivously mentioned when I said "it is an overwhelming process for the server". Right now we have found a way to pull the raw data and we are now converting it into text format to make it available to the OP. In a couple of weeks or so we will also install an update that will allow the export of HH by our each player from their accounts automatically, so everyone can have their HH when they want, in the format everyone needs and no future misunderstandings occur.

    Regards,

    Dave Brenes
    Network Manager
    Pitbull Poker
    Pitbull Casino
    Pitbull Partners
     
  20. Jul 29, 2009
  21. jetset

    jetset Ueber Meister CAG

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    Dave Brenes, can you clarify the relationship between Dimensus and Pitbull - are the allegations of a divestment (sale?) by Dimensus true? Or the rumours that Dimensus has "dissolved"? Exactly which company now owns Pitbull?

    "Good intentions" are one thing; honourable actions are quite another, and there has to be some smoke from the considerable fires on these message boards which the Pitbull issue has generated.
     
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  22. Jul 29, 2009
  23. pbdave

    pbdave Dormant account

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    Network Manager/Affiliate Media Relations Manager
    Location:
    San Jose
    jetset,

    Dimensus Limited is a company previously registered on UK which later we moved to Cyprus. You can visit

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    Which is the company search page from You must register/login in order to see the link. a credit info company based out of Cyprus.

    If you type in the words Dimensus Limited on the search field you will find it under Registration No. C182747.

    We are doing what's necessary to honor our player's request now, there was a clear misunderstanding and we are responding to the player and to the community in order to clarify this matter the best way possible.

    Thank you
     
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  24. Jul 29, 2009
  25. bcblack182

    bcblack182 Dormant account

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    poker
    Location:
    USA
    Here is my conclusion on the matter:

    Also there is some interesting discussion on 2+2 continuing regarding the encryption etc...I recommend reading there as I don't really understand all that stuff.

    xpost from 2+2



    Hi Everybody.
    This is probably going to be my final post on this subject. This has become a major time drain for me and I feel I have done all I can do. I have a family and a life and now that pitbull is taking appropriate action I don't feel the need to continue in my efforts. Here is a summary of what I have learned and why I did certain things.
    -Initially I was stonewalled by pitbull regarding histories. I decided to go public with accusations and also to undertake research regarding ownership of pitbull to increase public pressure to take action. This is why I went to such great lengths to uncover details of pitbull ownership etc...
    Based on everything I have learned, some of which I am unable to publicly post, I believe the following:
    -Pitbull has the capability to give hand histories but it is a tedious process
    -I believe they are now making sincere efforts to update their system to an acceptable standard
    -I am still convinced 100% that their was cheating on the site where my opponents could see my cards. I do not know if this was the work of the company insiders or the work of hackers.
    -I do not believe pitbull properly encrypts game data. I believe the account of a fellow prop that claims he could see his opponents cards during a hand. Some programmers that have reviewed the pitbull software for me do not believe it to be secure. This includes someone I can't identify that works in a high level position for a major (top 3) US technology firm as a programmer.
    -It is clear that at the very least pitbull is guilty of not having the best programming in the world, so I don't think the possibility of hackers can be ruled out.
    -I am 99.9% certain I have identified the person claiming to be Randall Vargas that posted the sweatshop accusations. His story is almost certainly false. His personal information has been given to pitbull if they wish to take legal action against him.
    -Pitbull is processing cashouts in a timely manner.

    That is all I think. In summary I think there was cheating and it was either hackers or insiders. I do not trust the security of the software. I am not technically savy enough to investigate it any further. I am basing my opinion on the feedback I have gotten from experts on the subject. Pitbull is working on getting my hand histories for me. I do not 100% trust anything they produce for several reasons, such as hand histories I have viewed being innacurate regarding stakes etc... I publicly give them permission to give these hands to anyone they want with my hole cards revealed, for unbiased analysis. I am starting a new career soon that will leave me without access to the internet for extended periods of time so I may not be here to give them to the public or to analyze them. There has been strange activity regarding histories being gone for a few days, and then back, and then my account deactivated. There are a few other players besides myselfs who's hands need to be analyzed for this matter to be settled. They are Rapala and Pigbot. I leave it to pitbull and the poker community to settle this matter from here on. I have a lot to do to prepare for my career change and quite frankly don't have the time. I believe I have given all the information necessary for the poker community to judge things for themselves.
    In closing I would like to inform Dave Brenes and Kevin Baronowski that I hold no ill feelings towards you and I wish you the best. I hope that you can properly revamp your system and have a succesful future on your site.
    Sincerly,
    Bryan Black

    PS if anyone wants to mess with the hand grabber script here is the link. The author game me permission to distribute as long as he remains anonymous.
    Link: You must register/login in order to see the link.
    zip pw: PitbullPokerHHG2009
     
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  26. Jul 29, 2009
  27. lots0

    lots0 Banned User - troll posts - flaming

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    Dave thanks for answering my questions.

    But I do agree with jetset. All these complaints... mean something.

    Most of us here been around a while and we all know that a small number of complaints is normal in this business even for the most honest casino groups.

    However, When a group starts generating a lot of complaints from many different sources, we have all learned, There is usually some shady stuff or gross incompetence going on.

    ***
    The thing about the hand histories... Brings back memories of the Absolute Poker cheating scandal.

    For those of you that don't know, Absolute Poker got caught red handed cheating because of a HH emailed to a player (managers at Absolute had secret player accounts where they could see the other players hole cards and won/stole millions). I can't help but think this Absolute incident is on the minds of the management at pit bull.

    Anyway Dave, I hope I am wrong about you guys... But just to be safe (the players come first) I am going to put up a warning to players about you guys on my site today, my site is not associated with Casinomeister.
     
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  28. Jul 29, 2009
  29. pbdave

    pbdave Dormant account

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    Hi lots0,

    I think there is a factor where we cannot be compared to other sites which are bigger. Our regular player is here for entertainment only, so this gives a wide range of playing behaviors clashing with those from consumed players dedicating a lot of their time to play and make significant money from it.

    The OP at 2+2 is one of such experienced players. We will provide him with the HH for him to review so he confirm we did not incurred in any of the illegal actions described by him and the group of players.

    We understand the urgency to clarify and rectify the situation, and we will work non-stop to settle this matter and show the community we are legit and in good standing. Hopefully by then you will remove the warning from your site.

    Cheers!
     
    Last edited: Jul 29, 2009
  30. Jul 29, 2009
  31. Watdog

    Watdog Dormant account

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    The conversation on 2p2 regarding the encryption of the PBP client is getting very interesting.
     
  32. Jul 30, 2009
  33. jetset

    jetset Ueber Meister CAG

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    Senior Partner, InfoPowa News Service
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    Earth
    Thanks for that, Dave although there is not really a lot more useful information to be gleaned from the new registration in Cyprus.

    Have there been any management or director changes at Dimensus following its relocation to Cyprus?

    I take it that the necessary address changes (to Michalakopoulou 12 etc) will be made on your websites?

    Kudos to bcblack182, whom I think has provided a balanced summary of his own conclusions in this matter at post #13 above.

    It still leaves a nagging feeling that all is not quite right here, somehow, and Pitbull-Dimensus have a hill to climb in bolstering credibility in this operation imo.
     
  34. Jul 30, 2009
  35. pbdave

    pbdave Dormant account

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    Network Manager/Affiliate Media Relations Manager
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    San Jose
    Hi jetset,

    Yes, guess we have forgotten to update content on our site from time to time while we focused on other things. We will update the content to reflect the proper information.

    We know we are to walk a long path to establish our credibility and believe we are working harder than ever to prove it to the community. We expect to soon make important announcements to demonstrate our commitment to fairness, integrity and trust.

    Thanks!
     
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  36. Jul 30, 2009
  37. jetset

    jetset Ueber Meister CAG

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    Location:
    Earth
    And my question regarding management and/or directorate changes at Dimensus since the change of location?
     
  38. Jul 30, 2009
  39. pbdave

    pbdave Dormant account

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    Network Manager/Affiliate Media Relations Manager
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    San Jose
    jetset,

    Sorry I missed that one. No there has not been a change on management or directors.

    Cheers!
     
    Last edited: Jul 30, 2009
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