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Pharaohs Casino - new software, stupid terms

Discussion in 'Online Casinos' started by Nifty29, Oct 4, 2007.

    Oct 4, 2007
  1. Nifty29

    Nifty29 Dormant account

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    Hey Gang

    Pharaohs casino have changed software from BossMedia to MG......and their signup bonus terms are just plain stupid.

    Keep in mind that the EzBonus system is used. :cool:

    1. Any new player claiming the 100% Welcome Bonus (maximum bonus amount as advertised on the homepage) effectively accepts these terms and conditions.
    To be eligible to receive the welcome bonus a player must have NOT received a Welcome Bonus from and casino operated by Naden which are on the following list:
    Click here.
    Players may not make a cash-in of any kind prior to receiving their Welcome Bonus. If a player performs a cash-in, then the Welcome Bonus is void.
    Players need to wager the Welcome Bonus that they qualify for once through to be eligible.
    Withdrawal requests before the wagering requirements of the Welcome Bonus have been met will be rejected until such time as the wagering requirements have been satisfied.
    Players must stake at least 40 times the value of their Welcome Bonus prior to cashing in.
    Players must also make a minimum of 250 bets before withdrawal request is accepted.
    Players of Russian, Danish, Israeli and British origin are welcome at our casino. We regret however that due to promotional abuse by a large number of players originating from Russia, Denmark, Israel and the UK the wagering requirement is at least 50 times the value of their Welcome Bonus prior to cashing in.
    The wagering contribution percentages for the 40x play-through requirement is different based on the game type played as follows:
    Slots and Parlor Games - 100%
    Table Poker, Roulette - 25%
    Video Poker, Casino War - 5%
    All versions of Blackjack, Power Poker, Craps, Baccarat, Sicbo, Progressive Slots and Games, Red Dog, Paigow Poker, All Aces and Jacks or Better Video Poker - 0%
    Bets made in the gamble game feature in all slot games do not count towards the Welcome Bonus System play-through.
    Players may win real cash account credits with Welcome Bonus credits; however, Welcome Bonus credits must be played through in accordance with the Welcome Bonus System wagering requirements before cashing-in.
    Our Welcome Bonus offer is available only to first time Real purchasing players who register at the Casino.
    The Casino will be the sole judge of the 100% Welcome Bonus. We reserve the right, exercisable in its sole discretion to discontinue or cancel or change this offer at any time for any reason whatsoever without notice.
    Players must make a qualified purchase and wager it one time on any game within 72 hours of opening their real account to be eligible for the 100% Welcome Bonus.


    ** So , even though your bonus may in fact be cleared into your cash account (after wagering 30x pre the ezbonus system), you will still have to wager it another 10x and go into playcheck etc etc to make sure you have met it etc etc.

    It just doesnt make sense! :mad:
     
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  2. Oct 4, 2007
  3. Nifty29

    Nifty29 Dormant account

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    Just had an interesting chat with their support, given I was sent an email stating there was a no-deposit bonus in my account.......looks like the EzBonus system may be changing.

     
  4. Oct 4, 2007
  5. GrandMaster

    GrandMaster Ueber Meister CAG

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    Mathematician by day, online gambler by night.
    Location:
    UK
    Pharaoh's Casino

    Btw, it is called Pharaoh's Casino, URL You must register/login in order to see the link.. pharoahscasino.com is a typosquatting site.
     
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  6. Oct 4, 2007
  7. Zoozie

    Zoozie Ueber Meister CAG PABnonaccred

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    Denmark
    It is sad more MG casinos are bending the EZ bonuses just adding more fuel to the already raging bonus confusion going on. The whole bonus system with the 10$ bonus conversion rate does not make sense. The bonus and cash balance should be merged and instead a single wagering bar (like Crypto) should be added.
     
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  8. Oct 4, 2007
  9. chuchu59

    chuchu59 gambling addict CAG PABnonaccred

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    Does this also mean that once the welcome bonus is credited to the bonus account no withdrawals can be made until the bonuses are fully released into the main account?
     
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  10. Oct 4, 2007
  11. liquuid_fusion

    liquuid_fusion Meister Member PABnorogue PABnononaccred2 PABaccred

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    UK
    Some of you may recall I won a big jackpot at Pharaohs a couple of months ago.

    The new MG terms here are 50*B for UK players, or 1000*B if I want to play VP (my favourite casino game). I definately won't be playing here anymore!! :eek2:
     
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  12. Oct 4, 2007
  13. vinylweatherman

    vinylweatherman You type well loads CAG MM

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    They are DELIBERATELY adding confusion where they HAVE THE NECESSARY SOFTWARE OPTIONS.

    EZBonus is operator configurable, and they clearly know this as they have altered the defaults for non-slot games. Casino Action tried out a 50x WR, and altered the EZBonus conversion rate to match. Pharaohs can do this, but seem to like the idea of "screwing" hapless players who make 30x and see everything as withdrawable, but forget that an extra 10x or 20x is needed.

    WTF is all this about British players being a bunch of "abusers":mad:

    What an effing insult - WE are the country who has supported the industry the most, providing an environment for operating companies to float on a major stock exchange, introducing regulation as an example to those countries that would rather introduce prohibition, and UK players have one of the easiest methods of depositing and withdrawing.

    What HAS arisen in the UK is FRAUD, due to loopholes in the identity systems (soon to be plugged), this has NOTHING to do with "promotional abuse", it is players borrowing identities and opening multiple accounts, and it is irrelevant whether they have to wager 40x or 50x - they still won't get paid when caught.

    The reference to "Naden" in the terms indicates this is a Playshare "White Label" casino, and it may be that anyone who has taken the SUB at Grand Mondial or Playshare will not be eligible (even if not on the list).

    We still have not been told what this "Naden" entity is, but since they use it, we should be; even though Playshare run the support.


    Since we Brits abuse all their promotions, here is how we MIGHT do it:D


    1) Place entire bankroll on even money bet.

    2) if win, complete WR at 0.09 per spin on Tally Ho (96%), or could use Sonic Boom at 0.05 x 2 coins (swap between the two if one looks cold).

    (2) will take care of the 250 bets required, and spins can be tallied by the stats counter (under "%" to the left of the coin size in the game) to ensure not to get screwed by the 40x and 50x sneaky WR while EZBonus runs at 30x


    They could STILL void winnings with the "FU Clause", so the need to boost the WR is AGAIN irrelevant and unnecessary, but will lead to more justification for players to get paid using the above.

    PS - the above works for ALL nationalities, not just Danes, Russians, Israelis and Brits as the casino would have you believe:D
     
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  14. Oct 4, 2007
  15. chuchu59

    chuchu59 gambling addict CAG PABnonaccred

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    Thanks for all the info VMW. Now we have a classic case of 'bonus abuse' from the casinos and not the players.
     
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  16. Oct 4, 2007
  17. Zoozie

    Zoozie Ueber Meister CAG PABnonaccred

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    I suggest taking higher than even bet, like #25-36 at roulette etc which pays 3 times money back. If you have the guts and can handle the
    variance, go for a more rare event. I only have the guts for this 33% even. Missing 10 times in a row is not fun :)

    This is better total EV and I have seen T&C stating 'doubling' (or something like that) balance on first bet. which you are not.
     
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  18. Oct 4, 2007
  19. Nifty29

    Nifty29 Dormant account

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    Thanks for the all the replies peeps :)

    I like Zoozie's idea of the bar gauge showing the % of WR met......but then again I guess that probably makes sense and simplifies things, so MG are unlikely to introduce it :cool:

    The CSR I chatted to was implying that their EzBonus system actually works on 40x not 30x, so $10 would be released every $400 in wagers. I didnt know they could actually do that??

    Oh Yeah - when you download and install the casino, the icon says 'Pharoahs Casinos', which clearly isnt the correct name as pointed out by Grandmaster. You would think someone would have double-checked those kinds of things.
     
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  21. vinylweatherman

    vinylweatherman You type well loads CAG MM

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    If so, this is how MG intended operators to run adjustments to defaults. They should also be adjusting the accounts registered from the 4 "thieving" nations to run at 50x - THIS CAN ALSO BE DONE. Jackpot Factory set the EZBonus to work on 15x instead of 30x once you are invited to the VIP Lounge. Casino Action have several tiers, with only 10x for Platinum players, down to at least 30x for new players. This has been moved to 50x (and no withdrawal till full WR met) in the past to combat "clever" players who hit them when EZBonus first came out (even money bet and immediate withdrawal on winning with loss of bonus).

    We are still waiting for the rep to explain "Naden" to us:confused: Is it a verb, a noun, a proper noun, or even a registered trademark of some shady entity that does not want to be associated with casinos, but still wants the profits through a subcontracting arrangement that runs similar to an affiliate deal (x% of player losses).
     
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  22. Oct 4, 2007
  23. GrandMaster

    GrandMaster Ueber Meister CAG

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    There is also "The Gaming License, that governs and defines the use of the casino, through the internet portal www. .com , is held by Naden and regulated by the Kahnawake Gaming Commission." in http://www.pharaohscasino.com/About_Us.aspx. It looks very sloppy.
     
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  24. Oct 4, 2007
  25. KasinoKing

    KasinoKing WebMeister & Slotaholic.. CAG MM PABnonaccred webmeister

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    To be honest, I'm totally amazed that the 'EZ Bonus' system lasted as long as it did.
    Right from the start it was way too player friendly - or to be more precise - way too ruthless bonus abuser friendly.

    By allowing all games to be played at any stakes the casinos were allowing abusers to go straight for the "big bet double up and grind out WR"

    They are trying to combat this - but as per usual they have totally cocked it up again and are now punishing the very players they want to keep (genuine 'normal gamblers') while leaving the door open to the abusers still.
    Increasing the WR to x40 and having a minimum number of hands played will have very little effect on abusers, but is a real turn off for everyone else.

    The casinos are trying to get the best of both worlds - they want the abusers to do the 'big double' and lose, or if they win they're trying to stop them profiting with other, often all too vague, T&C's. This is the very cause of the majority of 'bonus abuse' complaints.

    If they really wanted to stop the abusers the solution is incredibly simple - reduce the betting limits on low-edge games when there are bonus chips in the account to prevent the classic abuse.
    e.g. BlackJack $10/hand max, Roulette $50 table limit, etc...

    I just wish they would hurry up & realise this before ALL MG bonuses become un-playable for genuine players. :(

    Just my 2c ;)
     
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  26. Oct 4, 2007
  27. shjcard

    shjcard Experienced Member

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    Played there, lost my deposit before the non arrival of bonus. Lost it on Harvey's had 10 spins then it gave me another 10 spins won $2. One to avoid methinks. On a positive note played Arthurian last week and doubled my deposit and got my withdrawal in record time, best yet.
     
  28. Oct 4, 2007
  29. Pinababy69

    Pinababy69 RIP Lisa

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    Ahh yes, one of the Playshare White Labels that are supposed to be so good for the industry, and reach far and wide into markets that would be otherwise unreachable. The wording was something to that effect I think. At least this one is identifiable as Playshare, that's a start.

    So, the wagering requirements are 40X now? They have the percentage of play that counts towards each game clearly listed, and I'm assuming they have their standard and bonus T&C's listed? What I'm still waiting for is an answer to this little gem that is on all Playshare/Grand Mondial/Naden sites:

    This was originally posted by Sdaddy in the Bonus Issues Complaints forum on August 15, 2007 AND he PM'd the rep asking for an answer/clarification of this particular clause. Big surprise, no answer. Max Wright (CEO of Playshare) was last here on September 10th, and Mario was last here on September 21st. No reply or clarification from either of them.

    It is possible for promotion abuse to occur even though wagering is compliant with the standard T&C's, and the bonus T&C's? WTF does that mean? So you can follow their rules down to the letter, but still be accused of promotion abuse? And have your winnings confiscated? 40X wagering is bad enough, a clause like this is total bullshit, IMO.

    Max? Mario? Anyone?
     
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  30. Oct 4, 2007
  31. EasyRhino

    EasyRhino Dormant account

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    Yep, that's the perverse thing about trying to goose an sticky (sorry, phantom) type bonus, an even riskier strategy would probably go unnoticed by the casino operator. Hell, just do a couple of $50 spins on a slot machine.
     
  32. Oct 4, 2007
  33. lojo

    lojo Banned User - repetitive violations of <a href="ht

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    Personally, I'm boycotting playshare until this is answered. I'm not calling a boycott as GM is accredited, I'm just saying what I'm doing. They have an opportunity with sdaddy's invitation to comment and clarify to clear the air, and if they want feedback on what players would consider fair terms they can get it right here.

    I have a stupid question, maybe an experienced bonus player can help me wrap my head around this...

    If the WR is 40x why don't they just pay 1/40th of what I win on a wager until the WR are done? Isn't that the same thing?
     
  34. Oct 4, 2007
  35. aka23

    aka23 Dormant account

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    Yes... In another thread, I believe a Playshare rep mentioned that Pharoah's would be switching over on October 1st. I am disappointed with these former Boss casinos, like Player's Club and Pharoah's, are becoming Playshare white labels.
     
  36. Oct 4, 2007
  37. aka23

    aka23 Dormant account

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    The wagering is only 40x with the Playshare group. They made the change a couple months ago.
     
  38. Oct 4, 2007
  39. wangpoker

    wangpoker Experienced Member PABnononaccred2 webmeister

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    read the news yesterday at Pharaoh's casino.
    sad to know it's a white label.
     

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