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lojo

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I have been assured, personally, that there is a fair slot online.
Fair by my standards.

This has not been proven, but it has been stated.

I would migrate at least 19% of my play here if I were you.

In fact I would migrate several.

3Dice rocks!!!
 

lojo

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Show me A fair slot.

PT
GV
Crypto
rtg
mg, ETC.

gawdammit. prove it.

Rival?
 

me_and_ed

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Show me A fair slot.

PT
GV
Crypto
rtg
mg, ETC.

gawdammit. prove it.

Rival?


WHATEVER, maybe post it a few more times!!!!3 dice is no different than all the rest, I guess affiliate posts are now your schtick!!
 

lojo

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WHATEVER, maybe post it a few more times!!!!3 dice is no different than all the rest, I guess affiliate posts are now your schtick!!

Umm, back off? That felt like a personal attack. Straight up, no one else yet has stated this one simple element of a fair game. I have challenged several reps and managers, publicly and privately.

Don't shout from the peanut gallery, I respect you and would like to continue to.
 

me_and_ed

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Umm, back off? That felt like a personal attack. Straight up, no one else yet has stated this one simple element of a fair game. I have challenged several reps and managers, publicly and privately.

Don't shout from the peanut gallery, I respect you and would like to continue to.[/QUOT

Peanut gallery??? I am not disrespecting you, look at the amount of times you have posted this, it is worse than spam, 3Dice is no screaming hell, poor software, no proof of payouts, no regulation, I have not seen anywhere 3rd party proof of percentages, I have confronted them with this, their answer, its a piece of the puzzle not yet figured out, it may be a cliche but dont believe everything you have read, especially to put your integregity on the line for unfounded accusations. I have been playing online since 96 (when casino on net was good, as well as Inter) I have seen a shitload of doall endall providers come out of the woodwork, the ones that have endured the test of time, Micro, Crypto,and Wagerworks has also been great but no longer accepts Canadians, so no disrespect but take a step back.
 

lojo

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This time I'm taking off, with or without cloaking, will be an eye opener for me. I have stated at least two very controversial opinions here. My beliefs have been challenged and I respect that, I'm willing to learn. But potshots aren't in my way of communicating (intuition aside, kreome)
;0

I would like to come back in a couple of weeks and see that the questions I've raised have been totally fleshed out here. I will puke and no longer participate if all I see when I get back is a bunch of nitpicky bull.

Honest
 

me_and_ed

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This time I'm taking off, with or without cloaking, will be an eye opener for me. I have stated at least two very controversial opinions here. My beliefs have been challenged and I respect that, I'm willing to learn. But potshots aren't in my way of communicating (intuition aside, kreome)
;0

I would like to come back in a couple of weeks and see that the questions I've raised have been totally fleshed out here. I will puke and no longer participate if all I see when I get back is a bunch of nitpicky bull.

Honest


Thats your call, I have stated fact, most long standing members here will concur that what I stated earlier is true, as I said no disrespect, however if you think the player has any sort of advantage your dead wrong, some casino managers will tell you what you want to hear, however, the long standing ones are the ones I stated in my earlier post (sure some really good ones have bitten the dust for various reasons or another), the reason I am posting the argument is more for an eye opener for your protection than anything else, sorry if you felt intruded but I stand for what I post based on history and a long standing knowledge.
 

lojo

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Umm, back off? That felt like a personal attack. Straight up, no one else yet has stated this one simple element of a fair game. I have challenged several reps and managers, publicly and privately.

Don't shout from the peanut gallery, I respect you and would like to continue to.[/QUOT

Peanut gallery??? I am not disrespecting you, look at the amount of times you have posted this, it is worse than spam, 3Dice is no screaming hell, poor software, no proof of payouts, no regulation, I have not seen anywhere 3rd party proof of percentages, I have confronted them with this, their answer, its a piece of the puzzle not yet figured out, it may be a cliche but dont believe everything you have read, especially to put your integregity on the line for unfounded accusations. I have been playing online since 96 (when casino on net was good, as well as Inter) I have seen a shitload of doall endall providers come out of the woodwork, the ones that have endured the test of time, Micro, Crypto,and Wagerworks has also been great but no longer accepts Canadians, so no disrespect but take a step back.

I hear you and respect you, but I'm not taking a step back. Treat me with respect and you will have it returned 10 fold.

I really am out of here for a while.

So far 3Dice is the only answer to my very simple question of fairness. Umm, what other industry on this planet would the principles not answer such a simple question. My inquiry goes beyond this forum, I have had NO satisfaction anywhere else. I crap you not, I'm now saving my funds for a trip to Brussels, where a fair game is a fair game. Eff nevada and anywhere else that can change a paytable based on size of coin bet. That is what this is about. Sorry if I pissed you off.
 

me_and_ed

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I hear you and respect you, but I'm not taking a step back. Treat me with respect and you will have it returned 10 fold.

I really am out of here for a while.

So far 3Dice is the only answer to my very simple question of fairness. Umm, what other industry on this planet would the principles not answer such a simple question. My inquiry goes beyond this forum, I have had NO satisfaction anywhere else. I crap you not, I'm now saving my funds for a trip to Brussels, where a fair game is a fair game. Eff nevada and anywhere else that can change a paytable based on size of coin bet. That is what this is about. Sorry if I pissed you off.


I m not pissed at all, these days honor and honesty is thrown out the window when it comes to money, WITH THE EXCEPTION OF A FEW, the odds are in no gamblers favour, just remeber that wherever your travels take you, and I hope you are lucky to hit early and often!!
 

lojo

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Brussels? now you've raised my curiosity. why Brussels? i thought they were only famous for their sprouts?


I guess I'm a cabbage patch kid:D

3Dice is part of a land based casino in Belgium, where I've been assured that a penny is the same as a dollar on a slot. That's how I wanna play, no other way.

It's supposed to be fun, remember?
 

me_and_ed

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I guess I'm a cabbage patch kid:D

3Dice is part of a land based casino in Belgium, where I've been assured that a penny is the same as a dollar on a slot. That's how I wanna play, no other way.

It's supposed to be fun, remember?

It used to be lots of fun, until it became habit, seriously I hope thats the truth, if 3Dice's competition play is any indication I choose to deposit and play at some unfair casino's!! My posts are done on this, good luck and if you hit the big one I am always through the U.S so beers on you!!
 

Da_Gambla

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So far 3Dice is the only answer to my very simple question of fairness. Umm, what other industry on this planet would the principles not answer such a simple question.

At the risk of throwing myself in front of a flame thrower...

The first I heard you demand 'an answer' was less than 24 hrs ago. Glad the Dice Man was kind enough to respond, but any others that might be in the mood to respond might take their time doing so. I would hazard a guess that a question like this might be better taken to the major software providers by a 3rd party source : cough : Bryan : cough :

As I stated in an earlier thread where Recruit wondered whether or not reps would be willing to openly discuss gaming issues on a Forum like this, I repeat, NOT LIKELY when temperatures are this high.

Lastly, I will refer to another post from an ex-casino employee:

Just to confirm what Simmo! has mentioned above. Microgaming and only Microgaming can set the payout odds on the slots games at all of their licensees. The individual casino has no access or ability to do this.

This was certainly the case when I was working for Ladbrokes in Gibraltar for 5 years from 2000 - 2005, and is still the case now.

In addition all MGS Casinos are subject to independent audits each and every month by an outside auditor ( PWC )

and:

As Ed Ware from 32Red has once said before... and I believe it is true! MG software does not make any distinctions or alterations in its outcome depending on the bet size, nor does it check to see if you're playing for .1 cent/spin or $10,000.00/spin. The outcome is the same! .... and I do not believe that individual casinos can vary the odds as far as MG is concerned.

They physically cannot. Even if they wanted to.

You have been involved in that thread, so I know you read this... It seems to be fairly certain that MG does not practice this. I'd consider that as much an answer as the Dice Man provided.

- Keith
 

lojo

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So I'm impatient, I want what I want and i want it now :D

It's not going to happen. The question won't be answered. Former employees will not cut the mustard with me. Maybe to some this is not a big deal as long as they are happy with x% EV, I'm not okay with that. It is a basic premise of a fair game to me. (is my strategy showing) So I've simply been lucky on MG machines (two four figure wins off less than a dollar) High four figures on bigger bets.

I'm tired and I digress. But like I said in some other thread (thread whore)... something, whatever, time for my holiday.

Best to ya K:thumbsup:
 

jetset

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Originally Posted by tennis_balls
Brussels? now you've raised my curiosity. why Brussels? i thought they were only famous for their sprouts?


LOL - and famous, too for pomme frites (French fries) which they claim were invented in Belgium.
 

Da_Gambla

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Former employees will not cut the mustard with me.

I don't know about that Lo.. I might find a 'former' employee's experience more credible than a casino rep. Who has the ability to gain from lying? If a former employee is satisfied that their former boss and industry are straight shooters, then I'm probably listening... = )

I do not for a second think that this issue is 'nothing'. I'll be watching quite closely as this issue unfolds. May take awhile, but I'm there. Best for your holiday!

- Keith
 

winbig

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So I'm impatient, I want what I want and i want it now :D

It's not going to happen. The question won't be answered. Former employees will not cut the mustard with me. Maybe to some this is not a big deal as long as they are happy with x% EV, I'm not okay with that. It is a basic premise of a fair game to me. (is my strategy showing) So I've simply been lucky on MG machines (two four figure wins off less than a dollar) High four figures on bigger bets.

I'm tired and I digress. But like I said in some other thread (thread whore)... something, whatever, time for my holiday.

Best to ya K:thumbsup:


So, you won't even take the word of Ed Ware?
 

Itoldyouso

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I have been playing online since 96 (when casino on net was good, as well as Inter) I have seen a shitload of doall endall providers come out of the woodwork, the ones that have endured the test of time, Micro, Crypto,and Wagerworks has also been great but no longer accepts Canadians, so no disrespect but take a step back.

^^^^ ME TOO!
 

Itoldyouso

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Originally Posted by Webzcas View Post
Just to confirm what Simmo! has mentioned above. Microgaming and only Microgaming can set the payout odds on the slots games at all of their licensees. The individual casino has no access or ability to do this.

This was certainly the case when I was working for Ladbrokes in Gibraltar for 5 years from 2000 - 2005, and is still the case now.

In addition all MGS Casinos are subject to independent audits each and every month by an outside auditor ( PWC

^^^^ This maybe true...but couldn't the casino owner just ask microgaming to set their payout percentages for them?
 

Da_Gambla

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^^^^ This maybe true...but couldn't the casino owner just ask microgaming to set their payout percentages for them?

Moot point. Whether or not they could request a payout change, MG would ultimately have to approve such a request. Because they have everything to gain from protecting the integrity of the software on behalf of themselves and all of their clients, they would never approve something for an individual casino that fell out of bounds. Did you miss the other part quoted in my response?

MG software does not make any distinctions or alterations in its outcome depending on the bet size, nor does it check to see if you're playing for .1 cent/spin or $10,000.00/spin. The outcome is the same!

I put those quotes together to illustrate the bigger picture. If this is accurate information, MG does not do what lojo fears, and all MG clients cannot physically change this.

Best,
- Keith
 

Itoldyouso

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Moot point. Whether or not they could request a payout change, MG would ultimately have to approve such a request. Because they have everything to gain from protecting the integrity of the software on behalf of themselves and all of their clients, they would never approve something for an individual casino that fell out of bounds.

Best,
- Keith

I understand your point. But take for example. Grand Casino before Katrina hit Southern Mississippi had 2 casinos in the area. 1 in Biloxi and the other one in Gulfport. Though they was part of the same company. The slots pay out in Biloxi was set something like 98.7 % and the one in Gulfport was like 97.4%. So why can't microgaming allow certain casinos to set their own payout along the lines of these percentage, which would still be somewhat a good return?
 
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