PHOENICIAN STRAND and SCROLL

cipher

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I received an email from one of my clients in India this morning asking that I pre-track a session of Blackjack at The Phoenician for him and in advance of his anticipated play later on in the day.

Since their last up-date I've noticed that RTG does not seem to be working in nearly as many TRIGGERS (composition of lines 18,19 & 20) but instead they seem to be utilizing the more traditional SWITCHBACK when transitioning from RED to GREEN or from GREEN to RED as in lines 44 and 45 and then again at lines 54 and 55. Have a good one.
 

caruso

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cipher said:
Since their last up-date I've noticed that RTG does not seem to be working in nearly as many TRIGGERS (composition of lines 18,19 & 20) but instead they seem to be utilizing the more traditional SWITCHBACK when transitioning from RED to GREEN or from GREEN to RED as in lines 44 and 45 and then again at lines 54 and 55. Have a good one.

Cipher, I've no idea what any of this means - it would be helpful if you can post a clarification.
 

cipher

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caruso said:
Cipher, I've no idea what any of this means - it would be helpful if you can post a clarification.

Hi Caruso:

I'll be happy to, but it won't be up until tomorrow as I've got a full plate today.

Have a good one.
 

Clayman

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lanidar said:
Can you please tell us how much of a deposit you made when you played at Phoenicians?

All I can tell you is he had to have started with at least a $669 balance or he could not have made the $478 bet in hand 27.

I'm guessing "Triggers" and "Switchback" are some way he has of predicting when to make a big bet.

And, since he got a BJ on the $478 bet, it must work! :)

Although I noticed in earlier strands, he has a habit of betting his entire balance. I really recommend never doing this as you are really hurting yourself by not allowing enough money to double. Been there, done that myself though.

I,too, wish his strands would include a starting balance.
 

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jerseyguy11 said:
thanks for post as always. interesting to see rtg results

From a flat-bet point of view, in case anyone cares, he finished one unit up in the 60 hands.

Amazing what winning a few big bets can do.
 

cipher

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lanidar said:
Can you please tell us how much of a deposit you made when you played at Phoenicians?

Hi John:

I hope all is well with you and yours. With the Phoenician casino it's a little different as far as deposits go, given the rapid response they give with regards deposits as well as withdrawals. But I generally keep the deposit range within $500 to a $1,000.00. Have a good one.
 

seanjohn

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question number 1, if you were really that good in beating the casinos, why the hell do you need a client to begin with?
question number 2, if you were really that good, why didn't you place $1 whenever you know you are gonna lose and place your entire bankroll otherwise?

no offence, in my true opinion your so called 'strands' are nothing but **** and you and Bethug are really full of it
sure you guys win $10,000 everyday sure
what you didn't mention is that you lose $20,000 on your way back :lolup:

Hard to believe some people actually take your stuff like gospel. No wonder Golden Palace has so much money to spare on grill cheese.

HAVE A GOOD ONE!! :rolleyes:
 

cipher

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Clayman said:
All I can tell you is he had to have started with at least a $669 balance or he could not have made the $478 bet in hand 27.

I'm guessing "Triggers" and "Switchback" are some way he has of predicting when to make a big bet.

And, since he got a BJ on the $478 bet, it must work! :)

Although I noticed in earlier strands, he has a habit of betting his entire balance. I really recommend never doing this as you are really hurting yourself by not allowing enough money to double. Been there, done that myself though.

I,too, wish his strands would include a starting balance.

Hi Clayman: You do have some uncanny abilities at figuring things out and that's a good thing. I'm not 100% but I do enjoy an 87% average on what I call "all in" wagers. After better than 6 years now and over 3,000,000 hands of Blackjack on the Internet I've learned to trust my abilities to read the trend analysis developed by the Cipher program and it's served me well.

You're quite right with regards the TRIGGERS and SWITCHBACKS Clayman. But there are also a couple other factors that weigh heavily in all of my sessions. Those are: 1) trend recognition. and 2) my absolute insistence upon wagering enough on any hand that I have confidence in, that if I do win that hand that I'll make money on that hand rather than just pushing dollars. In other words I want the House to pay what I call a profit price for any hand that I wager on.

I'm in the midst of putting a ten session group together and I've finished six of those sessions so far. I'll be finishing that group of 10 sessions up over the next couple of days and then I'll be posting those. Have a good one. I hope everyone has a great Turkey Day.
 

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seanjohn said:

no offence, in my true opinion your so called 'strands' are nothing but **** and you and Bethug are really full of it
Hard to believe some people actually take your stuff like gospel. No wonder Golden Palace has so much money to spare on grill cheese.

HAVE A GOOD ONE!! :rolleyes:


Nice one seanjohn!

The trouble with Cipher is that he has convinced himself that he can actually predict the future by looking at the past. When actually anybody with half a brain can see that what he is doing is running a negative progression system chasing losses.

Of course it is well known that following such a system will allow you to win the majority (or the vast majority dependant on how aggressive the system is) sessions of betting. Of course when you lose you go down big time and it all evens up in the long run in line with probability.

In Ciphers case when he eventually loses he normally posts to this forum on how this or that casino has cheated him by pulling switches on their software because we all know how he can predict the future with his 'strands'.

Of course if Cipher is right he is actually richer than Bill Gates and only posts to these forums because he is an eccentric millionaire.!

Mitch

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I just loved Pheonecian. Lost sometimes, but when I won, it was intant into my Neteller! It was my 'adopted' RTG, especially for pontoon and caribbean 21... long sessions at low stakes just for enjoyment... Win $100 or lose $100.

Funny thing though, one evening I could not login... 'contact support'... I emailed and asked why I couldn't. They said they wanted my info again, birthday ID, address and so forth. I replied they had all of that already and that I had been living at the same place for 10 years.

The reply was a reitrrated request of info. I could not log in anymore, so I deleted Phoenician from the machine. I emailed them that they had lost a 'regular'. No word since. I might have won a tad more than I had lost over 7 or 8 visits. Would that be the reason? :confused:

Does anyone have any complaint about them? I never heard of one before and mine is minor. Perhaps I should have sent them my info again? I just held my ground.

Any comments or insight is always appreciated.

Regards,

Thatch
 

cipher

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mitch said:
Nice one seanjohn!

The trouble with Cipher is that he has convinced himself that he can actually predict the future by looking at the past. When actually anybody with half a brain can see that what he is doing is running a negative progression system chasing losses.

Of course it is well known that following such a system will allow you to win the majority (or the vast majority dependant on how aggressive the system is) sessions of betting. Of course when you lose you go down big time and it all evens up in the long run in line with probability.

In Ciphers case when he eventually loses he normally posts to this forum on how this or that casino has cheated him by pulling switches on their software because we all know how he can predict the future with his 'strands'.

Of course if Cipher is right he is actually richer than Bill Gates and only posts to these forums because he is an eccentric millionaire.!

Mitch

"win don't gamble"

SEAN JEAN & MITCH:

I don't know the least bit about either one of you nor do I care to. I see that the both of you have a cumulative total of 68 posts all of which seem to ring with a similar and perverse attitude, which tells me that you're a match made in heaven, enjoy.

It seems like we've had this same situation before and guess what, nothing has changed. If you don't like what I post don't read it.
 
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mitch
The trouble with Cipher is that he has convinced himself that he can actually predict the future by looking at the past. When actually anybody with half a brain can see that what he is doing is running a negative progression system chasing losses.

You don't know WTF you're talking about!
I learned FROM Cipher back in January how to use his program.
He and I and my TWO sons were taught by him, for months, and played BJ with him on conference calls. He taught us and taught us well.
I use it on a DAILY basis. I know how to use the "switchbacks" ... "triggers" and watch the "trends" to my advantage...because his system DOES work.
I make money EVERY day!!
In September I made a total of $2800.00 in deposits at Will Hill.
Thanks to Cipher I made a PROFIT of $2826.00.
I have copies of EVERY hand that was dealt...EVERY bet that I made.
I can PROVE what I say!!
So, before you mouth off...
KNOW WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT!!!
 

cipher

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Thatchatch said:
I just loved Pheonecian. Lost sometimes, but when I won, it was intant into my Neteller! It was my 'adopted' RTG, especially for pontoon and caribbean 21... long sessions at low stakes just for enjoyment... Win $100 or lose $100.

Funny thing though, one evening I could not login... 'contact support'... I emailed and asked why I couldn't. They said they wanted my info again, birthday ID, address and so forth. I replied they had all of that already and that I had been living at the same place for 10 years.

The reply was a reitrrated request of info. I could not log in anymore, so I deleted Phoenician from the machine. I emailed them that they had lost a 'regular'. No word since. I might have won a tad more than I had lost over 7 or 8 visits. Would that be the reason? :confused:

Does anyone have any complaint about them? I never heard of one before and mine is minor. Perhaps I should have sent them my info again? I just held my ground.

Any comments or insight is always appreciated.

Regards,

Thatch

Hi Thatch:

Welcome to the forum. I think if I were you I'd renew my communication with the Phoenician as what you've stated here in your post just doesn't ring true with what I know of the Phoenician group. It sounds more like a misunderstanding than anything else. Have a good one.
 

cipher

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lanidar said:
mitch


You don't know WTF you're talking about!
I learned FROM Cipher back in January how to use his program.
He and I and my TWO sons were taught by him, for months, and played BJ with him on conference calls. He taught us and taught us well.
I use it on a DAILY basis. I know how to use the "switchbacks" ... "triggers" and watch the "trends" to my advantage...because his system DOES work.
I make money EVERY day!!
In September I made a total of $2800.00 in deposits at Will Hill.
Thanks to Cipher I made a PROFIT of $2826.00.
I have copies of EVERY hand that was dealt...EVERY bet that I made.
I can PROVE what I say!!
So, before you mouth off...
KNOW WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT!!!

Just for the record John, I still remember that last $600.00 all in wager at OASIS and yes!!!! SEAN JEAN and MITCH it was a loss. Have a good one.
 

mitch

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Cipher and lanidar

You boys are so modest.

Being able to predict future events as you do and yet winning so little.

I admire your restraint. If I had your god like powers to adjust the laws of probability I would have made myself super rich and retired already.

I win about 30k per year but it's bonuses and willpower that does it not god like powers like yourselves ( where are you when I need you KK! ).

Sorry you don't care for my general approach to life Cipher but I have always had an aversion to snakeoil salesman.

Mitch

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cipher said:
SEAN JEAN & MITCH:

I don't know the least bit about either one of you nor do I care to. I see that the both of you have a cumulative total of 68 posts all of which seem to ring with a similar and perverse attitude, which tells me that you're a match made in heaven, enjoy.

It seems like we've had this same situation before and guess what, nothing has changed. If you don't like what I post don't read it.

cipher, I would not even respond to Tweedle-Dee and Tweedle-Dumb. They just jump in on threads to disagree with whatever the initial post was about and then sit back and watch as they get an argument going. They have nothing positive to add to any threads.
 

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Black21Jack said:
cipher, I would not even respond to Tweedle-Dee and Tweedle-Dumb. They just jump in on threads to disagree with whatever the initial post was about and then sit back and watch as they get an argument going. They have nothing positive to add to any threads.

Sorry to disapoint you Black21Jack but I don't hunt in a pack and I have a very positive approach to life in general and this forum in particular.

I know from your previous posts that you also are one of the few people on the planet who can constantly win money on a negative expectation game without using bonuses ( have the aliens landed ! ). So I am not surprised that you are having your twopenneth ( an English expression ) on this thread.
Now who's hunting in packs!

You have also tried to convince people on this forum that investing in a pyramid MLM scheme is a sure way to making a fortune. :confused:

Need I say more?

Mitch

"win don't gamble"
 
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Black21Jack

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mitch said:
Sorry to disapoint you Black21Jack but I don't hunt in a pack and I have a very positive approach to life in general and this forum in particular.

I know from your previous posts that you also are one of the few people on the planet who can constantly win money on a negative expectation game without using bonuses ( have the aliens landed ! ). So I am not surprised that you are having your twopenneth ( an English expression ) on this thread.
Now who's hunting in packs!

You have also tried to convince people on this forum that investing in a pyramid MLM scheme is a sure way to making a fortune. :confused:

Need I say more?

Mitch

"win don't gamble"

I have never tried to convince anyone to join a pyramid or an MLM business (they are two seperate things by the way) I did post corrections to some false information that was posted on a particular MLM business, but in no way tried to sell it to the forum members and I never included a link to recruit members. Get your facts straight.
 

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mitch said:
Cipher and lanidar
You boys are so modest.
Being able to predict future events as you do and yet winning so little.
I admire your restraint. If I had your god like powers to adjust the laws of probability I would have made myself super rich and retired already.
I win about 30k per year but it's bonuses and willpower that does it not god like powers like yourselves ( where are you when I need you KK! ).
Sorry you don't care for my general approach to life Cipher but I have always had an aversion to snakeoil salesman.
Mitch

Speaking for myself...
I'm NOT a BOY. I'm a man who is 61 years old and has been around the block a few times. I don't attempt to "predict the future" as you say. My winnings lie in probabilities.

(By the way...not to get off the topic but God is spelled with a capital "G".)

Back to the subject...I AM retired. Not SUPER rich but satisfied with my more than average income. I play for fun...and I've made more than TWICE as much as you have.
Snake oil salesman? No, not at all, no one is attempting to sell you or anyone else ANYTHING.
You don't have to believe me. I really don't give a fat rats ass whether you do or don't.
What I'm doing here is attempting to lets friends know that you can win...and win a great deal of money with just a minimum of wagering using the Cipher system.
Like it or not....I've been part of this forum for quite a while voicing my opinions and I will continue to do so on an intelligent level.
If you don't like it...don't read it!
 

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cipher said:
I'm not 100% but I do enjoy an 87% average on what I call "all in" wagers. I've learned to trust my abilities to read the trend analysis developed by the Cipher program and it's served me well.

You're quite right with regards the TRIGGERS and SWITCHBACKS Clayman. But there are also a couple other factors that weigh heavily in all of my sessions. Those are: 1) trend recognition. and 2) my absolute insistence upon wagering enough on any hand that I have confidence in, that if I do win that hand that I'll make money on that hand rather than just pushing dollars. In other words I want the House to pay what I call a profit price for any hand that I wager on.

I'll be finishing that group of 10 sessions up over the next couple of days and then I'll be posting those.

Hi Cipher,
Back home from a little holiday cheer, so forgive me in advance.

After reading all these replies, am I to gather you sell your Cipher system to people? And therefore you cannot define publicly terms like "Switchback" and "Triggers". That's fine, if so. If not, could you define them? Do these definitions remain the same over different software providers?

Since your strands do not include a starting balance, I certainly cannot tell when an "all in" bet has been made to verify your claim of 87% or not in the few strands I have seen. Even so, could you at least give me your definition of an "all in" wager? That is, >99% of outstanding balance, 50% or more, etc? (Notwithstanding your CF 1 scroll where I think you started with a $65 balance. And, if so, you did indeed win both "all in" bets.)

While I can tell you how many times you won or lost on any given bet size, I cannot relate this to outstanding balance at the time of the wager.

Out of your 3,000,000 hands of internet BJ, how many were "all in"? And you say you won 87%? I was born at night, just not last night. If I were you, I'd take the 10-1 easy money of Wiz's betting challenge. Just let him know when the switches and triggers will occur so he will know when to make the "all in" bet.

To tell you the truth I'm not even sure what your point in posting these strands is. Originally I thought it was because you were having some more-favorable-than-usual Playtech results. Now I think it is to sale a system. What is your point? Forgive me for being, no doubt, a little dense.

What exactly is your basic point here of sharing a bunch of ~60 hand results?
You're winning 49% of 79 bets over your average bet size. So what. You're winning 75% of 12 bets over $50. So what. (Only applies to CF). You've won more big bets than not in a favorable run of cards. So what. For heaven's sake, I can win 1/7th of my bankroll 86% of the time by a simple 1/7th, 1/3, 1 progression. I certainly don't need switches and triggers, whatever they are, to do this.

Nonetheless, I look forward to your next 10 session strand, whatever may be it's point.

Any chance you could combine all your Playtech hands from your 3,000,000 into one heckuva strand? Now that would be interesting, at least to me and, I'd guess, many others.

Could you please tell me what happened on hand #58 in your CF 1 on 11-17-04 strand when you had a $5 BJ that paid $5?

And a very Happy Thanksgiving to you and yours. Have a good one.
 
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