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Perspectives Weekly 12/05/08

Discussion in 'Casino Industry Discussion' started by Auditor, Dec 6, 2008.

    Dec 6, 2008
  1. Auditor

    Auditor Dormant account

    Occupation:
    APCW.org Auditing Director
    Location:
    APCW Lunar Base
    Last week CBS's 60 Minutes "exposed" our industry with half-truths and spin... now, we're exposing them! Plus, insight on the Kentucky domain name seizure case, and an update on the Gambling Wages Challenge.

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  2. Dec 6, 2008
  3. Sherry

    Sherry Dormant account

    Occupation:
    Retired but a volunteer Staff member of BPU
    Location:
    Canada
    APCW Perspective

    This weeks APCW Perspective was a disappointing report to say the least.
    True the report about the CBS airing was of interest and would have been more
    intelligent and informative without the childish part about Mr.
    Kroft, but
    in retrospect we all who view APCW Perspective have seen Mr.
    Todd more than once behave in childish behaviour.



    I will address the Gambling Wages Report which was in my opinion a diservice
    and disappointing to those of us who were waiting for this report.
    In last weeks APCW Perspective Mr.Todd stated they had done
    a secret audit and would be reporting findings, he also led us
    to believe we would get a full report on Gambling Wages. Auditor
    also stated he had issues with Gambling Wages and would report
    his findings. So where is the report it certainly wasn't in
    this weeks APCW Perspective.

    You stated that the APCW had a philosophical belief in open
    communication, rather a two-faced statement when you yourself
    refused to keep an open line of communication with the Admin
    of BPU or any staff member of BPU, instead referring us to the "Auditor"
    But when it suited your purpose you once again opened the lines
    of communication with a staff member.

    You also stated that you are not sorry that you gave Gambling
    Wages a chance to do the right thing. Well you should be sorry
    and ashamed. I am sure the players are sorry they believed all issues
    were resolved, they are sorry they received the phone calls
    and e-mails stating they would be paid as you sat with Mr. Green and assured
    these players that Gambling wages would pay. They the players
    are sorry it was made public that all issues were resolved as
    they sit and wait for monies that never come. No Mr. Todd the
    players did not put their trust in Gambling Wages they put their trust
    in you and your assurances and you and you alone have failed.

    You are either too blind or too arrogant to face the fact you got played like
    like an old fiddle, in the dealings with Gambling Wages. They told you
    what they wanted you to believe and you fell for it hook line and sinker
    and in doing so not only did a disservice to yourself, but to all the players
    and to all of the people that truly work on behalf of players. I have a
    great deal of respect for honest affiliates, CasinoMeister,BPU and any
    other individual or group that work for the fairness and betterment of
    the on line player. No Mr.Todd in this post you get a big F in all aspects
    of what you do.
     
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  4. Dec 6, 2008
  5. winbig

    winbig Keep winning this amount.

    Occupation:
    Bum
    Location:
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    Re: GW

    I take no pride in saying it, but: we told you so. Now, if you wouldn't have had your head stuck up your #@! and actually listened to us (instead of censoring and cussing people out on Youtube), this would have never been an issue.....ah well. Lesson learned?
     
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  6. Dec 6, 2008
  7. Auditor

    Auditor Dormant account

    Occupation:
    APCW.org Auditing Director
    Location:
    APCW Lunar Base
    We did carry out an audit on GW.
    GW has 15 days to respond to our email. After that we will report the results and their reply.

    ~Anthony
     
  8. Dec 6, 2008
  9. jas2587

    jas2587 Ueber Meister

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    FL
    I doubt he has learned a darn thing
    cept how to hit record an run his lie's er lines

    he used to be at 1 time believable
    but I guess the color Green blinded him
    oh well

    Cindy
     
  10. Dec 6, 2008
  11. Sissy

    Sissy Dormant account

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    Arkansas
    May I be so bold as to ask when this was done and what date do you expect the results? 15 Days from what date please?
     
  12. Dec 6, 2008
  13. dynamitewoman

    dynamitewoman Dormant account

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    retired
    Location:
    roswell,n.m
    audit??

    When and if the audit discloses inappropriate methods of bookeeping or appear as though the books were kept by a circus juggler and a shylock, what next? Will there be recourse for players that are theft victims, an apology to all those that have been slandered and bashed by the illustrious ex-leader of the APCW in his bid to cover up the discrepancies with his whitewashed version of a second chance? Will charges be brought against the responsible parties for committing acts of felony embezzlement?
    Perhaps mr.JTodd can file a suit against them for preying on his innocence and intimidating him with threats, forcing him to support their indecent and illegal operational style using the public platform of utube.
    If lying, name calling, self serving arrogance and breaking trust were punishable offenses, Mr.JTodd would have to pony up some of that green$$ to bail. You know about bailing........dont you Mr.Todd?
    Now lets suppose the audit shows nothing out of the ordinary that could be discerned as probable cause for further investigation.What next? Who masterinded the cheating and trickery that left many depositing players and affiliates without due and rightful payment? Who condoned cheating and lying to amass a fortune off the backs of depositors and trusting agents?
    As far as the response of the GW, that will certainly hold little truth and integrity without factual evidence submitted by an unbiased, knowledgeable, expert third party professional. They are not to be trusted..just ask JTodd.

    Perhaps you may not only have to look at different books, but a whole different library as well.
     
  14. Dec 6, 2008
  15. I BEEN THERE

    I BEEN THERE Dormant account

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    ^%%%*&*^
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    Keep Sniffin ~!
    Just my 2 cents here... but here goes. I simply do not understand anymore why fight to keep something online that is proving everyday with many posts to be a bad thing. The games have changed as has the way people are now treated. WORSE PAYOUTS, LESS BONUS'S, MORE CRAP TO GO THROUGH TO GET PAID ETC.... Don't you think we should be fighting for A REASON TO WANT TO FIGHT ? The past few years have done more proving to be against than for online gaming.
    Don't think for a minute I don't love the games, I do ! But not at today's overall experiences ~~~~~~~!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


    I BEEN THERE
     
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  16. Dec 6, 2008
  17. suzecat

    suzecat Dormant account CAG MM webmeister

    Occupation:
    Retired
    Location:
    California


    :rolleyes: Y A W N N N N ............... zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
     
  18. Dec 6, 2008
  19. Auditor

    Auditor Dormant account

    Occupation:
    APCW.org Auditing Director
    Location:
    APCW Lunar Base
    It is about more than online gambling, it is about personal freedom being taken away. Prohibition does not work.

    You are correct there are a lot of bad things out there. Look at the extensive rouge list here, and it keeps growing. Being well informed is the best defense right now. I also agree the experience now is not what it was. No one should have to worry about getting paid. That is why a legal regulated industry is worth fighting for.
     
  20. Dec 6, 2008
  21. Auditor

    Auditor Dormant account

    Occupation:
    APCW.org Auditing Director
    Location:
    APCW Lunar Base
    Dec. 19th Perspectives Weekly.
     
  22. Dec 6, 2008
  23. I BEEN THERE

    I BEEN THERE Dormant account

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    ^%%%*&*^
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    Keep Sniffin ~!
    Personal freedom is important to us ALL. At first I was pissed the the US got in our business until I realized where the majority of the money is funneled through. We are at WAR over there and I am sure we Americans funding these sites look like terrorist in their own sick & twisted way to many. Regulation is the only way, but as I said before, THE ONLINE SITE(S) ALL need to give us ALL a reason to WANT TO FIGHT. They sure the hell are not doing it now.

    Even the best recommended site is greedy & has its flaws. It is not just about getting paid. It is about the OVERALL play and experience that is equally important. If you don't get much play for your money and the hits are getting worse, you damn sure don't have to worry about getting paid, cause YOU WON'T WIN ~!

    Below is where all USA credit cards/ debit cards and all quicktender transactions are funneled through. The Middle East ~! As an American and wanting my freedoms that are being fought for and that many have died doing, I am finding it hard to fund knowing somewhere a piece of the pie might be somehow contributing to the death of another soldier.
    I certainly wish ( WITH THE BAD ECONOMY ) the US would get their head out of their asses and start TAKING A PIECE BACK ~! If it's not illegal than open up the free world, implement STRONG REGULATONS and make them ALL responsible for their actions FOR EVERYONE ~! This is not just about the USA being ripped, it has trickled down and affected everyone.

    If the Site(s) truly gave a damn and believe they are ALL on the up & up across the board we would not be having this discussion. Sadly, the greed and fear had caused them to become worse than they truly already were.
    If they were and are truly legitimate ( ANY OF THEM ) they would be fighting to keep their players happy just like ANY GOOD BUSINESS ~~!! certainly not what we are seeing and hearing about these days.

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    I BEEN THERE
     
  24. Dec 6, 2008
  25. RobWin

    RobWin closed account

    Occupation:
    Who knows?
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    A Vault!
    What you might not be realizing though is the fact that a hell of a lot of the USA's most affluent business's such as Morgan Stanley (MS) and Goldman Sachs (GS) are becoming heavily invested in Dubai now and so is the US Government...You must register/login in order to see the link.
     
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  26. Dec 7, 2008
  27. jas2587

    jas2587 Ueber Meister

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    are ya sayin Byran has a huge rouge list???

    Cindy
     
  28. Dec 7, 2008
  29. I BEEN THERE

    I BEEN THERE Dormant account

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    Thank you for your 411. As well, is my own bank and Equifax. I only came across my version recently due to my own bank informing me of their new fees for EVERY transaction which can now be back dated to Oct. 28th of this year at 3% on ALL PAST TRANSACTIONS ( compliments of the US Gov't ). They also informed me ( which I knew ) that these transactions are to the Middle East and they are flagged immediately. It just gave me a better perspective as how we (simple)Americans are being viewed by our Gov't.

    I BEEN THERE
     
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  30. Dec 7, 2008
  31. dominique

    dominique Dormant account

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    I wouldn't be throwing all countries that speak a certain language or have a certain religion or are on the same continent or general region in one pot.

    IMO it's a very dangerous thing to judge on such generalities, it's the base of all racism and all holy wars and all genocide.
     
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  32. Dec 7, 2008
  33. I BEEN THERE

    I BEEN THERE Dormant account

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    Duly noted.

    In my OWN opinion and watching 911 repeatedly on TV & in my head and having a son all over the Middle East, it is very dangerous not to. What do you think India feels at the moment ? You can NEVER be too cautious and in most cases the apple never falls too far from the tree.

    I BEEN THERE
     
  34. Dec 7, 2008
  35. dominique

    dominique Dormant account

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    webmistress
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    The Boonies
    India and Pakistan have been quarreling forever.

    Nothing new there, it's between the two of them and has nothing to do with Dubai.

    That's like saying that when a 16 year old gets himself a gun and shoots up a school, we need to imprison all 16 year olds.
     
  36. Dec 7, 2008
  37. I BEEN THERE

    I BEEN THERE Dormant account

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    Dom,
    With all due respect I base my opinion on the USA happenings and my post was stated because of where MY OWN money funneled through told to me BY MY OWN BANK. I said that about India simply because they too wanted to believe it was not the pakistanians but.............
    As for your statement of a 16 year old shooting up school. Well, in this country MILLIONS of schools have taken precautions since that very thing happened here more than once. You simply can NEVER be too cautious.

    Now, if you don't mind. I posted originally to post my thoughts on WHY NOT TO JOIN THE FIGHT at the moment. Until the PAYING PLAYERS ( ALL OF THEM GREEN, YELLOW, BLACK, WHITE, ENGLISH, AMERCIAN, AUSTRALIAN, ETC................ start to be treated better, what is really worth fighting for ? We obviously are already free enough to get screwed. It is WAY OVERDUE the gaming sites step up and start taking some responsibility for their piss poor behaviors.

    I BEEN THERE
     
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  38. Dec 10, 2008
  39. dynamitewoman

    dynamitewoman Dormant account

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    roswell,n.m

    This is a great idea that everyone should be paid...but the fact that this problem exists demonstrates that policing up the industry is something the players, webmasters, gambling portals, software developers should be focusing in on to eliminate. Regulation would curb much of the corruption and provide standard operational requirements be met, but unfortunately there are those that will find a way to circumvent government mandated policy. The sites that cheat people, have no real valid licensing, and use bogus logos to claim authenication, etc. are operating under the auspices of groups and agenda based entities. The sites are merely taking advantage of an opportunity to avail themselves of schemes and "acceptable" avenues to create revenue whatever way they can.Regulation may impose problematic issues, but a cheat is a cheat, and fixes will be applied to continue under the guise of a regulated site.
    As it is now,the authority and promoter of every site is the player and those who advocate and support every site. Permssion to cheat is given through participation by all that knowingly, or through ignorance, advocate, advertise or hype a relatively unknow entity in the world of online gaming.
     
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