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Discussion in 'Online Casinos' started by cipher, Nov 22, 2004.

    Nov 22, 2004
  1. cipher

    cipher Banned member - being a jerk

    I received an email from one of my clients in India this morning asking that I pre-track a session of Blackjack at The Phoenician for him and in advance of his anticipated play later on in the day.

    Since their last up-date I've noticed that RTG does not seem to be working in nearly as many TRIGGERS (composition of lines 18,19 & 20) but instead they seem to be utilizing the more traditional SWITCHBACK when transitioning from RED to GREEN or from GREEN to RED as in lines 44 and 45 and then again at lines 54 and 55. Have a good one.
  2. Nov 22, 2004
  3. bethug

    bethug Banned User - Winner of the "<a href="http://www.c

    i had good runs on 3 out 4 rtg last week, I hope they keep this updated :eek2:
  4. Nov 22, 2004
  5. caruso

    caruso Banned User - repetitive violations of 1.6 - troll

    Casino apologist
    Cipher, I've no idea what any of this means - it would be helpful if you can post a clarification.
  6. Nov 23, 2004
  7. cipher

    cipher Banned member - being a jerk

    Hi Caruso:

    I'll be happy to, but it won't be up until tomorrow as I've got a full plate today.

    Have a good one.
  8. Nov 23, 2004
  9. lanidar

    lanidar Dormant account

    Avenel, New Jersey
    Can you please tell us how much of a deposit you made when you played at Phoenicians?
  10. Nov 24, 2004
  11. Clayman

    Clayman Dormant account

    Pennsylvania, USA
    All I can tell you is he had to have started with at least a $669 balance or he could not have made the $478 bet in hand 27.

    I'm guessing "Triggers" and "Switchback" are some way he has of predicting when to make a big bet.

    And, since he got a BJ on the $478 bet, it must work! :)

    Although I noticed in earlier strands, he has a habit of betting his entire balance. I really recommend never doing this as you are really hurting yourself by not allowing enough money to double. Been there, done that myself though.

    I,too, wish his strands would include a starting balance.
  12. Nov 24, 2004
  13. lanidar

    lanidar Dormant account

    Avenel, New Jersey
    You are correct. :thumbsup:
    But, I'll let Cipher explain it to you.
  14. Nov 24, 2004
  15. Clayman

    Clayman Dormant account

    Pennsylvania, USA
    My way is Prayer.

    And, unlike church, I really mean it in a casino :D
  16. Nov 24, 2004
  17. jerseyguy11

    jerseyguy11 Dormant account

    new jersey
    thanks for post as always. interesting to see rtg results
  18. Nov 24, 2004
  19. Clayman

    Clayman Dormant account

    Pennsylvania, USA
    From a flat-bet point of view, in case anyone cares, he finished one unit up in the 60 hands.

    Amazing what winning a few big bets can do.
  20. Nov 25, 2004
  21. cipher

    cipher Banned member - being a jerk

    Hi John:

    I hope all is well with you and yours. With the Phoenician casino it's a little different as far as deposits go, given the rapid response they give with regards deposits as well as withdrawals. But I generally keep the deposit range within $500 to a $1,000.00. Have a good one.
  22. Nov 25, 2004
  23. seanjohn

    seanjohn Banned User - Violation of posting rules

    question number 1, if you were really that good in beating the casinos, why the hell do you need a client to begin with?
    question number 2, if you were really that good, why didn't you place $1 whenever you know you are gonna lose and place your entire bankroll otherwise?

    no offence, in my true opinion your so called 'strands' are nothing but **** and you and Bethug are really full of it
    sure you guys win $10,000 everyday sure
    what you didn't mention is that you lose $20,000 on your way back :lolup:

    Hard to believe some people actually take your stuff like gospel. No wonder Golden Palace has so much money to spare on grill cheese.

    HAVE A GOOD ONE!! :rolleyes:
  24. Nov 25, 2004
  25. cipher

    cipher Banned member - being a jerk

    Hi Clayman: You do have some uncanny abilities at figuring things out and that's a good thing. I'm not 100% but I do enjoy an 87% average on what I call "all in" wagers. After better than 6 years now and over 3,000,000 hands of Blackjack on the Internet I've learned to trust my abilities to read the trend analysis developed by the Cipher program and it's served me well.

    You're quite right with regards the TRIGGERS and SWITCHBACKS Clayman. But there are also a couple other factors that weigh heavily in all of my sessions. Those are: 1) trend recognition. and 2) my absolute insistence upon wagering enough on any hand that I have confidence in, that if I do win that hand that I'll make money on that hand rather than just pushing dollars. In other words I want the House to pay what I call a profit price for any hand that I wager on.

    I'm in the midst of putting a ten session group together and I've finished six of those sessions so far. I'll be finishing that group of 10 sessions up over the next couple of days and then I'll be posting those. Have a good one. I hope everyone has a great Turkey Day.
  26. Nov 25, 2004
  27. mitch

    mitch Dormant account


    Nice one seanjohn!

    The trouble with Cipher is that he has convinced himself that he can actually predict the future by looking at the past. When actually anybody with half a brain can see that what he is doing is running a negative progression system chasing losses.

    Of course it is well known that following such a system will allow you to win the majority (or the vast majority dependant on how aggressive the system is) sessions of betting. Of course when you lose you go down big time and it all evens up in the long run in line with probability.

    In Ciphers case when he eventually loses he normally posts to this forum on how this or that casino has cheated him by pulling switches on their software because we all know how he can predict the future with his 'strands'.

    Of course if Cipher is right he is actually richer than Bill Gates and only posts to these forums because he is an eccentric millionaire.!


    "win don't gamble"
  28. Nov 25, 2004
  29. Thatchatch

    Thatchatch Dormant account

    Toronto ON Canada
    I just loved Pheonecian. Lost sometimes, but when I won, it was intant into my Neteller! It was my 'adopted' RTG, especially for pontoon and caribbean 21... long sessions at low stakes just for enjoyment... Win $100 or lose $100.

    Funny thing though, one evening I could not login... 'contact support'... I emailed and asked why I couldn't. They said they wanted my info again, birthday ID, address and so forth. I replied they had all of that already and that I had been living at the same place for 10 years.

    The reply was a reitrrated request of info. I could not log in anymore, so I deleted Phoenician from the machine. I emailed them that they had lost a 'regular'. No word since. I might have won a tad more than I had lost over 7 or 8 visits. Would that be the reason? :confused:

    Does anyone have any complaint about them? I never heard of one before and mine is minor. Perhaps I should have sent them my info again? I just held my ground.

    Any comments or insight is always appreciated.


  30. Nov 25, 2004
  31. cipher

    cipher Banned member - being a jerk


    I don't know the least bit about either one of you nor do I care to. I see that the both of you have a cumulative total of 68 posts all of which seem to ring with a similar and perverse attitude, which tells me that you're a match made in heaven, enjoy.

    It seems like we've had this same situation before and guess what, nothing has changed. If you don't like what I post don't read it.
    Last edited: Nov 25, 2004
  32. Nov 25, 2004
  33. lanidar

    lanidar Dormant account

    Avenel, New Jersey
    You don't know WTF you're talking about!
    I learned FROM Cipher back in January how to use his program.
    He and I and my TWO sons were taught by him, for months, and played BJ with him on conference calls. He taught us and taught us well.
    I use it on a DAILY basis. I know how to use the "switchbacks" ... "triggers" and watch the "trends" to my advantage...because his system DOES work.
    I make money EVERY day!!
    In September I made a total of $2800.00 in deposits at Will Hill.
    Thanks to Cipher I made a PROFIT of $2826.00.
    I have copies of EVERY hand that was dealt...EVERY bet that I made.
    I can PROVE what I say!!
    So, before you mouth off...
  34. Nov 25, 2004
  35. cipher

    cipher Banned member - being a jerk

    Hi Thatch:

    Welcome to the forum. I think if I were you I'd renew my communication with the Phoenician as what you've stated here in your post just doesn't ring true with what I know of the Phoenician group. It sounds more like a misunderstanding than anything else. Have a good one.
  36. Nov 25, 2004
  37. cipher

    cipher Banned member - being a jerk

    Just for the record John, I still remember that last $600.00 all in wager at OASIS and yes!!!! SEAN JEAN and MITCH it was a loss. Have a good one.
  38. Nov 25, 2004
  39. mitch

    mitch Dormant account

    Cipher and lanidar

    You boys are so modest.

    Being able to predict future events as you do and yet winning so little.

    I admire your restraint. If I had your god like powers to adjust the laws of probability I would have made myself super rich and retired already.

    I win about 30k per year but it's bonuses and willpower that does it not god like powers like yourselves ( where are you when I need you KK! ).

    Sorry you don't care for my general approach to life Cipher but I have always had an aversion to snakeoil salesman.


    "win don't gamble"

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