PHOENICIAN STRAND and SCROLL

[DealerBusts]

Those cipher strands are certainly intriguing but of no use to me since i don't know the secret behind them. I think i speak for more than a few other posters when I say that I'd love to know how it works. I'm certainly no mug though and I will be skeptical until i see definite proof of this 'system'. I can't help feeling that there are other hidden agendas and would love to see the questions in the other thread (' A CHALLENGE to Cipher and Bethug') answered.

 

[cipher]

Hi Cipher,
Back home from a little holiday cheer, so forgive me in advance.

After reading all these replies, am I to gather you sell your Cipher system to people?

I have sold the Cipher program to individuals but only after spending a great deal of time in every case with those individuals in pointing out the various trends that CIPHER reveals.

And therefore you cannot define publicly terms like "Switchback" and "Triggers". That's fine, if so. If not, could you define them? Do these definitions remain the same over different software providers?

I've never had a problem at all in defining anything having to do with CIPHER. First off a SWITCHBACK is nothing more than a group of wins and lossess that register in a win - loss - win - loss - win - loss - win - pattern.

Secondly, a TRIGGER is nothing more than a pattern of two wins with one loss in the middle that mimics itself as though it's a set of SWITCHBACKS but it doesnt repeat equally and it's normally preceeded and followed by groups of wins ie win - win - win - loss - win - loss - win - win - win - win

Since your strands do not include a starting balance, I certainly cannot tell when an "all in" bet has been made to verify your claim of 87% or not in the few strands I have seen. Even so, could you at least give me your definition of an "all in" wager? That is, >99% of outstanding balance, 50% or more, etc? (Notwithstanding your CF 1 scroll where I think you started with a $65 balance. And, if so, you did indeed win both "all in" bets.)

An "all in wager" is a wager where I've bet the entire amount of funds that I currently have available to me at a particular casino without depositing more through the cashier.

While I can tell you how many times you won or lost on any given bet size, I cannot relate this to outstanding balance at the time of the wager.

Out of your 3,000,000 hands of internet BJ, how many were "all in"?

I'd say far less than one tenth of one percent.

And you say you won 87%? I was born at night, just not last night. If I were you, I'd take the 10-1 easy money of Wiz's betting challenge. Just let him know when the switches and triggers will occur so he will know when to make the "all in" bet.

I've heard of this betting challenge. However from what I know of it it's a computer simulation and the only way that I know of betting on the various different trends is when I see them as they occurr. I doubt this Wizard would want to sit there and watch me play whatever amount of hands his challenge requires.


To tell you the truth I'm not even sure what your point in posting these strands is. Originally I thought it was because you were having some more-favorable-than-usual Playtech results. Now I think it is to sale a system. What is your point? Forgive me for being, no doubt, a little dense.

What exactly is your basic point here of sharing a bunch of ~60 hand results?
You're winning 49% of 79 bets over your average bet size. So what. You're winning 75% of 12 bets over $50. So what. (Only applies to CF). You've won more big bets than not in a favorable run of cards. So what. For heaven's sake, I can win 1/7th of my bankroll 86% of the time by a simple 1/7th, 1/3, 1 progression. I certainly don't need switches and triggers, whatever they are, to do this.

Nonetheless, I look forward to your next 10 session strand, whatever may be it's point.

Any chance you could combine all your Playtech hands from your 3,000,000 into one heckuva strand? Now that would be interesting, at least to me and, I'd guess, many others.

I may be able to parse those Playtech sessions out.

Could you please tell me what happened on hand #58 in your CF 1 on 11-17-04 strand when you had a $5 BJ that paid $5?

In the case of a boarded Blackjack in other words a Blackjack that I have against a Dealer showing an Ace I'll sometimes albeit rarely, insure the hand.

And a very Happy Thanksgiving to you and yours. Have a good one.

Have a good one.

 

[mitch]

Speaking for myself...
I'm NOT a BOY. You don't have to believe me. I really don't give a fat rats ass whether you do or don't.
What I'm doing here is attempting to lets friends know that you can win...and win a great deal of money with just a minimum of wagering using the Cipher system.
Like it or not....I've been part of this forum for quite a while voicing my opinions and I will continue to do so on an intelligent level.
If you don't like it...don't read it!

Well gentlemen or ladies ( I hope you find this more suitable lanidar )

Things seem to be getting rather heated here.

I do not post just to wind people up, though I think we should make challenging statements from time to time to liven up debate we would not want the forum to be just some boring technical exchange.

I mainly enjoy reading Cipher, Black21Jack and lanidars et al posts. I respect your opinions even if I do not always agree with them.

Frankly it's in my longterm interest for posts to appear which tell the uninformed and gullible to basically ignore people like Clayman. Eg don't bother with all that stuff about bonuses and expected value and ratio of initial bet to total bankroll.

No trust in luck and your innate ability to spot and predict trends and especially trust betting systems. You will have a far more satisfying and profitable gambling experience if you do this.
Then casinos will be able to rope in these people by attractive offers and their eventual losses will fund the casinos profits and my winnings. GREAT

Indeed at one point I wondered whether BlackJack, Cipher etc were really the ultimate advantage players, coining it in themselves through sensible advantage play and yet pushing the opposite line on forums. Taking advantage play to the nth degree and ignoring morality issues this would be the correct play!

It's hard enough at times to win at internet casinos even when you are playing with the advantage (slight though it is). Even that prince of advantage players Clayman :notworthy falls victim to gambling fever at times and bets rashly (probably fuelled by the deadly brew eh Clayman? )

So perhaps for the purpose of this forum and my longterm financial health I should convert. Bollocks to bonuses and trust my instincts rational or not.

HALLELUJAH brothers spread the message and pass the plate.

Mitch

"gamble don't win"

 

[universexf6]

To Cipher

Hello. I am universefx6 who just exchange some response in Winners' Onine
with you.

Could you tell me how I can try yout Cipher system? I am a bit interested.
( I am in Japan though, is it still O.K? )

 

[cipher]

Hello. I am universefx6 who just exchange some response in Winners' Onine
with you.

Could you tell me how I can try yout Cipher system? I am a bit interested.
( I am in Japan though, is it still O.K? )

Yes, Japan is certainly O.K. by me, as 30 of my 48 active clients reside in Japan. If you like you can email me with an email address and I'll get back to you but probably not before the weekend. Thanks for your interest and have a good one.

 

[Clayman]

Thanks for your reply Cipher.

Insurance, huh. Never even ocurred to me an "all-in" better like you would take chicken money

Glad an "all in" bet is like what it sounds like. I'm sure the Wiz would be happy to watch you play and analyze all the trends you want since, at some point, even you would lose an "all-in" bet and have lost the challenge.

The only strand for which you have a starting balance you made 2 "all in" bets - alot more than "far less than one tenth of one percent." How many "all in" bets were made in these strands anyway? It would be nice if we could tell, I guess.

It almost seems that this "all in" bet is the hallmark of your system. Maybe not. But why anyone would voluntarily bet the bankroll is beyond me. Fine if it's your last $5 with a $5 minimum. What the heck.

But not having enough money to double or split adds an enormous 1.9% to whatever the house edge already is. You mean people actually, after some "trend analysis" suddenly decide to play a hand with a 2.4% HA just because you tell them to? And I thought there was nothing new under the sun.

But I will galdly tell you who will win the football game on Sunday and, after it has been proven that I can successfully predict same, you buy my system for the following week. I think if I had your client list, I could make alot of sales.

I have no problem whatsoever believing you won 48 out of 50 sessions if by that we just mean your ending balance was greater than your starting balance. I have more money than I started with 100,000+ hands ago even without bonuses thru, I assume, occasional use of progressions gaining a few units here and there over whatever my original unit is. Maybe I'm doing trend analysis without even knowing it. That's it - I'll sell my system as "How to win without even knowing you are doing it". Sorry, I'm getting carried away.

Anyway, from what I think I know now, it sort of seems these little strands have some self-serving point of promulgating your system. I guess I don't think these boards should be used to sell a betting system, especially one that takes insurance and makes "all in" bets. Why can't you just send them to your clients privately rather than thru here? Other than trying to gain some converts, why are you posting these strands that amount to the most average 600 hands I can possibly imagine?

But I do think your CIPHER system could have real value as a real-time recording tool for analysis of one's play from a statistical point of view in order to determine many questions relating to the "randomness" of a particular software group. I just wouldn't buy it as a betting system.

But should you come up with a large Playtech strand, I think that would have a point to it and be an excellent contribution to the board and larger gambling community.

Off to stuff myself. Have a good one.

 

[Clayman]

Even Clayman falls victim to gambling fever at times and bets rashly (probably fuelled by the deadly brew eh Clayman?

How'd you know? You must be clairvoyant or something. Do you have a betting system I can buy?

As my mother used to say all the time, "Do as I say. Don't do as I do." Mama tried.

 

[cipher]

Thanks for your reply Cipher.

Insurance, huh. Never even ocurred to me an "all-in" better like you would take chicken money

Glad an "all in" bet is like what it sounds like. I'm sure the Wiz would be happy to watch you play and analyze all the trends you want since, at some point, even you would lose an "all-in" bet and have lost the challenge.

In such an instance as the Wiz' challenge there would be no ALL IN WAGERS and of that you can be certain.


The only strand for which you have a starting balance you made 2 "all in" bets - alot more than "far less than one tenth of one percent." How many "all in" bets were made in these strands anyway? It would be nice if we could tell, I guess.

Maybe I didn't understood your question correctly, I thought you were inquiring as the total of 3,000,000 hands and the figure that I gave you was based on the total of 3,000,000 hands.

It almost seems that this "all in" bet is the hallmark of your system. Maybe not. But why anyone would voluntarily bet the bankroll is beyond me. Fine if it's your last $5 with a $5 minimum. What the heck.

The ALL IN WAGER is absolutely reserved for recreational purposes only and rarely if ever exceeds $500.00.

But not having enough money to double or split adds an enormous 1.9% to whatever the house edge already is. You mean people actually, after some "trend analysis" suddenly decide to play a hand with a 2.4% HA just because you tell them to? And I thought there was nothing new under the sun.

To reiterate, the ALL IN WAGER is absolutely reserved for recreational purposes only and rarely if ever exceeds $500.00 and no I do not advise anyone other myself to try it.


But I will galdly tell you who will win the football game on Sunday and, after it has been proven that I can successfully predict same, you buy my system for the following week. I think if I had your client list, I could make alot of sales.

I have no problem whatsoever believing you won 48 out of 50 sessions if by that we just mean your ending balance was greater than your starting balance. I have more money than I started with 100,000+ hands ago even without bonuses thru, I assume, occasional use of progressions gaining a few units here and there over whatever my original unit is. Maybe I'm doing trend analysis without even knowing it. That's it - I'll sell my system as "How to win without even knowing you are doing it". Sorry, I'm getting carried away.

Anyway, from what I think I know now, it sort of seems these little strands have some self-serving point of promulgating your system. I guess I don't think these boards should be used to sell a betting system, especially one that takes insurance and makes "all in" bets. Why can't you just send them to your clients privately rather than thru here? Other than trying to gain some converts, why are you posting these strands that amount to the most average 600 hands I can possibly imagine?

I think you might have started a little early on the celebratory drinks as I'm having great difficulty in understanding you after this last paragraph. But in any event have a good one.
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[bethug]

Clayman, I like to see his playing sessions and anybody elses, even if i dont use there system. Clayman it would be a sad forum if everyone thinks the same way and follow one way of thinking. If someone dont understand something they want to attack or say its luck.

I dont like people that dont stay put in a few casino and run bonus hunting, but i would not tell them to post.

just my hood since

 

[cipher]

How'd you know? You must be clairvoyant or something. Do you have a betting system I can buy?

As my mother used to say all the time, "Do as I say. Don't do as I do." Mama tried.

That's funny it was my Father who used to tell me the same thing.

"Do you have a betting system I can buy?"

No, Clayman I think there would be a great clash between the way each of us perceive playing a Blackjack session. As I mentioned earlier I won't sell the program to anyone unless and until I feel comfortable that the client not only knows the parameters of the Cipher program but also demonstrates a desire to utilize those parameters. Have a good one.

 

[mitch]

How'd you know? You must be clairvoyant or something. Do you have a betting system I can buy?

Nice one Clayman.

Actually I have got loads.

Oh unless you mean you want a winning one!

Mitch