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Question Party City casino a joke.......

Discussion in 'Online Casinos' started by IdRathaBaHorse, Mar 30, 2014.

    Mar 30, 2014
  1. IdRathaBaHorse

    IdRathaBaHorse Banned User - disrepecting the administration

    Occupation:
    Retired (back injury)
    Location:
    Orlando
    Just general feedback as I noticed on the site they were possibly being reconsidered from their former status as a rip-off joint.

    Close friend got stiffed there, despite numerous efforts she got no response.

    Since I use to resolve gaming issues between books/players (sports betting) she asked me to give it a try.......

    Not even enough courtesy to reply to me either.

    I think their silence speaks volumes.

    Conclusion - stay clear.

    My friend bless her heart is a -EV player (sucker), for a casino to stiff her out of a measly 300 bucks something has to be wrong.

    Is this par for the course?

    She played there after hearing they were trying to change their reputation.

    What's the old saying about a tiger and his stripes???

    PS - great site by the way. Don't post much but read it and check the status of casinos you guys rate, good stuff.
     
  2. Mar 30, 2014
  3. Tirilej

    Tirilej Still a Lady CAG MM

    Occupation:
    Breathing
    Location:
    Sweden
  4. Mar 30, 2014
  5. Nifty29

    Nifty29 Dormant account

    Occupation:
    PAID CASINO SHILL
    Location:
    Turn right, then right. then right again
    So how was your friend "stiffed"??

    It's a little unfair to say such things without providing facts. Subjective assessments don't really help much.
     
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  6. Apr 1, 2014
  7. IdRathaBaHorse

    IdRathaBaHorse Banned User - disrepecting the administration

    Occupation:
    Retired (back injury)
    Location:
    Orlando

    Think I mentioned she has contacted them numerous times, then when she had no luck I gave it a try myself.

    I heard nothing back either.

    Pretty sure she also filled out a couple forms on this site but I'll check with her on that before I state it as fact.

    Either way been MORE than fair with this outfit.......

    As an experienced gambler the biggest warning sign to me is they're stiffing one of the biggest suckers around.

    Kind of like a sportsbook that bans a whale because he hits his first 3 or 4 bets, then he moves on and loses a fortune.

    Their bad judgement alarms me almost as much as the potential of the roll being short.

    Been more than fair, she's to the point of writing it off, just want to let others now what she/we experienced with this outfit.

    That said thanks for the link, we'll give that a try.
     
  8. Apr 1, 2014
  9. IdRathaBaHorse

    IdRathaBaHorse Banned User - disrepecting the administration

    Occupation:
    Retired (back injury)
    Location:
    Orlando

    She is owed and they will not pay.

    Is stiffed a new word around here?

    She was up around $2500, they sent her a note saying that only $300 ($305.02 to be exact) was withdrawable and would be sent.

    She said fine, sounded about right yet since then they have not followed through.......

    That was 1/23 when they sent the memo, since then nothing.

    Trust me, she and I know much more about this situation than you do.

    I've handled probably 100 book/player disputes in the past, I know a problem when I see it.
     
  10. Apr 1, 2014
  11. Nifty29

    Nifty29 Dormant account

    Occupation:
    PAID CASINO SHILL
    Location:
    Turn right, then right. then right again
    Well derrr.....of course you know more about it than I do. What an odd thing to say.

    You'll excuse me that I insist on some actual facts as opposed to the word of a new member that I don't know from squat.

    Perhaps if you explained what happened in some kind of detail we all might support this "friend" of yours....or not, as the case may be.

    "Stiffed" isn't a new word. It's just often used by complainants that turn out to be fraudsters etc, and almost always those that provide very little detail in order to make their case look legit. I'm not saying this is the case here. Just wanted you to know where I'm coming from and why a whole lot of people aren't saying "Oh the bastards....how dare they stiff your innocent friend. Burn them at the stake!!".
     
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  12. Apr 1, 2014
  13. lockinlove

    lockinlove Staring into the sun PABaccred

    Occupation:
    I work :D
    Location:
    Canada
    Being a smart mouth will get you no where.

    He wanted more details not just "been stiffed".

    Just because you feel you know more than everyone else, means absolutely nothing. Trust and respect has to be earned. Anyone can ride in here on their unicorn and say they are the President of the United States. It doesnt make it true.

    Details and facts.

    The rest can be left at the door imo.
     
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  14. Apr 1, 2014
  15. chuchu59

    chuchu59 gambling addict CAG PABnonaccred

    Occupation:
    EXECUTIVE
    Location:
    SOMEWHERE IN ASIA
    Maybe you do know more about the situation but being relatively new why should we simply take your word for it? Come off the wordplay, you only mentioned 'stiffed' without elaboration. How in the world would we know how your friend was 'stiffed'. You could be saying 'ripped off' and we will never know the difference. Meanwhile, you haven't mentioned whether your friend had requested a withdrawal so if that had not been done then that's it. Money is still with the casino. $2500 means nothing if you do not request a cashout.
     
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  16. Apr 2, 2014
  17. TawniVirtualAce

    TawniVirtualAce I-Gaming Industry Representative

    Occupation:
    Casino Rep
    Location:
    Worldwide
    I've no idea if the poster is writing on behalf of the 'player' or IS the 'player', but if indeed this person was looking into this for a 'friend' and is so experienced in the industry as claiming, the OP would realize that multiple free chips in a row will always exclude the player from having a successful withdrawal. Even if that withdrawal is a 'measly 300 bucks'.

    In this player's case, here's the history:

    12-16-2012 COUPON DEC12APP $ 50 lost
    01-01-2013 COUPON HAPPY2013 $ 100 lost
    01-17-2013 COUPON DAWG50 $ 50 lost
    01-22-2013 COUPON PARTY80 $ 80 lost
    02-24-2013 COUPON 50FUNCASH $ 50 lost
    01-02-2014 COUPON THANKYOUJAN $ 50 lost
    01-23-2014 COUPON BIGGAME $ 100 WON

    This player has NEVER made a real money deposit.

    I'm glad to see Meister members assessing this one fairly and they hit the nail on the head. This complaint was unfair and unwarranted.
     
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  18. Apr 2, 2014
  19. maphesto

    maphesto Ueber Meister CAG MM webmeister

    Location:
    Sweden
    Every new member that signs up here and makes false accusations against a casino will infact increase the casino's reputation. When we read about players like this, time after time, we will automatically almost think that all players that complains are douchebags and the casino is right.

    A valuable complaint is made by using the correct ways to go, otherwise it's just a waste of time and energy for the ones who read the garbage. :mad:

    @Iratherbeatadeadhorse:

    What were you thinking? :confused: Make a fool of yourself for a "measly" 300$?
     
  20. Apr 2, 2014
  21. cheetahwind

    cheetahwind Wind Blade Maker MM

    Occupation:
    Wind Blade Maker
    Location:
    Iowa
    Really honestly, the whole real problem I'm seeing about this whole casino is the lot of free chips available. Then how easily redeemable they are.
    People think that even though they've redeemed several fee chips in a row. That there entitled to be paid.
    I really wish RTG had something in there cashier system, where a casino could say. You get X amount of free chips per deposit. After that deny, deny, deny until another real money deposit is made.
    Bet On Soft has this feature, and I'm sure several other software companies have it. Why not RTG? I know you can set up coupon codes to be only redeemable in a certain order. Surely it isn't hard to write a little bit of code to prevent free chip abuse.
    On either note, this isn't the only casino I've seen this happen with on the RTG side. Just seems to hit Virtual harder because they offer multiple freebies every month.
     
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  22. Apr 2, 2014
  23. maphesto

    maphesto Ueber Meister CAG MM webmeister

    Location:
    Sweden
    I am not happy about all those traps that are setup by certain casinos. But if the player hade made a deposit and then forgot some of the redeemed coupons, it's another case. This time the player had to know about all those redeemed coupons.
     
  24. Apr 2, 2014
  25. cheetahwind

    cheetahwind Wind Blade Maker MM

    Occupation:
    Wind Blade Maker
    Location:
    Iowa
    Well of course, to the general public who doesn't know how to read the terms and conditions, or to the fraudsters. It makes it easy to take these offers. Then bitch and whine because they got their cash out denied based on terms and conditions there weren't followed or purposely thought they could get bent to there our will. Then of course get denied because they couldn't be bothered to read the T & C's or thought enough complaining in public would get the casino pay out on multiple freebies.
    I'm really not defending the casino nor the player. I was just stating an obvious fact that I think could easily solve this whole dilemma from the beginning. Something I think that would fend of 90% of this bad PR Virtual seems to get anyways. Is over how easy it is to abuse there free chips.
     
  26. Apr 2, 2014
  27. KasinoKing

    KasinoKing WebMeister & Slotaholic.. CAG MM PABnonaccred webmeister

    Occupation:
    House-Husband and Casino Advisor
    Location:
    Bexhill on sea, England
    I disagree - the complaint is completely fair and warranted.

    If players are not allowed to cash-out after several free-chips in a row - WHY DO YOU LET THE PLAYERS CLAIM THEM?
    Get a dictionary and look up the word "Entrapment".
    Disgusting behaviour IMO. :(

    KK
     
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  28. Apr 2, 2014
  29. Nifty29

    Nifty29 Dormant account

    Occupation:
    PAID CASINO SHILL
    Location:
    Turn right, then right. then right again
    In the interests of fairness, AFAIK there is no functionality available in the RTG backend to deny coupons based on previous coupon history, unless it is the same unique coupon. I'm happy to be corrected, but I've not seen nor heard about it if it exists.

    It would be great if it DID exist, as it would certainly solve a lot of issues, However, it isn't something one particular operator could implement.

    Also, in the same objective sense, there are quite a few casinos that do not allow sequential free chips, and they certainly aren't all rogues. The issue appears to be worse at Virtual/Ace because there are so many coupons all over the net.

    I'm not defending Virtual/Ace. I'm just trying to be even-handed here.

    FWIW, as a general comment, it is not "entrapment" if the terms are stated on the website. Half the problem is that bonus whores post these codes everywhere without any of the terms, and silly people go ahead and claim them without finding out what those terms are. No such thing as a free lunch!
     
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  30. Apr 2, 2014
  31. maphesto

    maphesto Ueber Meister CAG MM webmeister

    Location:
    Sweden
    You often mention how important it is to read T&C:s. I think that the fact that this is about a casino in the Virtual group (and infact the infamous former Betroyal casino) maybe can explain why you even can think that the complaint is completetely fair.

    It's very easy to find the rule about "two free coupons in a row" at Party City.



    Every friday iNetBet gives out free spins and have free tournaments. If you haven't made a deposit in the last 60 days you aren't allowed to win money from it. You can claim the free spins, you can play the tournament. They deny winnings in the same manner that Party City do.

    iNetBet are accredited here AND you promote them.

    I think that traps are discusting, I really do hate traps and win-win situations for the casino. Still, who in their right mind would read T&C:s and then think that they really could redeem 6 free chip coupons in a row at Party City?
     
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  32. Apr 2, 2014
  33. maphesto

    maphesto Ueber Meister CAG MM webmeister

    Location:
    Sweden
    A new thing at RTG is (I think it work) a way to deny or approve coupons based on area/country. I think I've seen Sloto/DN have that, a coupon only redeemable for the US market. If that is possible, you would think that two in a row is possible as well.
     
  34. Apr 2, 2014
  35. chuchu59

    chuchu59 gambling addict CAG PABnonaccred

    Occupation:
    EXECUTIVE
    Location:
    SOMEWHERE IN ASIA
    Both parties are at fault here. Party should not have allowed the use of so many free chips. Obviously the codes must have been obtained from various sources. Once redeemable a player expects to be paid when he wins. In this case, however, the player had no intention of depositing and played until he won through redeeming 6 different free chips. This also explains why the OP claims his friend was 'stiffed' without divulging details. I have no qualms about the player in question not being paid but the casino needs to explore ways to prevent players from redeeming multiple free chips in succession. The problem here could be that they have issued too many no-deposit codes and in usual Virtual-style only mean business when the player cashes out. I notice that the first coupon includes the letters APP which might have been an appreciation chip that the casino sends to depositing players. Correct me if I am wrong Tawni.
     
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  36. Apr 2, 2014
  37. maphesto

    maphesto Ueber Meister CAG MM webmeister

    Location:
    Sweden
    Interesting! When you mention that I also see that the "winning" coupon is a free chip for 100$! Isn't it so, that all free chips at this casino group has a max cashout of double the amount of the chip? :confused:

    How can it then be 300$ that OP speaks about? :confused:

    Is really this the account OP is talking about?
     
  38. Apr 2, 2014
  39. IdRathaBaHorse

    IdRathaBaHorse Banned User - disrepecting the administration

    Occupation:
    Retired (back injury)
    Location:
    Orlando

    (Copied from the other thread)

    Well at least it's a response, even still you can't resist some silly sarcasm in your post.

    For one I never claimed to be experienced in online casinos, in fact I said just the opposite......

    Handled a lot of mediation for sport book bettors but know next to nothing about online casinos, if I did she wouldn't have been playing with you people in the first place.

    About the deposits I will let her take this up, she says she has definitely made deposits there in the past.

    I tend to believe her.

    She plays out her "allowance" of real money on a somewhat monthly basis and then admits she takes all freerolls and so on she can get.

    But like I said I'm not going to state it as fact either way. When she returns home (approx 4 hours from now) I will let her address this.

    Who would we send the information to, prefer it not be you, clearly not only someone who speaks condescendingly to people, you don't read very well either.

    Lastly, while not familiar with the online casino world I know this about other outfits in the gaming world.....

    They check all this out before they promise a payment.

    Sending her memos, telling her on the phone, deducting the amount she was eligible for, giving her trace ID's and so on promising over and over to deliver an adjusted amount, only to later retract all of it speaks of incompetence.

    In my experience when an outfit gets these things wrong, they usually get the rest of it wrong too.

    Sounds to me like you searched until you finally found an excuse not to pay her.

    If not banned I will allow her to address this no deposit stuff when she gets home.

    And if you want to speak to both of us then you are most welcome, throwing out inferences about this being different people is just another way for you to deflect off the incompetent manner in which you handled this.

    Just my opinion of course.
     

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