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[jetset]

QUOTE: If this is the case, there's no reason for them to remain 'anonymous', unless in fact they were trying to bypass the NDA that was signed.UNQUOTE


....and if true that would indicate a level of dishonesty too, imo.

The danger of withholding information without good reason when you are entering a very public market is that it tends to encourage speculation. In this case it could raise questions like those we see above, or about the development and rights to the software itself, as another example.

Trying to pull the wool over the eyes of experienced players and industry people can sometimes result in a resounding backfire....

 

[gfkostas]

Just to reflect something to the points above regarding experience

Having little experience in running a casino doesn't necessarly means that you are likely to mess everything up. At the beggining everyone! is inexperienced and the so called 'experience' sometimes comes with the years and sometimes you never get expereinced and you are always stuck in one black hole wondering why everything goes wrong. Similary an inexperienced employee isn't necessarly worse and shouldn't be picked because of an experienced one on the line. In my opinion good employees aren't trained they are found. With this train of thought I haven't got much of a problem with paradise8 inexperience nor its mean so much for me to be inexperienced since its a vital stage which everyone goes through and we oughta be easy with them. Nonetheless I do have a problem with their reservations regarding the non revealing information. By doing so they only dig a hole for themselves(business). I hope they realize that without honesty and commitment to serve the people you ain't going anywhere in the casino business.

 

[tennis_balls]

The danger of withholding information without good reason when you are entering a very public market is that it tends to encourage speculation.

Trying to pull the wool over the eyes of experienced players and industry people can sometimes result in a resounding backfire....

I have no knowledge of this company other than what I've read in this forum. I will say that while jetset's research is impressive, his accusatory tone towards this management lacks professionalism.

There could be legitimate reasons for certain employees wishing to remain anonymous. They may have been forced to sign non-compete clauses with prior employers. Or they could be US citizens wishing to stay off the radar of the silly US government and it's silly war on internet gambling.

I don't know jack about paradise8. Maybe they'll turn out to be a model casino, maybe they'll turn out below average or worse. It just make sense to me to treat them like criminal suspects when no crime has yet to be alleged. Cocoarob and Justin Kelly seem willing to engage in the dialogue here on this forum so why would you want to drive them away with this lynch mob mentality?

The best watchdog doesn't bite until the intruder is over the fence.

rant over.....rip away

 

[soflat]

I have no knowledge of this company other than what I've read in this forum. I will say that while jetset's research is impressive, his accusatory tone towards this management lacks professionalism.

There could be legitimate reasons for certain employees wishing to remain anonymous. They may have been forced to sign non-compete clauses with prior employers. Or they could be US citizens wishing to stay off the radar of the silly US government and it's silly war on internet gambling.

I don't think it lacks professionalism. Quite the opposite.

There COULD be legitimate reasons for withholding info.

On the other hand there could be illegitmate reasons.

We don't know what kind of background these mystery men and women have in the industry.

This is a watchdog site, and it wouldn't work if folks started accepting every new casino just because they were nice enough to answer SOME questions and make quick payouts to the first wave of players.

 

[JohnGalt]

There could be legitimate reasons for certain employees wishing to remain anonymous. They may have been forced to sign non-compete clauses with prior employers.

How is that a legitimate reason?

 

[winbig]

There could be legitimate reasons for certain employees wishing to remain anonymous. They may have been forced to sign non-compete clauses with prior employers. Or they could be US citizens wishing to stay off the radar of the silly US government and it's silly war on internet gambling.

If the above is true, that just gives more reasons for them *not* to be trusted. I seriously doubt either are true, but again, the above can't be "legitimate reasons"

Both scenarios show lack of ethics, not professionalism.


And you're right.. Maybe this group will turn out to be a(nother) model for the way online casinos should be. Still too early to tell, but we shall see.

 

[tennis_balls]

How is that a legitimate reason?

the non-compete thing is a giant can of worms. i'm probably biased because I live in California where almost all non-compete clauses are illegal. despite contempt for such law by giant employers in California, somehow they remain open for business.

 

[JohnGalt]

the non-compete thing is a giant can of worms. i'm probably biased because I live in California where almost all non-compete clauses are illegal. despite contempt for such law by giant employers in California, somehow they remain open for business.

They can make you sign anything they want, but that doesn't mean it will hold up in court. If the agreement is illegal, it is non-binding and you can do as you please... you just had better be right (though the worst they can generally do is prevent you from taking your new job).

That's the way it is in the U.S., anyway.

 

[Pinababy69]

Everything that's been posted here by most of us is nothing more than speculation, could be this reason, could be that reason. Bottom line is that I agree with Jetset on this one. This big cloak of secrecy is an open invitation to speculation. Some will want to imagine the worst, some will jump in full steam ahead (I'm speaking of affiliates moreso here) without knowing all the facts. I have no clue as to whether this casino is good or bad. If they are still around in six months to a year's time, have a good track record of paying people in a timely manner (and by this I mean more than a couple hundred bucks at a time), deal with any and all issues that may arise in a professional manner and especially if they stay involved with this forum...then I would certainly be willing to give them a chance, both as a player and as an affiliate. Of course, as an affiliate I would have missed that ground floor opportunity of snagging all those newbie players, but at least I'll have a clear conscience that I'm sending people to a reputable place, with some sort of proven track record. Until then, it's a wait and see for me.

 

[jetset]

You're pretty quick with offensive accusations yourself, there tennis_balls...but this comment in your post says it all for me, and underlines the dangers of speculation:

QUOTE: I don't know jack about paradise8. Maybe they'll turn out to be a model casino, maybe they'll turn out below average or worse.UNQUOTE

That increases the risk factor, which experienced gamblers will often try to minimise by knowing a little more about the venues they are thinking about using.

I've been in this industry long enough to have seen, mediated and experienced some pretty scraggy behaviour, especially from anonymous and often underfunded newcomers.

Gambling online is one of those pursuits where players can be severely prejudiced in terms of monetary loss and the stress and anxiety of trying to recover money if a casino operator turns out to be bad news. Waiting for the operator to jump over the fence (to use your analogy) leaves things mighty late for players who have already been bitten, and that's why a few probing questions are not out of line and merit frank answers.

You seem to have ignored the fact that there are anomalies here that need explaining, and the last few queries have been ignored so far by these folks.

Soflat - you're on the mark here: "This is a watchdog site, and it wouldn't work if folks started accepting every new casino just because they were nice enough to answer SOME questions and make quick payouts to the first wave of players."

 

[Simmo!]

Cocoarob and Justin Kelly seem willing to engage in the dialogue here on this forum so why would you want to drive them away with this lynch mob mentality?

The best watchdog doesn't bite until the intruder is over the fence.

I agree it's good that they are responding. I think the "lynch mob mentality" comment is a bit OTT - all it is really is questioning certain aspects of the operation which I think is perfectly fair. As JetSet and others say, it's important for *some* players to know who they're dealing with.

I agree a site such as Meister should try and remain "open minded". But in instances like these, Meister acts merely as a platform for others. It's primarily here to allow us to voice our public opinions collectively. Whether that be you, me JetSet or anyone else.

This enables a public flow of information to allow players to make their own informed opinions. It's not there to act like HR4777 and tell you what you can and can't do. Merely to provide a platform for others to provide information.

The casino is actually being given a fantastic opportunity here and I am sure they realise this. This thread alone presents them with more opportunity for driving through business than any Press Release they do if they handle it right. How they react to questions and criticism, the information they provide and the opportunity presented to put punter's minds at rest through public forums is going to be a rare opportunity to show punters just how good the operation is.

Cheers

Simmo!

 

[gfkostas]

The casino is actually being given a fantastic opportunity here and I am sure they realise this. This thread alone presents them with more opportunity for driving through business than any Press Release they do if they handle it right. How they react to questions and criticism, the information they provide and the opportunity presented to put punter's minds at rest through public forums is going to be a rare opportunity to show punters just how good the operation is.

I don't think they can 'see' this opportunity though. If they can they will grab it and be clear and straight with everything which isn't the case as of yet.Generally speaking opportunities are almost everywhere but it depends whether you can see them or not. With the way they respond so far am sure the experienced players aren't impressed. They better raise their game if they ever want to join the accredited section of this site.

 

[Achenar]

Any new information

Howdy people,
Im curous anyone heard anything about these guys of late?
All i know is the software is kinds kewl but im leary on the case of betting high .Seems you jack you bet those odds seem to change.I was playing the islot as the reel turns.I was betting .05x15lines=.75per spin well i was doing ok well i thought i would try something since i havent hit in a bit on .75 it's around that time it should hit well i spun at least 20 spins at 1.50 highest pay was 1.20.But i was hitting 5.00 on.75..this was my experience.Anyone else have this issue?

 

[jetset]

"Im curous anyone heard anything about these guys of late?"

Nothing further heard from either Geisbrecht or Kelly.

 

[Slotster!]

Great post Simmo... I thought that too - how many startup casino's get such a high profile welcome, at the most high profile industry discussion board going?

They've had some great comments about the fun aspect of the software, so a
real opportunity to get off to a flying start if they play their cards right...

 

[gfkostas]

Of course they still have time to play the cards right before they get busted out but I have to say that they could have made a hell of a better start. Time us running out of them and we are watching.

 

[dominique]

QUOTE: Can you give us your source for this information, Dom? Because these guys have ignored my last probing emails on the above questions.

Frankly I don't see the logic behind this "non-disclosure" reasoning, especially going into a business where trust is so important. Let's hear more detail and clarity - that works for Rival - 400Group as well as the players and affiliates

Just some posts at CAP indicating this. There are threads at CAP examning this group somewhat also.

 

[jetset]

Progress report

I've had another email from Geisbrecht which is full of laudable assurances and compliments for the posters' opinions here but does not really take us any further forward in the transparency stakes.

I think it is unlikely that anything more will be forthcoming from either Rival or 400 Group on the questions that we asked, at least not in the immediate future (I have not had any response from Kelly regarding those anomalous email addresses he was using and the apparent contradictions these pose).

Here's the main points:

Rival has a stand at GIGSE next month, so I will certainly be paying them a visit there, as I'm sure will other industry people. We'll report back in due course on that, together with anything else that comes to light in enquiries - there's always a lot of networking and exchanges of information at this event.

I'm also hopeful that as intimated in earlier communications they will release the names of their newly recruited CEO and executive team at that point.

All he'll say about Black Chip is that it is privately funded.

Speaking only for Black Chip and Rival, he continues to deny any knowledge or connection with that CMPO.ca address Kelly was using, together with the Gaming Solutions addy. I still have an uneasy feeling about this.

They appreciate all the feedback and opinion and they monitor this thread. They appreciate that "At this stage of our launch, the skeptics have every right to question whether or not Rival is a legitimate upstart or just another
in a long list of fly by night operations that have spotted the online
gaming landscape over the past few years."

They realise that customer trust and acceptance is critical to success.

As Rival, they give an undertaking to be responsive to any hassles or disputes using their software.

Black Chip (parent to Rival) is being careful to recruit the right CEO and management team, but claim "...a certain level of confidentiality in order to
protect our ability to develop our product and recruit qualified senior
staff."

 

[soflat]

There is a brief write-up in the May issue of Casino Player magazine about This Is Vegas and the I-Slots.

 

[paul02085]

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[spearmaster]

I got the offer too - and I haven't even made my first deposit. Don't know whether I want to take them up on the offer or not...

 

[dominique]

I have played and withdrawn a while ago, but got no offer.

Then again, I don't tend to use bonuses.

Love their slots!

 

[liquidsoap]

Man this thread got big

Thanks for all the replies everyone

Ive decieded not to deposit just yet and hold out just a bit more, something seems kind of fishy here.
Would they have payed if there was no thread on this forum?
Would even half of these members even have heard of this casino if this thread was not here.
The casino got a sweet deal here, I have been taking a break from slots as of late and playing more cards, but right when I get slots fever Ill tell you how I do here...

Thanks again everyone...

 

[jetset]

I got the offer too - and I haven't even made my first deposit. Don't know whether I want to take them up on the offer or not...

What T&Cs were attached?

 

[Mousey]

What T&Cs were attached?

Well... even though I emailed them about it, I'm still not sure of all of the T&C. Required deposit, etc. I have only signed up and played for 'fun', blowing through my $2000 or whatever fun money rather quickly.

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Soooo.... maybe I'm dense, and my psychic ability is failing, but I still don't know much more than I did before I sent them an email. Did I ask the wrong question? Was I too vague?