Personal attacks need to stop.

[Shyguy]

I am writing this because I am just fed up with going on casino related forums to find one member personally attacking another. Private matters should be kept private and not sprawled across forums like graffiti.

Issues with casinos are fine, that's why this forum was created, but attacking other members and calling them anything under the sun just shows the intelligence level of some members.

These slagging fests that start should be nipped in the bud immediately and to a certain extent the mods should jump on this immediately rather than let it string on. There seems to be quite a few mods on this forum and should a post look to be personally attacking another member, then the thread should be deleted, the poster then warned or banned straight away.

I find it hard to believe that certain threads can go on for such a long time before posters are banned and feel that some these threads are just used as entertainment value for the masses.

Most, if not all forums state that that sort of behaviour will not be tolerated but unfortunately it is......for a bit. I hope this changes.

 

[WagerWitch]

I am writing this because I am just fed up with going on casino related forums to find one member personally attacking another. Private matters should be kept private and not sprawled across forums like graffiti.

Issues with casinos are fine, that's why this forum was created, but attacking other members and calling them anything under the sun just shows the intelligence level of some members.

These slagging fests that start should be nipped in the bud immediately and to a certain extent the mods should jump on this immediately rather than let it string on. There seems to be quite a few mods on this forum and should a post look to be personally attacking another member, then the thread should be deleted, the poster then warned or banned straight away.

I find it hard to believe that certain threads can go on for such a long time before posters are banned and feel that some these threads are just used as entertainment value for the masses.

Most, if not all forums state that that sort of behaviour will not be tolerated but unfortunately it is......for a bit. I hope this changes.

I think it is more insidious than that.

I think what happens is that people forget the difference between right and wrong.

I think... and this is just me... that people become de-sensitized to the situation because they've seen it before and well nothing happened.... so why should they bother.

I think - and again this is only my own personal thoughts on this matter - that people have become more prone to enjoying the dramafest - than regulating humanity within the forums.

That's not to say I haven't been "bad" or anything - I certainly have stepped on people's toes... But I admit my mistakes and I do mean well... And I do try to learn from my mistakes.

I also try to NEVER hurt people. I'm not perfect -but I believe most of the time I live my life that way both online and off.

I am wordy - which can irritate people - but that is what forums are for - are they not? To communicate. Some people say "Yes." Some people say "Yes, but I think...." Me... I say "Most of the time yes... sometimes maybe and sometimes no and here are the reasons why.... etc." LOL!

I know my faults.

But the last three days now have been undesirable for me - and the desired effect of these posts were to MAKE ME GO AWAY...

Plain and simple.

Not one person stood up for me - and that hurt my feelings beyond belief. I know I can't possibly be the ONLY person to have seen the attacks.

Still - I was even more amazed that the moderators didn't see the posts as the attacks they clearly were... Which I don't understand.

Have they become so used to that being the "NORM" around here?

Bashing people? Not their words mind you - BASHING THE PERSON.

OK - not outright bashing - but underhanded cuts and snipes - which come on people... you know as well as I do that is EXACTLY what they were...

And I'm not the first person it has happened to.

No -- seriously - I'm not going to do the work for you - go do it yourselves - go read past posts...

Go on... spend some time in it... Unless you already observed it first hand...

I just can't believe all the people I have dealt with all of these years literally stood by quietly during this.

I'm shocked a little and hurt a lot.

 

[Simmo!]

Moving my other post into here as it's more relevant:

I think a lot of what is said here and in other threads, well its not *what* someone says, but the way in which they say it.

In the majority of cases, people are banned from forums, become disliked, attract conflict or lose the respect of others without realising that this is the reason. You often see posts from banned posters on other forums saying they were banned because they said something out of turn, when in fact it was how they said it and more often than not, their lack of respect for other people's opinions.

If everyone took on the philosophy of reading their own posts back putting themselves in a) the recipients position and b) a casual observer's position, they would probably recognise the antagonism a lot easier and the quality of posts, debates and even arguments would become a whole lot better and would also probably achieve more.

It's human nature to think that you're right and the other guy's wrong. It's how you negotiate that obstacle that determines the end result.

It's like the phrase "the customer is always right". We all know that's bollocks but it's misinterpreted. What it means is "the customer needs to think they are always right". The same principle applies in most conversations where there are conflicting opinions and if your aim is to get something from the other person, or to get them to alter their opinion, you often need to present a case in a way which they feel means that they don't lose face.

My advice would be to read your posts back before you post them and see how you would react if it was aimed at you. That will help avoid a lot of the nastyness IMO.

Cheers,

Simmo!

 

[Simmo!]

...to a certain extent the mods should jump on this immediately rather than let it string on. There seems to be quite a few mods on this forum and should a post look to be personally attacking another member...

Still - I was even more amazed that the moderators didn't see the posts as the attacks they clearly were... Which I don't understand.

It's difficult as a moderator to know where individuals draw the line. The best I can do is to judge on how I would react...it's not perfect but it's about the best I can do without understanding people's thresholds.

I deliberately don't take part in confrontations, partly because I feel as a moderator it could get awkward, partly because I feel the best way of treating people who are rude and abnoxious is simply to ignore them.

When I see posters responding to criticism, I make a judgement based on their attitude: if I see sensible and considered responses, I keep a close eye and might delete / edit posts etc if the criticism gets too personal. If they show aggression back, I leave them to fight it out. Invariably it ends in tears but you make your bed IMO. A *lot* of posters here report posts they feel are unfair too and that plays a big part. This thread currently has zero open complaints for what it's worth.

IMO if you want to be confrontational, then you have to be prepared to take it too.

I don't see my role as Moderator as being a nanny though and I certainly don't read every post and thread - I'd never get any work done! If someone has a problem with another poster and asks for help, I'll take a look and decide what action should be taken, but please don't expect me to take sides and fight battles because that's not what we're here for.

Gambling, like politics, is emotional and will attract all sorts. You have to trust participants to use their best judgement in participating but at the end of the day I'm happy to step in if a poster PM's me asking for me to look into something or reports a post. I appreciate a lot of people find it difficult to deal with criticism and I also abhor rudeness, but it's a two-way street.

If you think someone has been rude, report the post. We don't/can't read everything but we'll happily look into it. Until today I haven't been following your situation WW so I don't really fully know what it's about I'm afraid and no-one's reported anything which is unusual in threads where attacks are getting personal.

Cheers

Simmo!

 

[WagerWitch]

It's difficult as a moderator to know where individuals draw the line. The best I can do is to judge on how I would react...it's not perfect but it's about the best I can do without understanding people's thresholds.

I deliberately don't take part in confrontations, partly because I feel as a moderator it could get awkward, partly because I feel the best way of treating people who are rude and abnoxious is simply to ignore them.

When I see posters responding to criticism, I make a judgement based on their attitude: if I see sensible and considered responses, I keep a close eye and might delete / edit posts etc if the criticism gets too personal. If they show aggression back, I leave them to fight it out. Invariably it ends in tears but you make your bed IMO. A *lot* of posters here report posts they feel are unfair too and that plays a big part. This thread currently has zero open complaints for what it's worth.

IMO if you want to be confrontational, then you have to be prepared to take it too.

I don't see my role as Moderator as being a nanny though and I certainly don't read every post and thread - I'd never get any work done! If someone has a problem with another poster and asks for help, I'll take a look and decide what action should be taken, but please don't expect me to take sides and fight battles because that's not what we're here for.

Gambling, like politics, is emotional and will attract all sorts. You have to trust participants to use their best judgement in participating but at the end of the day I'm happy to step in if a poster PM's me asking for me to look into something or reports a post. I appreciate a lot of people find it difficult to deal with criticism and I also abhore rudeness, but it's a two-way street.

If you think someone has been rude, report the post. We don't/can't read everything but we'll happily look into it. Until today I haven't been following your situation so I don't really fully know what it's about I'm afraid and no-one's reported anything which is unusual in threads where attacks are getting personal.

Cheers

Simmo!

Interesting.

I think it's because it has happened before and nothing was done. And even currently it's being "pooh poohed" off as if it was NO BIG deal.

But it was a big deal to me.

I mean - don't get me wrong - I can handle my own... And sheesh - Simmo - If it gets THAT bad - I can ALWAYS (grin) Out type anyone on this forum with the exclusion of JHV...

Perhaps my style of posting irritates some - but realistically that has never been grounds for the situation that has occurred in the last couple of days.

In my humble opinion MY situation started with the WANNABET POST - to the 3dice post by Funeral (who we made up by the way) - and then I posted an affiliate question - which got completely derailed --- and then the 4.4 post...

I mean - it's a lotta reading - but if you know the background on folks - and you know the comments made - then you get the picture.

I cannot - and am not the ONLY person who sees it.

And I was shocked at the lack of response.

Probably because people got that deer in the headlight look - or maybe the popcorn tasted really good - I dunno.

But what I do know is that if this is NORMAL behavior and acceptable behavior then I am not sure what I think of that.

I believe it was a organized group of "we're gonna do this to this person"...

Call me paranoid if you will - but then go read the comments - and then --- take a day to read thru those SAME people comments -- to others - and where those people are now... hmmmm methinks most are gone - or they've slipped under the "PROTECTION - OF THOSE WHO FORCED THEM THERE" THUMBS...

I'm not about to be forced to do anything I don't believe in.

And I'm not gonna take being treated like dog meat by someone because I refuse to bow down to them.

IN all HONESTY - I truly appreciate you locking the thread - because it wasn't going to go anywhere... It would be one person saying "get your head together - you're crazy - nothing was said about YOU" and me saying "yes there was - and I'm not crazy I'm also not stupid... " and so on and so forth.

You're absolutely right - I have 2 or 3 choices - I can leave and say no sweat off my figurative testicles... or I can stay and keep trying to be ME... or I can try and stop this from happening to ME again by confronting and dealing with it - and putting it out for everyone to see...

Remember - some of it has to do with timing... So - if you don't get the concept completely - but can feel it a little bit... You're missing the timing element...

ANYHOW - thanks for trying to understand it...

I'm sure there are other points of view - but right now I can only see my point of view.

Not that I think I'm perfectly right - but I know beyond a shadow of a doubt that I am not ALL wrong.

 

[Simmo!]

Cool

Qwerty has a point that this is happening a lot here recently. Strong personalities and all that...but I'd urge everyone to step back for a moment at times.

Waiting 30 minutes before answering a post that makes you steam can have a very positive effect.

 

[anniemac]

I agree with the original poster. This snipping at each other has got to stop. I personally am getting pretty fed up with reading about people making jabs and rude comments, some being down right nasty. When it gets personal, that's enough.

Let's get back to the purpose of this forum and quit the other crap.

 

[LaurieJim]

Webzcas said something in a thread that alot of people should always remember and adhere to but dont before they type, behind a computer is a live person.

A computer can be a powerful tool or it can be used as a weapon by some to be hurtful and spiteful without giving cause that the someone who sits there reading that computer screen has feelings and emotions as well.

I think your a great person and poster WW and we can agree to disagree on certain things as no two people think alike, this is a good thing imo.

Whats not good is to get caught up in a feeding frenzy brought on by some and that can be due to a fault in human nature as we all have been guilty of it at one time or another and if i for one have hurt your feelings in any way, im truely sorry, im trying to picture the person behind the keyboard from now on

Laurie

 

[Dangerous53]

I agree with OP as well, and I already stated in another thread....

We all have differing opinions on a variety of subjects, but there is no need for that kind of abuse in the forums. I thought we were all here for a common goal, to make Igaming a more informed better and safer experience, but it seems some have lost their focus.

/opinion

 

[WagerWitch]

Webzcas said something in a thread that alot of people should always remember and adhere to but dont before they type, behind a computer is a live person.

A computer can be a powerful tool or it can be used as a weapon by some to be hurtful and spiteful without giving cause that the someone who sits there reading that computer screen has feelings and emotions as well.

I think your a great person and poster WW and we can agree to disagree on certain things as no two people think alike, this is a good thing imo.

Whats not good is to get caught up in a feeding frenzy brought on by some and that can be due to a fault in human nature as we all have been guilty of it at one time or another and if i for one have hurt your feelings in any way, im truely sorry, im trying to picture the person behind the keyboard from now on

Laurie

Aggg posting from bed on cell... LMAO can't sleep anyways.

Thank you much.

I agree so much about being able to debate and share opinions without personal hurt... and that everyone has feelings behind the computer screens.

And hells no I don't want everyone thinking the same way as my opinion.. I would never learn anything.. I love a good debate or conversation where people have differing opinions and share them. OPENLY. Without the need to be ridiculed.

Ok really I have to close my eyes now...

But EVERYONE. Know this... I think we should be a community controlled by caring friendship... hospitality... kindness.... instead of being driven by anger hatred and vindictiveness...

I think I am part of this communty for we are not just CM but gamblers online...

 

[Simmo!]

LOL...I don't think we need a love-in It's just about respecting other people's opinions. Also, when you are "arguing", if you show tact, diplomacy and respect, you are far more likely to get a result going your way. Plus impartial observers will appreciate you more for it.

So in essence, you can still *think* they're an a-hole...just don't show it

 

[bb28]

I don't even know where to start......but I'm hoping I can convey my thoughts clearly.

First off........about the mob mentality that Wager Witch insists there is That's total BS! WW is the one who kept insisiting that it was a personal attack and it clearly was not and I think anyone could see that had she not kept insisting that it was over and over and now it's the poor me thing, others are picking on me. When I started that thread last night I should have titled it differently but it was not aimed at her, it was a question posed to players and affiliates but because of the title of it, there she went.....on and on in post after post defending herself and going on and on about some personal attack. It just was not true......wasn't then, and its still not today.
This is all a big bunch of shit!

Is it a mob because you agree with someone or you thank their post because they have made some points you agree with? Mob mentality my azz and yes I happen to agree with Lisa/Pina and others on a lot of things does that make us a mob, no, does that make us like minded and having similar views, yes I guess it does, but last time I checked, that isn't a crime nor is it breaking the rules here. Who the hell has time for kindergarten games. I don't. Am I outspoken sometimes, yes sometimes I am, do I piss people off sometimes, yes I'm sure I do, but its not because of some personal vendetta, I've got better things to do. I have an opinion and last time I checked it's OK to have one even if it isn't the popular format or god forbid it might hurt someone's feelings. I don't try to be downright mean and snooty about it, but there are times when someone needs to say what others are thinking but they won't say it because they don't want to ruffle feathers, so excuse me for not being PC enough in this post.

 

[RedAndi]

I have hesitated in responding to this because I did not want to contribute to the shitstorm and I am not really up on all the issues with the people invilved, etc.
However, I did want to say that what Pina posted about the rule and rogue sites and affiliates seemed pretty rational and fair to me.
AGAIN, I do not know the background of the peeps involved or if there were ulterior motives or whatever.
But to me it seems logical if a casino is rogued (or on the rogue page for whatever reason) you probably should be wary of linking to it. If I was an affiliate maybe I would feel the same as Witch and wait and give the casino a chance (it is business after all), but I don't think I would have gotten so angry about the rule being brought up.

 

[just play]

I'm glad you read Simmo's post right above yours.


This is what is going to happen now...the people that were saying insulting stuff to other people will come here and try and place blame like they did nothing wrong. "It was just my opinion, I have an opinion too, I'm allowed to agree with others" etc. etc. etc.

That my dear is Total BS

 

[bb28]

I'm glad you read Simmo's post right above yours.


This is what is going to happen now...the people that were saying insulting stuff to other people will come here and try and place blame like they did nothing wrong. "It was just my opinion, I have an opinion too, I'm allowed to agree with others" etc. etc. etc.

That my dear is Total BS

Sorry I'm not in on the love in or the group hug. Want to show me the post where I insulted WW? BTW.......I did apologize to her when she felt that I singled her out even though I didn't. This has gone beyond that and there have been some pot shots taken at me in this thread, so what do you think I'm supposed to do, not say what I think and feel?

 

[just play]

Sorry I'm not in on the love in or the group hug. Want to show me the post where I insulted WW? BTW.......I did apologize to her when she felt that I singled her out even though I didn't. This has gone beyond that and there have been some pot shots taken at me in this thread, so what do you think I'm supposed to do, not say what I think and feel?

I don't want to get into it, just re-read your above post.

 

[Simmo!]

Is anyone else seeing the irony in this thread

 

[bb28]

Is anyone else seeing the irony in this thread

I see it, but it might not be the same one you see.

 

[AussieDave]

Is anyone else seeing the irony in this thread

ummm yes


Was reading another thread and this was said. It's certainly true for this medium; it's spot on

Perhaps I am just reading it wrong (that happens when you just read flat words on a screen and don't get a speakers inflection).

There are times when peeps get hot under the collar and things get said, insults fly and it turns into a flame feast. Get a couple of 1000 peeps all with different opinions and someone is going to misinterpret a post(s).

Unfortunately that's the nature of the beast.

IMO you can set a forum up with every safe guard imaginable but people have personalities they are not robots.


Cheers



Dave

 

[NASHVEGAS]

I'm glad you read Simmo's post right above yours.


This is what is going to happen now...the people that were saying insulting stuff to other people will come here and try and place blame like they did nothing wrong. "It was just my opinion, I have an opinion too, I'm allowed to agree with others" etc. etc. etc.

That my dear is Total BS

I realize each post stands on it's own merit and it takes only one post to damage.

That said, blame me for my initial post that was arrogant, sarcastic, opininated and factual among other descriptions. There was also a sincere apology (thus the two smilies) for my arrogance in this same post plus an acknowledgement that I could understand how one could be confused by the categories of The Rogue Pit in defense of Wagerwitch's possible misunderstanding(s) and thereby my possible incorrect insinuations.

After my initial post, I am not sure how you (or anyone else) can single out anyone. It took more than one party on what at times simply was absurd, insane and granted much more. There were voices of reason during the chaos including BB's (but that is JMO).

The above said, just for giggles, I did count (+ or-) the number of hanging chads aka number of posts that occurred in the two threads by the main culprits after my initial post less than 24 hours ago. The only conclusion from below, imo , is the finger can be pointed at all et al.

WW=40
BB=13
Pina=9
NashV=4
JSteed=4

 

[Simmo!]

IMO you can set a forum up with every safe guard imaginable but people have personalities they are not robots.

True. True. And without them forums would be boring places. But there is still no excuse for rudeness IMO.

 

[AussieDave]

But there is still no excuse for rudeness IMO.

Blatant rudeness and nastiness, no.

But if one is attacked in this manner, one should have the right to defend one self too.
Because 9 time out 10 it's a persons character that's being pumbled. And unlike spoken words, posts remain.


Cheers



Dave

 

[anniemac]

Fine example of reading what you wrote before hitting submit button. I wrote an long and wordy reply about how I feel about this mess. However, when I reread it, I deleted it.

Here's the simple truth, if you don't want it said to you, don't say it to someone else. Simple courtesy, tact and manners should be used in every post. Agree to disagree and move on.

 

[Simmo!]

Of course you have the right to respond. But two wrongs don't make a right. Being rude back just puts you on the same level as the originator in my book.

 

[kauphy]

i,ve seen it happen more then once on this site. people get hammered really bad by alot of the people on here who r in the click. i,ve seen people who have never posted on here before get ripped apart caz they did,nt post right or said something that they should,nt have. when all that had to be done was to tell them to go read the rules and then come back and post. i feel so bad for some of these people caz they r just ripped apart and when i read the post i could never understand why people went off on them but them again i,m not in the click and i,m not a shark going nuts over blood that has been spilled in the water. p.s it has happened to me a number of times when all i was doing was making a statement.

 

[Simmo!]

I must admit it pisses me off sometimes when new posters get treated badly. IMO people should be given the benefit of the doubt unless its 100% blatant spam or shilling.

I don't like the term cliques (clicks, whatever) myself - it's simply a term that describes like-minded people but has become a "last-resort" insult.

 

[Mousey]

Is anyone else seeing the irony in this thread

:notworthy

My only comment is to remind people that the IGNORE button is your friend. It doesn't mean you're a coward or running away when you put someone on ignore. It means you're grown up enough to turn off something (someone) that causes you irritation/stress/anger/whatever.

God knows, my life has enough bull crap in it for me to deal with ... I don't want to wade through more in here. LOL So if someone's posts repeatedly rub me the wrong way... I take a chill pill and turn to my friend, the Ignore button.

that's mousey's 2 cents.

P.S. ... And everyone, please take a Valium, a shot of Jack, and chill... Please? I don't know how many people VBulletin will let me put on Ignore...

 

[bb28]

I must admit it pisses me off sometimes when new posters get treated badly. IMO people should be given the benefit of the doubt unless its 100% blatant spam or shilling.

I don't like the term cliques (clicks, whatever) myself - it's simply a term that describes like-minded people but has become a "last-resort" insult.

Re: Cliques and such.......This will probably be the last thing I say on this because I've got more important things to do than bicker here, but I do resent some of the innuendos made and one totally wrong statement made by WW. Being put into what ever group some of you think I and others belong to is an insult, it's an insult to me as a individual who has their own thoughts and opinions.

I believe it was a organized group of "we're gonna do this to this person"...

Does anyone else honestly feel that a group (and it's pretty clear that I'm included in that group or clique) would have the time or the forethought to plot and plan to attack you or anyone else here? That is the most ridiculous, insane thing I've ever heard.
I pretty much say whatever it is off the cuff, I don't consult with anyone nor ask their opinion about it, well sometimes after the fact, but not before I post. Do I have similar views as others on here, yes I do, do I agree with every word someone says, no. Does it depend on the subject matter, yes it does. Do I tend to thank people's posts who I identify with and agree with....yes, isn't that the purpose of the thanks button? Does it mean I agree with every word that is written when I thank a post.......no, but it does mean I agree with the general thought. Yes.

Sometimes I don't cut people the slack I should and sometimes I say something snarky......but to imply that there is a group here who's sole purpose is to cut other people is absurd or a group that is here be hard on the newbies is crazy. I remember I was once a newbie too and frankly this place intimidated me at first. I felt like a fish out of water for a long time. Hey I'm not perfect......I'm the first to tell you so, but there have been a lot of things said and implied that is way over the top.

 

[AussieDave]

I don't like the term cliques (clicks, whatever) myself - it's simply a term that describes like-minded people but has become a "last-resort" insult.

IMO used in the context of a forum thread that has gone pear shaped & or referring to a group of forum members, the word clique is almost always said with derogatory undertones.


Cheers



Dave

 

[AussieDave]

But two wrongs don't make a right. Being rude back just puts you on the same level as the originator in my book.

Your right...two wrongs don't make a right.

However if we're talking just about this forum, I can't recall anytime that your character has come under fire. And if it did, I'm sure plenty would defend you and the poster would be jumped on.

However some people don't have that luxury.

Just some food for thought



Cheers



Dave

 

[KasinoKing]

Not one person stood up for me - and that hurt my feelings beyond belief. I know I can't possibly be the ONLY person to have seen the attacks.

Well I made a post in the "Rule 4.4" (or whatever it is called) thread supporting you and you turned around and started having a go at me like I was attacking you!
(Couldn't reply there because it's been closed).

I suggest you go back to that thread and read what I said again, and read your replies to me.
Your last post was:

Wait - hold on...

Maybe here would be a better QUESTION:

DO YOU THINK THE TREATMENT DISPLAYED BY SEVERAL PEOPLE TOWARDS ME WAS WARRANTED, JUSTIFIED OR NECESSARY?

No, it was not.

But equally your multiple posts in "defending yourself" from these "attacks" were also not warranted, justified or necessary.
One or two would have done the job.
That's why I suggested you turn off the computer and do something else for a few hours to give you time to reflect and maybe realise this situation is no where near as bad as you thought it was.
Believe me - I have been there, done that, got the T-shirt!

KK

 

[AussieDave]

That's why I suggested you turn off the computer and do something else for a few hours to give you time to reflect and maybe realise this situation is no where near as bad as you thought it was.
Believe me - I have been there, done that, got the T-shirt

Granted it's the sensible thing to do but not everyone can do this. I myself have a hard time doing this. It doesn't mean I'm weak, it just means I'm wired differently.


Cheers



Dave

 

[kauphy]

Re: Cliques and such.......This will probably be the last thing I say on this because I've got more important things to do than bicker here, but I do resent some of the innuendos made and one totally wrong statement made by WW. Being put into what ever group some of you think I and others belong to is an insult, it's an insult to me as a individual who has their own thoughts and opinions.

Does anyone else honestly feel that a group (and it's pretty clear that I'm included in that group or clique) would have the time or the forethought to plot and plan to attack you or anyone else here? That is the most ridiculous, insane thing I've ever heard.
I pretty much say whatever it is off the cuff, I don't consult with anyone nor ask their opinion about it, well sometimes after the fact, but not before I post. Do I have similar views as others on here, yes I do, do I agree with every word someone says, no. Does it depend on the subject matter, yes it does. Do I tend to thank people's posts who I identify with and agree with....yes, isn't that the purpose of the thanks button? Does it mean I agree with every word that is written when I thank a post.......no, but it does mean I agree with the general thought. Yes.

Sometimes I don't cut people the slack I should and sometimes I say something snarky......but to imply that there is a group here who's sole purpose is to cut other people is absurd or a group that is here be hard on the newbies is crazy. I remember I was once a newbie too and frankly this place intimidated me at first. I felt like a fish out of water for a long time. Hey I'm not perfect......I'm the first to tell you so, but there have been a lot of things said and implied that is way over the top.

o.k for one thing that is not how i meant it when i said there is a click on here.(sorrie if you and whoever eles took it to mean that) but no matter how i say it someone is going to take it wrong. but what i mean imho is that the people that have been on here the longest seems to me to stick together. not always but alot of the time it looks that way to me but thats just me caz i had it aimed at me before. and as i said before i have seen new people get ripped apart by people who i have seen in other treads stick together and jump on people together. no i don,t think they single out one person to jump on caz i don,t belive that would be allowed to con if that was the case. but i did belive there is a click just like you have in high school and at work and anywhere eles that people are and have come to know each other really well.

 

[Kenny Lingus]

From now on, when feelings are hurt, just blame it all on me.

My ex-wives did, so I'm used to it.

And maybe blame, Nash Vegas, too, 'cause I think he deserves it.

 

[Redbush54]

I thought long and hard before I finally decided to post but I'm going to say how I feel......

I have posted a few times and felt the responses I have received were based on who I was associated/or worked with. I'm here to learn as I'm new to this business. I feel I have a right to an opinion just as everyone else. I don't like yelling matches so choose not too post for fear I might say something wrong.

And I will agree with kaughy........you may not think it's a "clic" but to someone new that's what I thought the first time I was here. When "certain people" start slamming a poster "others" follow and slam too. If "certain people" don't post than the "others" don't either. (Don't ask for nicks cause I'm not going there)

I'm not here to slam anyone......and would hope when I ask a question or joined in on a discussion, that the responses would be in a civil manner and not what appears to be the "norm" for the past few months.

Thank you for reading how "I" feel.......now I'll go back to my hole and read quietly.

 

[kauphy]

I thought long and hard before I finally decided to post but I'm going to say how I feel......

I have posted a few times and felt the responses I have received were based on who I was associated/or worked with. I'm here to learn as I'm new to this business. I feel I have a right to an opinion just as everyone else. I don't like yelling matches so choose not too post for fear I might say something wrong.

And I will agree with kaughy........you may not think it's a "clic" but to someone new that's what I thought the first time I was here. When "certain people" start slamming a poster "others" follow and slam too. If "certain people" don't post than the "others" don't either. (Don't ask for nicks cause I'm not going there)

I'm not here to slam anyone......and would hope when I ask a question or joined in on a discussion, that the responses would be in a civil manner and not what appears to be the "norm" for the past few months.

Thank you for reading how "I" feel.......now I'll go back to my hole and read quietly.

THANK YOU. you took the words right out of my mouth. i could,nt for the life of me put it into the right words. but you did and you did it very very well. ditto for me what he or she said:notworthy

 

[AussieDave]

I feel I have a right to an opinion just as everyone else.

Your right every member here has or should have a right to their opinion. Though sometimes I think people confuse opinions with facts.

Neither are the same.

I'm here to learn as I'm new to this business.

Your certainly at the right place because there are players at CM with years of industry experience. There are also webmasters with years and years of background knowledge too; info that goes way back back to the early days.

Sometimes there maybe a thread that calls for past information. It's these type of threads that can sometimes get heated, especially when a person may post about something they no little or nothing about.

It's times like these that feathers may get ruffled.

Easy to say but don't take it personally.

The other thing that generally gets peeps round here narky, like most forums, are posts with a hidden agenda. Maybe they see it like a cloaked Shill.



Cheers



Dave

 

[just play]

I realize each post stands on it's own merit and it takes only one post to damage.

That said, blame me for my initial post that was arrogant, sarcastic, opininated and factual among other descriptions. There was also a sincere apology (thus the two smilies) for my arrogance in this same post plus an acknowledgement that I could understand how one could be confused by the categories of The Rogue Pit in defense of Wagerwitch's possible misunderstanding(s) and thereby my possible incorrect insinuations.

After my initial post, I am not sure how you (or anyone else) can single out anyone. It took more than one party on what at times simply was absurd, insane and granted much more. There were voices of reason during the chaos including BB's (but that is JMO).

The above said, just for giggles, I did count (+ or-) the number of hanging chads aka number of posts that occurred in the two threads by the main culprits after my initial post less than 24 hours ago. The only conclusion from below, imo , is the finger can be pointed at all et al.

WW=40
BB=13
Pina=9
NashV=4
JSteed=4

I didn't want to single anyone out, but bb28 was the first to post something downright mean after everything seemed to turn around. Bb28 was certainly NOT the only one throwing stones.

I'm 100% possitive if it was you that made that first post after everything seemed to be chilled, I would have replied exactly the same way to you.

I just call them like I see them, I do not belong to any clique/group/what have you (and yes of course they exist here, why is that a bad thing? people that get along in real life hang out, so why wouldn't they hang out on a forum?) so I just sorta do my own thing, and post and reply to everyone.

Also, I have never spoke (written) one word to WW, I just REALLY hate when someone is being kicked in the face over and over again and no one says anything about it.

I'm not here to slam anyone......and would hope when I ask a question or joined in on a discussion, that the responses would be in a civil manner and not what appears to be the "norm" for the past few months.

This is how I feel also.

to RedBush54

 

[bb28]

I didn't want to single anyone out, but bb28 was the first to post something downright mean after everything seemed to turn around. Bb28 was certainly NOT the only one throwing stones.

I'm 100% possitive if it was you that made that first post after everything seemed to be chilled, I would have replied exactly the same way to you.

I just call them like I see them, I do not belong to any clique/group/what have you (and yes of course they exist here, why is that a bad thing? people that get along in real life hang out, so why wouldn't they hang out on a forum?) so I just sorta do my own thing, and post and reply to everyone.

Also, I have never spoke (written) one word to WW, I just REALLY hate when someone is being kicked in the face over and over again and no one says anything about it.




This is how I feel also.

to RedBush54

Since you said I posted something "mean", below is the the 1st post I made that I assume you are referring to. WHAT in the hell was mean about it? I asked a question. Furthermore I didn't kick WW in the face over and over again and I don't appreciate you saying I did. I thought I responded quite calmly and I wasn't the one who got all bent out of shape nor was there some mob (who I'm supposed to be a part of) out to get her.

You know...........if I did something wrong, I'd be glad to admit it, but I didn't, so put that in your pipe and smoke it.

I can't respond over there since the post has been moved, but I would like to here.
[Max says: threads have since been merged together]
What I'm going to say has been said many times before but I just wanted to reiterate due to the recent thread where Wager Witch felt she was being put on the spot by Nash. I know it's about personal choice, but yet one shouldn't expect not to get called on the carpet here if it's a known rogue and you as an affiliate are actively promoting them.
If you are going to be a responsible affiliate and you are an active poster here at CM, the bar is raised a little higher as to your standards and ethics regarding who you promote. Maybe it's not fair but that's the way it seems to be here. Active affiliates here at meisterland should adhere to CM's rogue list........agree or disagree?

 

[just play]

No, I am referring to this post.....

First off........about the mob mentality that Wager Witch insists there is That's total BS! WW is the one who kept insisiting that it was a personal attack and it clearly was not and I think anyone could see that had she not kept insisting that it was over and over and now it's the poor me thing, others are picking on me. When I started that thread last night I should have titled it differently but it was not aimed at her, it was a question posed to players and affiliates but because of the title of it, there she went.....on and on in post after post defending herself and going on and on about some personal attack. It just was not true......wasn't then, and its still not today.
This is all a big bunch of shit!

Is it a mob because you agree with someone or you thank their post because they have made some points you agree with? Mob mentality my azz and yes I happen to agree with Lisa/Pina and others on a lot of things does that make us a mob, no, does that make us like minded and having similar views, yes I guess it does, but last time I checked, that isn't a crime nor is it breaking the rules here. Who the hell has time for kindergarten games. I don't. Am I outspoken sometimes, yes sometimes I am, do I piss people off sometimes, yes I'm sure I do, but its not because of some personal vendetta, I've got better things to do. I have an opinion and last time I checked it's OK to have one even if it isn't the popular format or god forbid it might hurt someone's feelings. I don't try to be downright mean and snooty about it, but there are times when someone needs to say what others are thinking but they won't say it because they don't want to ruffle feathers, so excuse me for not being PC enough in this post.
__________________

I only smoke Marbs


Edit...I never said you kicked her in the face over and over again, I said I didn't like when people are kicked in the face., etc....

 

[bb28]

No, I am referring to this post.....



I only smoke Marbs

I like marbs myself. Yes I said every word of that in the post you quoted and I'm sorry that you feel it was mean, however I disagree, and after thinking about it and reading it several times.......I stand by it. It's like this.........WW was all over the place in that thread about many subjects which had absolutely nothing to do with my OP. She was accusing me and others of a mob mentality and hell if I had of wanted to I could have got highly insulted by what she said to me several times, but I didn't. If you think what I said was mean.......that's your opinion and obviously I can't change it.

 

[Pinababy69]

THAT'S being mean? OMG...seriously?

Not a mean word in there IMO. It's not personal, never was. Personal is when you outright call someone an idiot, asshole, bitch, whatever term you prefer...that's personal.

You know what? People need to grow a thicker skin, if that is considered being mean. This is a gambling forum...supposed to be adults on here. God, I speak harsher than that when I'm out at the grocery store and someone pisses me off.

I think it was JHV (another banned poster) who mentioned that it was not his fault that there were "delicate" people in the world. I think that's one statement of his I DO agree with. Not that anyone should go out of their way to be mean to anyone, for NO REASON. But I don't see anything in that above post that constitutes being mean, or nasty, in any way.

 

[johnsteed]

***



I always thought that people who acted like "grown ups" didn't have to resort to foul language, and that people who lacked humility and accountability were the ones who felt it was their right to be rude because they could get away with it.




Steed


***

 

[jod5413]

***



I always thought that people who acted like "grown ups" didn't resort to foul language, and that people who lack humility and accountability were the ones who felt it was their right to be rude because they could get away with it.




Steed


***

WTH, Mr. Steed.

I don't think cussing is immature. If it was, I have never, ever met a grown up, nope, not one. I do feel it is not appropriate to cuss around folks who might be offended. Here, the cussing ebbs and flows, depending on topics being discussed.

I have been rude and sometimes it takes being rude to get through to someone. But, I also got spanked a couple of times for it. That's the price (accountability) I am willing to pay to get my point made.

Some people just don't learn, no matter how hard someone tries to get through to them. I think that is called head up one's butt, Yanno?

Jod

 

[johnsteed]

***


I stand by what I said.




Steed


***

 

[chuchu59]

THAT'S being mean? OMG...seriously?

Not a mean word in there IMO. It's not personal, never was. Personal is when you outright call someone an idiot, asshole, bitch, whatever term you prefer...that's personal.

You know what? People need to grow a thicker skin, if that is considered being mean. This is a gambling forum...supposed to be adults on here. God, I speak harsher than that when I'm out at the grocery store and someone pisses me off.

I think it was JHV (another banned poster) who mentioned that it was not his fault that there were "delicate" people in the world. I think that's one statement of his I DO agree with. Not that anyone should go out of their way to be mean to anyone, for NO REASON. But I don't see anything in that above post that constitutes being mean, or nasty, in any way.

While I wouldnt take the post as being mean myself it could come across as being harsh to some. There is no strict standard. Different people take the same thing differently. It's more a matter of how one feels. Even grown-ups may not necessarily have thick skin as we are mostly emotional in nature.

Hopefully, we can all pause a bit and try to word our posts more carefully before we press the submit button. This is especially so when the threads are of a sensitive nature.

 

[NASHVEGAS]

Hopefully, we can all pause a bit and try to word our posts more carefully before we press the submit button.

Funny you would mention that, I was just reading some of the old Pissed Off Club postings, nasty but good stuff!! FML

 

[RobWin]

?gninniw ydobyna...thginot gniod enoyreve s'woh ,seimoH oY
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[WagerWitch]

OK - let me try to explain this.

Because it was all _ UNDER THE RADAR - and had a lot to do with TIMING and Placement.

You want to play games -fine - game on - but you are the ONLY player... I'm not playing.

I'm telling you - YOU HURT MY FEELINGS with the way you went about things.

I don't care if you don't like me - but you don't have to play those types of games with me as I do NOT deserve them.

All of those involved put on a "HOLIER THAN THOU" - attitude - and you guys know exactly what you are doing... Unless - of course - you really don't know and you think it is acceptable behavior.

I'm sorry - I'm NOT the only person who saw what transpired and took it the way I did.

The only problem is that your back is so far hackled - that you're BLAMING ME FOR ME saying MY feelings were hurt... As if it is MY problem.

When instead - the polite thing to do would have been to stop... take stock and instead of pointing out MY faults (ie posting long winded posts - must be crazy to see the "things" I felt in those postings, etc.) maybe try to figure out HOW I could have possibly come to the conclusion that you were indeed singling me out and stepping on my toes.

And instead of pointing out ME --- why didn't you just say - Oh - hey - sorry - didn't mean to upset you.

Oh... see... cause that's not what someone who ACTUALLY MEANT to do what was done does.

Nope - instead they get defensive and call the other person crazy or point out their faults... Cause hey...

If you see someone else's faults - there is NO WAY that other people could POSSIBLY see yours.

I see... some kind of strange reverse psychology...

Yeah - well - sorry - I still stand by the fact that I've been here long enough to have been POLITELY talked to...

AND you guys really have run people off - whether you like it or not....

 

[maxd]

I always thought that people who acted like "grown ups" didn't have to resort to foul language ....

Just a personal opinion here, not a professional statement, but AFAIC, cussing is a fine and healthy part of our shared English language -- with a very colourful history I hasten to add -- and shouldn't be ignored because some folks of the doily set, or the preachy set, think they know what is best.

On the other hand the cussers among us, myself included, need to respect the facts that (a) not everyone likes to hear what we say when we're on a blue streak and (b) it is WAY too easy to take such things our of context online.

Proper cussing is basically a performance art: it's all about pacing, inflection, body language, and of course facial expression and delivery. All of this is lost online and, sorry to say, pretty much makes good cussing a big FAIL when you're on the World Wide Interweb tubes-machine. If you've doing live web or video maybe things are different but we ain't so let's move along.

So, IMHO, that's why cussing is best left out of one's public web activity, not because folks who can't or won't cuss are superior human beings or any such rot. It takes a lot more than 'clean' language to make a human being a decent creature to be around.